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I'm a huge freak that really liked Dark Fate. Not nearly as much as T2 but still a good amount. Edit: horrible snype
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I thought Terminator: Dark Fate had a decent story and executed fairly well. Definitely better than Salvation or Genysis did IMO.
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Inzombiac posted:I'm a huge freak that really liked Dark Fate. Yea, Dark Fate was good enough to be counted as one of the actual Terminator movies. So much so that when people say "T3" I get confused when they're not talking about Dark Fate.
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Mar 7, 2023 23:36
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Weirdly enough I like how Terminator 3 ended. Incredibly bleak but somehow fitting. The rest of the movie has a lot of flaws though.
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Android Apocalypse posted:In a college comics writing class I tried pitching a story where Skynet learns that Kyle Reese is the father & sends a Terminator to go after one of his ancestors… in 1940's Germany. John Connor sends a savior but the story's dilemma revolved around their deep Jewish faith in conflict with saving SS officer Wilhelm Reese. I always thought that this, aside from doing the War Against the Machines and all that, would be the only way to make any fresh Terminator sequels. Something like you said (set during WW2) or in the old West, the revolutionary war or whatever that ups the ante of "I can't stop it. Not with these weapons". It worked for Prey. It's hardly original but I think you could do some interesting things with it with clever writers. UNfortunately, I think the demand for more Terminator movies is over Now a good Terminator video game on the other hand... Let's borrow from Alien: Isolation and make a Terminator game with that template. BiggerBoat has a new favorite as of 23:48 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Basebf555 posted:What Cameron was counting on, and he was correct, is that the impression left by Arnold from the first movie would carry over at least for a few scenes. In retrospect sure, you can see that the Terminator isn't acting quite the same way he would've in the first movie, but most people just don't notice that. And if they do, they tend to just assume it's because Cameron decided to make a movie that's a bit lighter in tone, not because Arnold is actually playing the good guy. I'd still say it comes down to tone more than Arnold=good. He stabs a dude and throws another one onto a hot grill. Old John clearly didn't order him not to kill anyone because he was totally going to ice that guy ,to cone a phrase, that tried to help young John. Even the T-1000 doesn't kill as many people as the first Terminator and he has knives for hands.
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Okay, there is one other thing I enjoy about T3. In the original movie, Reese describes Skynet as basically going "Day 1: Become self-aware. Day 2: Kill all humans" (I mean, it's not wrong, but still). In T3, it's heavily implied-if-not-outright-stated that Skynet had already become self-aware long before the movie started, it had to manipulate people into giving it the keys to the kingdom, so to speak.
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The song literally says he’s B-b-b-b-b-bad. He doesn’t even have bones so the bad permeates his entire being instead of ending a few centimeters deep like it would for any of us. Aphrodite has a new favorite as of 00:17 on Mar 8, 2023 |
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Mar 8, 2023 00:13
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Doesnt arnie impale a guy and leave him stuck there like a bug?
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Mar 8, 2023 01:27
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Yep. Through the scapula too.
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Tunicate posted:Doesnt arnie impale a guy and leave him stuck there like a bug? Let off some steam!
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Android Apocalypse posted:I thought Terminator: Dark Fate had a decent story and executed fairly well. I thought I'd seen all the Terminator movies but I'd somehow completely forgotten about the existence of Genysis.
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terminator: Genysis is off the wall in retconning all stuff with a T-800 protecting a young Sarah Conner & John becoming Skynet, but somehow it just missed the mark in being entertaining.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Yep. Through the scapula too. Ah not the scapula
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Bobby budnick is a really good friend
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Milo and POTUS posted:Bobby budnick is a really good friend It’s why he got rewarded with a trip to Camp Anawanna.
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Cat Hatter posted:Old John clearly didn't order him not to kill anyone because he was totally going to ice that guy ,to cone a phrase, that tried to help young John. What guy? I haven't seen the movie in forever
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Milo and POTUS posted:What guy? I haven't seen the movie in forever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyhrl6GUiag Just over 2 minutes into this scene.
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Don't know if it's subtle, pure coincidence, or  but Terminator 2: Judgement Day was on HBO just now.https://i.imgur.com/LMkOAhb.mp4
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rydiafan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyhrl6GUiag Oh man I forgot about that. Guy had incredible roots
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Carthag Tuek posted:Cameron on why the T-1000 is a cop: The ship in Avatar 2 that incinerates several square miles of forest as it lands is called Manifest Destiny. James Cameron has never been subtle about his politics.
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Mar 8, 2023 03:57
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I love Arnie's response to John telling him to put the gun down in that scene. He's like a puppy or a 3 year old.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I love Arnie's response to John telling him to put the gun down in that scene. He's like a puppy or a 3 year old. Yeah he took that very literally lol. That's a director's cut scene right? I can't recall ever seeing it before in the theatrical/tv/vhs editions..
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Android Apocalypse posted:Don't know if it's subtle, pure coincidence, or God drat that still makes me tear up a bit I think I should give Genysis another shot. I went in hoping for a good Terminator sequel and that's probably not the expectations one should have.
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Randalor posted:Okay, there is one other thing I enjoy about T3. In the original movie, Reese describes Skynet as basically going "Day 1: Become self-aware. Day 2: Kill all humans" (I mean, it's not wrong, but still). In T3, it's heavily implied-if-not-outright-stated that Skynet had already become self-aware long before the movie started, it had to manipulate people into giving it the keys to the kingdom, so to speak. In T2 when Arnie is spelling out the future history he states that Skynet became operational on August 2nd 1997 and became self aware on August 29th. However, there was no need for it to manipulate people to gain control of the strategic defence network as that was the specific reason for its construction. It just didn't see humans as a threat until they tried to disable it. Really it's just Colossus from The Forbin Project, except more psychopathic and with no sense of humour.
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Arrath posted:Yeah he took that very literally lol. That's a director's cut scene right? I can't recall ever seeing it before in the theatrical/tv/vhs editions.. Nope. Every version has that unless your local TV station cut the movie down to a half hour or something.
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Cat Hatter posted:Nope. Every version has that unless your local TV station cut the movie down to a half hour or something. Fuckin hell
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Aphrodite posted:The song literally says he’s B-b-b-b-b-bad. What? Arnie's T-800? They literally have a scene showing off his metal endoskeleton arm? In the first movie he's down to the bone. Or do you mean Robert Patrick's T-1000 who only gets Brad Fiedel music for his cool scenes, although Arnie is literally carrying Guns and Roses.
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Metal isn’t bone!
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Aphrodite posted:Metal isn’t bone! Hence why, perhaps, the song is subtly letting us know he's actually good. Bad to the Bone, if he had any. But since he doesn't....
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I mean, part of the actual lyrics for Bad to the Bone are "I wanna be yours, pretty baby Yours and yours alone" So you could argue that the actual lyrics is hinting that the T-800 isn't the actual bad guy this time around.
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BiggerBoat posted:I always thought that this, aside from doing the War Against the Machines and all that, would be the only way to make any fresh Terminator sequels. Something like you said (set during WW2) or in the old West, the revolutionary war or whatever that ups the ante of "I can't stop it. Not with these weapons". It worked for Prey. World War I Terminator please. "And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until it gets to Tipperary." Android Apocalypse posted:terminator: Genysis is off the wall in retconning all stuff with a T-800 protecting a young Sarah Conner & John becoming Skynet, but somehow it just missed the mark in being entertaining. Poor bastards thought they'd have an entire trilogy to explain that. Little did they know that they'd sown in the field of Jai Courtney and would reap only ruinous reviews. Arrath posted:Yeah he took that very literally lol. That's a director's cut scene right? I can't recall ever seeing it before in the theatrical/tv/vhs editions.. The one thing that always really annoyed me about that scene is that it looks like he spikes the camera for his "I swear I will not kill anyone". I'm still not entirely sure he doesn't. credburn posted:God drat that still makes me tear up a bit It just makes me think of We Hate Movies' suggestion that he say "Later; Dickwad." as it happens
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:The one thing that always really annoyed me about that scene is that it looks like he spikes the camera for his "I swear I will not kill anyone". I'm still not entirely sure he doesn't. I think that made it into the trailer so it's possible it was filmed with that in mind.
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I swear I read him in an interview years ago saying it was supposed to be a hidden surprise. But apparently I'm wrong as is everyone who thinks it was a hidden surprise. https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/an-audience-with-the-king-james-cameron-interviewed-by-hollywoods-finest/ quote:First of all, we’re mega, mega, mega fans. How did it come about that the marketing campaign for Terminator 2 gave away the twist? The story is such that you think Arnold’s the villain, until Arnold and the T-1000 are face-to-face in a hallway and Arnold says, “Get down!” And then you realise he’s the good guy. That’s a huge twist that was given away in the marketing. Did you lose that battle?
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That whole article is great because it's pretty much the most humility Cameron's ever shown publicly and he's still like "I've created the greatest film ever and I'm going to blow your loving minds."
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James Cameron, “J.C” to his friends, has the distinction of being the director of two films that made the most money in box office history at their respective times. I’m not a number cruncher but that’s got to be some type of record.
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He says it it right there though. Arnold as the good guy is "revealed" at the end of Act 1, i.e. it's ambiguous until that point. Nobody is saying it's some sort of Shyamalan twist, but the movie is edited in such a way that you don't know who the good guy is until the hallway scene. He's acknowledging that he made the decision to not protect that reveal in the marketing because he felt it was worth it to make sure that people would get excited about the chance to see Arnold play the good guy(because he'd become the biggest movie star in the world).
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Cameron has never made an enjoyable film
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