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TACD
Oct 27, 2000

bornbytheriver posted:

Thanks very much for your thoughts. Nothing happened with the bank (Nationwide) for now anyway, it's in my head. When I was told by the estate agent that my offer has been accepted, I contacted Nationwide and they offered an appointment with a mortgage adviser to discuss mortgage. I said fine, the mortgage adviser contacted me and requested to provide some information: copy of payslip, buildings insurance (my word, I don't even health insurance, I can only dream of buildings insurance), solicitor's name, year the house was built. I think I can provide them with pretty much everything they asked for - I need to read up on buildings insurance - but then it hit me what if, after I provide them with everything they asked for, they look at the house and say we can't offer you the amount you need.
Yeah the bank will require you to have building insurance lined up because the physical building is the asset. They’ll probably also want a surveyor to look around to confirm it’s not about to collapse into rubble.

Despite my horror story above once you tick all their boxes you’ll likely be fine in that regard. And if there is a problem, other mortgage providers are available!

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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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bornbytheriver posted:

No, sir/ma'am, I initially wanted to find a place for max £250K and was given an AIP. The place that I found and made an offer for was advertised for less than £250K.

That doesn't matter to the financial institution though does it? The bank doesn't care how much you chose to spend on the thing you are looking to buy, merely that you can pay it back. Or at least that would be my read.

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

You should arrange to have that from the moment you own the bricks and mortar, even if you don't want the contents insured.

It's insurance against you having to pay the bank for the rest of your life while still having to pay rent somewhere else if something bad happens to the whole structure of the building.

I am currently staying with someone I know, we have a personal arrangement, as in there is no contract. I give them cash each month as if I were renting from them and pay for energy when the bills arrive, they takes care of everything else. I don't own anything than an old laptop, books, and clothes.

Can I just approach any insurance provider for this?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Josef bugman posted:

That doesn't matter to the financial institution though does it? The bank doesn't care how much you chose to spend on the thing you are looking to buy, merely that you can pay it back. Or at least that would be my read.

theyre lending money against an asset so they can always recover the money. If the asset isn't worth what theyre lending they wouldn't be able to do that.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

bornbytheriver posted:

Can I just approach any insurance provider for this?
All the major ones, it's one of the standard forms of insurance. Doesn't cover anything you own inside the structure, but will cover the structure itself against things like fire and collapse.

It's one where you will definitely want to go through checklists of what coverage you get, what the roof material is, when the last inspection for rot, wiring, etc. was, what the flood rating of the land is, etc.

Don't want to sound like a doomer, but if you're committing to £250k over many years for an asset it's really worth making sure you're fully covered.

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010

Guavanaut posted:

All the major ones, it's one of the standard forms of insurance. Doesn't cover anything you own inside the structure, but will cover the structure itself against things like fire and collapse.

It's one where you will definitely want to go through checklists of what coverage you get, what the roof material is, when the last inspection for rot, wiring, etc. was, what the flood rating of the land is, etc.

Don't want to sound like a doomer, but if you're committing to £250k over many years for an asset it's really worth making sure you're fully covered.

Right. I will certainly want to have insurance if the mortgage is approved. Do I need to purchase insurance for a property I don't own right now? Just for a meeting with the mortgage adviser?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

bornbytheriver posted:

Right. I will certainly want to have insurance if the mortgage is approved. Do I need to purchase insurance for a property I don't own right now? Just for a meeting with the mortgage adviser?

no mate

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Guavanaut posted:

You should arrange to have that from the moment you own the bricks and mortar, even if you don't want the contents insured.

It's insurance against you having to pay the bank for the rest of your life while still having to pay rent somewhere else if something bad happens to the whole structure of the building.

I think it's from date of EXCHANGE you need it.

This seems more and more to be the same as the completion day which alarms me when thinking about it as the whole thing can fail 1 nanosecond before exchange and you might be left homeless or in a collapsed chain.

If the mortgage co (bank or building society) offer you less than you have offered for the property, then either you go back to the seller with a revised offer or you have to find the difference from somewhere else - Dear Uncle Bart, I know we've never been close, but I need £10k sharpish. Your loving nephew Homer.

This can have a knock on effect on other aspects of the purchase but I can't think what they are right now!

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Mar 8, 2023

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I think it's from date of EXCHANGE you need it.
Yup, that's the date that you're legally bound to the property in a way that can cost you an awful lot if it (literally or metaphorically) falls apart, so once you have that date you should have a policy that begins right then, even if that's not when you're personally planning on moving in.

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010
Can I just say thank you to all of you. I really appreciate it. Please excuse my inexperience and forrinness.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Failed Imagineer posted:


The guy who wrote the article is our former Justice Minister, and a massive Zionist freak and general crooked disgraced piece of poo poo.


So a story that I have heard from multiple sources, which makes me inclined to believe it's true....

Back when Shatter was the Minister for Justice, he was not popular. And I don't mean with the electorate, but he was hated by the Garda* and the legal professions. This wouldn't normally be a bad thing, but when your portfolio is Justice, having both those groups hate you is not a good sign.

Anyway the Law Library is a large library/office where most of the Irish Bar hang out. It has an old fashioned tanoy system that probably dates back to the '50s, used purely to say that Person X is looking for Barrister Y.
Anyway, the day Shatter resigned** the Law Library (alegedly) did the almost unheard of move of announcing his resignation over the Tanoy. And (supposedly) the Bar of Ireland broke into a spontaneous cheer like when Echo Base announced that the first transport was away.

* = Well there were some Guards who liked him. Namely the then Garda Commissioner.

**= Which is it's own thing to explain. Suffice to say it was a very polticial and legal dispute that's difficult to sum up.

Lady Gaza
Nov 20, 2008

I don’t mean to be harsh but for someone who is about to buy a house for quarter of a million you don’t seem to know some of the basics. If you don’t know about buildings insurance, do you know about the need for a solicitor? Also, for your mortgage, did you go through a broker or do any market comparison, or did you just go straight to your bank?

It’s fine asking questions here but we’re just people on a forum. I’d highly recommend doing some detailed reading on the process of house buying, from what you’ve posted so far I worry you’d get blindsided by things as they happen.

There are a bunch of guides online.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/buying-a-home-timeline/

https://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-buying/the-hoa-step-by-step-guide-to-buying-a-home/

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

bornbytheriver posted:

Can I just say thank you to all of you. I really appreciate it. Please excuse my inexperience and forrinness.

Also depending where you live you might well want to fork out £30 or so for Chancel Repair insurance.
There are some old clauses where if the chancel of a local parish church needs fixing you're in for a share of that. Given the amount of money you're shelling out to buy somewhere, for £30 (well that's what I paid in 2019 and there are several churches within a mile of my flat), it's worth the peace of mind.

Read about it here - I have no ties to compare the market and I don't think I insured via them anyway! It was just a reasonable overview that came up on google!

https://www.comparethemarket.com/home-insurance/content/chancel-repair-liability/

There's other insurances you might want to consider depending on the location - eg mines & minerals insurance if there's any possibility of mining having gone on.

Other things you might want to do, join the facebook nimby/curtain twitchers page for the area you're planning to buy in. (It won't call itself that btw!) good way to find out about planning development proposals in the area that are nowhere near permission level (and not come up in legal searches) but you can bet the local greens (aka nimbys in tory town) will be on the case for anything in the wind.

(And yes, insurance can be a scam but with a large purchase, it's a judgement call).

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Mar 8, 2023

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Also depending where you live you might well want to fork out £30 or so for Chancel Repair insurance.
There are some old clauses where if the chancel of a local parish church needs fixing you're in for a share of that. Given the amount of money you're shelling out to buy somewhere, for £30 (well that's what I paid in 2019 and there are several churches within a mile of my flat), it's worth the peace of mind.

Read about it here - I have no ties to compare the market and I don't think I insured via them anyway! It was just a reasonable overview that came up on google!

https://www.comparethemarket.com/home-insurance/content/chancel-repair-liability/

My parents had this but its pretty much unenforceable these days.

Until it is I guess.

But nah I'm comfortable saying its bullshit

NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Mar 8, 2023

bornbytheriver
Apr 23, 2010

Lady Gaza posted:

I don’t mean to be harsh but for someone who is about to buy a house for quarter of a million you don’t seem to know some of the basics. If you don’t know about buildings insurance, do you know about the need for a solicitor? Also, for your mortgage, did you go through a broker or do any market comparison, or did you just go straight to your bank?

It’s fine asking questions here but we’re just people on a forum. I’d highly recommend doing some detailed reading on the process of house buying, from what you’ve posted so far I worry you’d get blindsided by things as they happen.

There are a bunch of guides online.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/mortgages/buying-a-home-timeline/

https://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-buying/the-hoa-step-by-step-guide-to-buying-a-home/

You are not harsh, it's all good. Thank you for the links, I'll have a read through. I've read a few guides before, arranged a bunch of viewings, found a cubby hole, made an offer and then emails started raining down.

I am waiting for quotes from the local RICS surveyors for my own survey and asked to confirm their waiting times. I chose a solicitor. I spoke with 5 brokers and 2 banks while I was searching/viewing, I can afford 5 year fixed rate mortgage. Of 2 banks I spoke with, HSBC - the bank I get paid to - were snooty.

bornbytheriver fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Mar 8, 2023

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

https://twitter.com/juneslater17

Your new GB News Anchor ladies and gents

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1633180138765688833?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Go on, thread, show me your best surprised faces.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV11t_qYikg

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I assumed those pledges were already shredded.

Diet Crack posted:

https://twitter.com/juneslater17

Your new GB News Anchor ladies and gents

I thought that was a Trevor Bastard affiliated satire account....

.... it's not, is it?

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

It's very much not and this person is now a regular because lol

"quick find the most outspoken xenophobic dipshit on twitter" -GBNews producer

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

fuctifino posted:

I assumed those pledges were already shredded.

I thought that was a Trevor Bastard affiliated satire account....

.... it's not, is it?

Don't think so. She has a slot on GBNews here re Hancock threatening to withhold funding for a disability centre from a fellow tory mp's constituency:
(1 minute in)
Spoilered for those who don't want GB News on their gadgets.


https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1633233686119186433?s=20



But I might be wrong, I've been taken in a couple of times by TBEU.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/immigrationbot/status/1633289284898676736

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Normal Island comments section

https://twitter.com/RNLI/status/1633085256319348736

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Expect to get sore fingers from how often you have to chase your conveyancer. I was astonished at the level of service/communication some seem to consider acceptable. It'd be fine if it was infrequent, but in that case just set expectations.

Sir Sidney Poitier fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Mar 8, 2023

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
Acquiring insurance isn't particularly complicated, just visit comparethemarket or gocompare or confused, and follow the instructions.

I imagine you'll just need a quote at this stage as you don't actually own the property yet. This is probably just to show that the property is insurable; if its not, which is extremely unlikely, then they won't lend you the money.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I have some blue tits hanging out inside my balcony roof.

I didn't realise you lived in Westminster.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The Mail have solved the cost of living and housing crisis

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

I can offer you a literal cardboard tent for just £2 - it's fancy and waterproof and all.
What's the next level down from Dire?

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

smellmycheese posted:

The Mail have solved the cost of living and housing crisis



Would you believe this lad is actually the performance artist son of wealthy parents?

Oh you would? Yeah it's not that shocking.

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



Julio Cruz posted:

based on their rap sheet giving them probes doesn’t seem to be much of a disincentive

Bring Back Banning.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Gonzo McFee posted:

Would you believe this lad is actually the performance artist son of wealthy parents?

Oh you would? Yeah it's not that shocking.
This his dad?

Mourning Due
Oct 11, 2004

*~ missin u ~*
:canada:
Couple things on house chat/bank chat:

- Everyone I've talked to, including myself, has had an awful time with their solicitors. We almost had the seller pull out last minute, because their solicitor sent ours the contract & paperwork early June, and they didn't respond until the last week of September, five days before the completion date. When we complained they said "this is normal everywhere in the UK except in the south east"...we were buying in the south east, and the solicitor was based there? Filthy crooks.

- Had some real joy with HSBC recently. Boring but I want to vent. I'm duel British/Canadian, found out you can have an account where you can withdraw/deposit from both countries. Called HSBC, was told couldn't open over phone, go into branch. Went into branch, was told could only do over a special phone line. Called special phone line, arranged. They said they'd switch my account from Santander for me. Got sent debit, credit, set up internet banking, phone banking. Got a call: Santander refusing the switch. My mistake: Santander is joint with my wife, and as she's not Canadian I didn't add her as joint on the new account, was going to do later. Called HSBC: said can't do anything over phone, have to go into branch. Went into branch: told that only one specialist at the branch can add a joint person, by appointment only, and no appointments available until May. What they said I CAN do: call the original special phone line, cancel my new account/cut up cards/close internet banking, and immediately open a new joint account over the phone. So TLDR: called, told could only do in branch, told could only do over phone, told could only do in branch, told best bet is cancel & start all over again over phone. What a loving stupid faff.

Diet Crack
Jan 15, 2001

Dealing with banks even when you're sitting infront of them is just as mind numbing. The only difference being that it's much harder for them to handball you off.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Julio Cruz posted:

"we must reduce solar power generation, and then use solar power to heat greenhouses"

Funnily enough, the people who do the: "We can't go building solar panels or new houses on our fields, we need them for food security!" never advocate for ending mass livestock production and turning that land over to crops, which really would make a difference to the amount of food we could produce here.

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
https://twitter.com/realQinHuangdi/status/1633335711142117376

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Pistol_Pete posted:

Funnily enough, the people who do the: "We can't go building solar panels or new houses on our fields, we need them for food security!" never advocate for ending mass livestock production and turning that land over to crops, which really would make a difference to the amount of food we could produce here.
If we do end up going to a powered hothouse based food system for climate reasons the average diet probably won't be very high in meat anyway, unless they're being cuy about something.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

TACD posted:



TBH we may have been lucky in the end because from reading online it seems there’s lots of people who get burned by HSBC randomly changing their minds on mortgages, up to and including the day of completion.

Lol, when I was close to completing on my house, I got a call from HSBC saying: "Ooh, there's a problem: there's potentially a £15 annual rentcharge on your house that's been moribund for decades and we don't lend against leasehold properties!"

24 hours of worry later and then it's: "Actually, forget about it, we're all good!"

Fuckers.

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008

Sir Sidney Poitier posted:

Expect to get sore fingers from how often you have to chase your conveyancer. I was astonished at the level of service/communication some seem to consider acceptable. It'd be fine if it was infrequent, but in that case just set expectations.

It's not so infrequent - same thing happened to me in 2011.

My experience of getting a mortgage - offer accepted on flat for £111k. Flats in the same block had recently sold for 115-120.. the bank valued the property at 80k *just* low enough to incur the "Higher Lending Charge" with the deposit I had, by pure coincidence.
This was 2007, so I was lucky that I didn't go through with it just before the big crash.

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Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


The main thing I took away from an HSBC mortgage application is when you have to speak to them over the phone, ask each department you get transferred to for their direct phone number.

All of this process stuff, what you have to do and when, I got from my conveyancer though - on the very few occasions I did succeed in talking to her. Fortunately we had a great relationship with the sellers so they shared email threads from their conveyancers which allowed me to call mine out on her bullshit.

Renfield posted:

My experience of getting a mortgage - offer accepted on flat for £111k. Flats in the same block had recently sold for 115-120.. the bank valued the property at 80k *just* low enough to incur the "Higher Lending Charge" with the deposit I had, by pure coincidence.
This was 2007, so I was lucky that I didn't go through with it just before the big crash.

I had almost exactly this too. Offered X, bank valuation put it at X - 90, putting the LTV % too high. Fortunately like I said we had a great relationship with the sellers - I told them this, asked them to reduce it by 15 and we'd put in the same, yet out of the blue they reduced it by 35 which made it work. I think it was because this was on a development built in 2019 and none of the other places had yet changed hands, causing the bank to value it at its as-new asking price.

Sir Sidney Poitier fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Mar 8, 2023

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