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Oct 12, 2009

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

Half joking here, but I thought the Romansch were the proper Romans?

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

KirbyKhan posted:

Peace is good, war is bad
What kind of peace?

quote:

the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts
The "Letter from Birmingham Jail" will be sixty years old in four months and it's frankly depressing that it's still relevant

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
It applies to a frightening range of situations. The hideousness that "normal people" will accept and justify so long as they are not inconvenienced is boundless.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Peace at all cost when the cost is human suffering and dignity is a false peace.

I think its safe to say you can ignore Kirbykhan since they have nothing but slogans to offer.

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

“P” word please. That word is triggering to some for obvious reasons and is basically a slur now. Please don’t say it.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts

Karate Bastard posted:

It applies to a frightening range of situations. The hideousness that "normal people" will accept and justify so long as they are not inconvenienced is boundless.

gently caress it. I'm moving to Omelas, I hear they don't have to deal with any of that poo poo.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Noblesse Obliged posted:

“P” word please. That word is triggering to some for obvious reasons and is basically a slur now. Please don’t say it.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
lmao

knob

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1633400927410438145

Mf literally going "you haven't seen the super sekrit army of 250,000 spetsnaz with 50000 armatas and 10,000 Su-57s yet". :lmao:

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1633400927410438145

Mf literally going "you haven't seen the super sekrit army of 250,000 spetsnaz with 50000 armatas and 10,000 Su-57s yet". :lmao:

He's in so much denial I'm amazed he isn't in Egypt.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

And at the rate Russia is going Ukraine never will meet a well trained and well equipped army!

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
it's over Ukraine, I have captured your tank

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Someone needs to play the VDV video for him and ask if that was the well trained and equipped army.

super nailgun
Jan 1, 2014


KirbyKhan posted:

Peace is good, war is bad

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Noblesse Obliged posted:

“P” word please. That word is triggering to some for obvious reasons and is basically a slur now. Please don’t say it.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Ok, so we imagine they've got a legit big army fully equipped with the best gear and super well trained ninja operator types. Totally real and strong and that dude's friend.

And they aren't using it. Instead they throw mountains of irreplaceable equipment into important battles along with rear echelon troops to accomplish nothing while the ubermensch legion sits on its rear end. I guess waiting for the key moment when a breakthrough happens so they can... drive in against little resistance to occupy some territory up to the next line of contact?

Now imagine thinking this is smart.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Warbadger posted:

Ok, so we imagine they've got a legit big army fully equipped with the best gear and super well trained ninja operator types. Totally real and strong and that dude's friend.

And they aren't using it. Instead they throw mountains of irreplaceable equipment into important battles along with rear echelon troops to accomplish nothing while the ubermensch legion sits on its rear end. I guess waiting for the key moment when a breakthrough happens so they can... drive in against little resistance to occupy some territory up to the next line of contact?

Now imagine thinking this is smart.

"We're recruiting and slaughtering our population, which was already in a growth crisis, but trust us, the REAL army has yet to show its face. Lemme just dig around the toybox and see what equipment we have left..."

Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting

Warbadger posted:

Ok, so we imagine they've got a legit big army fully equipped with the best gear and super well trained ninja operator types. Totally real and strong and that dude's friend.

And they aren't using it. Instead they throw mountains of irreplaceable equipment into important battles along with rear echelon troops to accomplish nothing while the ubermensch legion sits on its rear end. I guess waiting for the key moment when a breakthrough happens so they can... drive in against little resistance to occupy some territory up to the next line of contact?

Now imagine thinking this is smart.

When I played Magic:The Gathering, this strategy was referred to as 'Malling it'. Drawing out the game for no reason and giving your opponent more chances to pull back and challenge you. As though you were playing friends in a mall cafeteria and nothing was at stake.

armpit_enjoyer
Jan 25, 2023

my god. it's full of posts

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

When I played Magic:The Gathering, this strategy was referred to as 'Malling it'. Drawing out the game for no reason and giving your opponent more chances to pull back and challenge you. As though you were playing friends in a mall cafeteria and nothing was at stake.

And then your opponent draws that one final land they needed to cast In Garruk's Wake they've been holding since turn 1 and they rub in your loss the entire way home.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

armpit_enjoyer posted:

And then your opponent draws that one final land they needed to cast In Garruk's Wake they've been holding since turn 1 and they rub in your loss the entire way home.

7 and two black, jesus yeah you'd have to really wait to play it.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

By the time you're digging trenches in a desperate attempt to hold on to what territory you have left, making weird technicals out of whatever junk you can put together from the parts that aren't too rusted in the military boneyard, and giving obsolete T-62s and BTR-50s to your supposed elite formations, we've already gone long past "We have fought this war wrong on purpose, as a joke."

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
The narrative now is in Russia's favour. They're not being beaten by Ukraine they're fighting a war against the entire West. That's not entirely untrue BUT the most important defeat Russia faced was at the beginning of the war when Ukraine alone stopped the Russian advance in its tracks with only fairly cheap western anti-tank weapons and the army they already had - which was almost entirely dated Russian equipment.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Funky See Funky Do posted:

The narrative now is in Russia's favour. They're not being beaten by Ukraine they're fighting a war against the entire West. That's not entirely untrue BUT the most important defeat Russia faced was at the beginning of the war when Ukraine alone stopped the Russian advance in its tracks with only fairly cheap western anti-tank weapons and the army they already had - which was almost entirely dated Russian equipment.

I don't think that narrative even sells in Russia, so I don't think this is true. Most Russians just want to ignore the war more than take sides.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1633400927410438145

Mf literally going "you haven't seen the super sekrit army of 250,000 spetsnaz with 50000 armatas and 10,000 Su-57s yet". :lmao:

Steiner...

zone
Dec 6, 2016

fatherboxx posted:

Steiner...

Mein Monke..... Steinerovski's counter attack isn't coming........

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

CSM posted:

There's no conclusive evidence however that the losses Ukraine is incurring are less severe than Russia's though.

Even if we believe the claim about much higher Russian casualties. Five Russians for every Ukrainian isn't a good deal, if it's a seasoned Ukrainian soldier versus five Wagner prisoner mobiks.

Most media are talking about heavy Ukrainian losses that are potentially endangering future counter offensives. So it remains to be seen who will come out of the Battle of Bakhmut in a better position.

Hopefully it'll play out something like Severodonetsk.

Not being starved for recruits and being picky about who you sign up at all is a pretty sure indicator that it isn't going too poorly on a global scale. Meanwhile, the experience of the people buying the time for xyz is rough.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

CommieGIR posted:

I don't think that narrative even sells in Russia, so I don't think this is true. Most Russians just want to ignore the war more than take sides.

I don't know what Russians think. I can only guess at what the government wants them to think and I'm cynical enough to believe that a majority of Russians either believe or don't spend much time questioning what they're being told.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Weren't there only a couple of thousand guys left in Bakhmut to begin with? Troops, of course, perhaps more civs.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1633335134979072001

The gently caress is this gibberish. Russians can't live abroad for long? Yeah tell that to all the billionaires and their kids studying in London.

RDM
Apr 6, 2009

I LOVE FINLAND AND ESPECIALLY FINLAND'S MILITARY ALLIANCES, GOOGLE FINLAND WORLD WAR 2 FOR MORE INFORMATION SLAVA UKRANI

Warbadger posted:

Ok, so we imagine they've got a legit big army fully equipped with the best gear and super well trained ninja operator types. Totally real and strong and that dude's friend.

And they aren't using it. Instead they throw mountains of irreplaceable equipment into important battles along with rear echelon troops to accomplish nothing while the ubermensch legion sits on its rear end. I guess waiting for the key moment when a breakthrough happens so they can... drive in against little resistance to occupy some territory up to the next line of contact?

Now imagine thinking this is smart.
It's smart for a dictator who will be couped without the well trained and armed loyal army. They can safely war crime occupied regions and suppress internal threats while the army you filled with undesirables and haven't really given any resources to gets shredded.

The fightin' army kills some dudes on the other side and it would be nice if they succeeded, but this is an internal ethnic cleansing wearing a hat and a trenchcoat, and your territorial integrity is assured by your nuclear arsenal anyway.

It's horrible sense, but it does make sense (and is why dictatorships tend to be dogshit at wars).

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Nessus posted:

Weren't there only a couple of thousand guys left in Bakhmut to begin with? Troops, of course, perhaps more civs.

The reports from ~3ish weeks ago were that 2,500 people were left inside the city itself and that equipment and gear was being moved out piecemeal, maybe those guys who weren't rotated off parked themselves in the hills outside Bakhmut along with the other reinforcements Ukraine's command sent there.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

Nessus posted:

Weren't there only a couple of thousand guys left in Bakhmut to begin with? Troops, of course, perhaps more civs.

Troop numbers in Bakhmut are pretty hush hush so it's mostly speculation (no one has any idea lol). Loads of people thought that Ukraine was withdrawing but then they didn't and then went and whacked the north and south of it lol.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1633335134979072001

The gently caress is this gibberish. Russians can't live abroad for long? Yeah tell that to all the billionaires and their kids studying in London.


literally vatnik: the post
(I know that vatniks are jackets, but the joke still fits)

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum
Russia vowed to defend Ukraine in exchange for giving up their nuclear arsenal; which they did.

Russia then attacked Ukraine and is now getting its rear end handed to them.

Almost as if breaking vows have consequences!

Honor your promise, Russia or be scattered to the winds like you deserve.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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KirbyKhan posted:

Peace is good, war is bad

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Logically, then, Stalin was history's greatest monster for choosing to resist the Nazi invasion, and millions of Soviet deaths can be lain directly at his feet for his refusal to negotiate like a sensible person.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a tragic monument to the bloodthirstiness of the North Vietnamese government, who were obligated to surrender immediately to American intervention but foolishly chose to sacrifice their own people in a pointless war.

I'm glad we all agree that a country defending itself against invasion is an unconscionable act under all circumstances.

Tai
Mar 8, 2006
Something might be going on. 6 intel birds buzzing around today

zone
Dec 6, 2016

the holy poopacy posted:

Logically, then, Stalin was history's greatest monster for choosing to resist the Nazi invasion, and millions of Soviet deaths can be lain directly at his feet for his refusal to negotiate like a sensible person.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a tragic monument to the bloodthirstiness of the North Vietnamese government, who were obligated to surrender immediately to American intervention but foolishly chose to sacrifice their own people in a pointless war.

I'm glad we all agree that a country defending itself against invasion is an unconscionable act under all circumstances.

:laffo:

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!

Funky See Funky Do posted:

The narrative now is in Russia's favour. They're not being beaten by Ukraine they're fighting a war against the entire West. That's not entirely untrue BUT the most important defeat Russia faced was at the beginning of the war when Ukraine alone stopped the Russian advance in its tracks with only fairly cheap western anti-tank weapons and the army they already had - which was almost entirely dated Russian equipment.

It's their narrative but I wouldn't be bragging about losing because my much poorer, smaller opponent got the military equivalent of loose change from the couches of a bunch of nations that drew down their militaries in the post-Cold war era (also America)

NATO's main overwhelming advantages (airpower and force projection via navies and foreign bases) aren't even a factor in this since Ukraine hasn't been getting planes nor boats.

The sheer scale of what could be brought to bear in a fight vs what they're actually facing is immense.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1633335134979072001

The gently caress is this gibberish. Russians can't live abroad for long? Yeah tell that to all the billionaires and their kids studying in London.

It's not for them, it's to discourage all the commoners getting ideas that maybe Russia isn't the best place to live right now. "Russia isn't perfect, but everywhere else is WORSE! So stay in Russia!"

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1633335134979072001

The gently caress is this gibberish. Russians can't live abroad for long? Yeah tell that to all the billionaires and their kids studying in London.

Sometimes I feel that Russian Media has this contempt for their own. Don’t dream of life outside, you could never handle it, and if you do, it’s you who is wrong.

I get the intent behind the tone, it’s straight abusive, but gently caress. You wonder what great people have been torn down by that poo poo.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


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Deki posted:

It's their narrative but I wouldn't be bragging about losing because my much poorer, smaller opponent got the military equivalent of loose change from the couches of a bunch of nations that drew down their militaries in the post-Cold war era (also America)

NATO's main overwhelming advantages (airpower and force projection via navies and foreign bases) aren't even a factor in this since Ukraine hasn't been getting planes nor boats.

The sheer scale of what could be brought to bear in a fight vs what they're actually facing is immense.

This is really the crux of it: Russia hasn't even remotely faced NATO, but the fact that they struggle this bad against a small, recently raised army is a sure sign any conflict with NATO would not go well for their forces in the field.

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