Scandinavia: I know I shit on Denmark a lot, but I think they deserve it

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SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Worth remembering that COVID wasn't measles-level infectious when it first landed.

# ? Mar 7, 2023 23:31

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# ? Jun 13, 2024 07:04

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Nice piece of fish posted:

And we have to what. Just take this? I mean with sky-high productivity, insane prices on everything, we are just supposed to accept breadcrumbs at the bargaining table?

Scandinavian wages are not too high. European wages are too low. All "wage stagnation" is going to do is make rich people richer and poor people more numerous, and rich people are busy fleeing for Switzerland rather than pay back into the system that made them wealthy in the first place.

I am very unhappy with this development.

well it's the inevitable consequence of the political direction we're on, which is non-negotiable to the parties of state on both the left and the right and to which even SV are starting to warm up.

the current government won power by basically promising to fudge this and somehow square the circle, but it immediately and obviously failed, as represented by the ongoing electricity-price debacle. i am likewise very unhappy with the development, but i really can't see how to reverse it without measures which would dramatically increase the level of conflict within our society as well as between it and our neighbours.

# ? Mar 7, 2023 23:52

Esran: Apr 28, 2008

Orio posted:

No, I'm asking how that would help in terms of achieving zero covid, which is very different from just limiting infection. I thought that was pretty self-evident from the rest of my post.

What kind of answer are you looking for here? Your assertion is that the only way to pursue an elimination strategy for the disease is to "faultlessly implement extreme levels of state control". I don't think that's true in a world where most countries attempted to eliminate the disease, but obviously I can't provide evidence for counterfactuals. I can point out that zero covid wasn't an exclusively Chinese policy, and I don't believe New Zealand or Vietnam welded anyone into their homes.

Every country (except maybe North Korea) has abandoned zero covid at this point, but covid is substantially more infectious now than it was early in the pandemic, so the level of lockdown needed to control it now is not the same as it was then.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 00:11

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

evil_bunnY posted:

This can be (uselessly) argued both ways.

Fair enough.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 09:33

Zulily Zoetrope: Jun 1, 2011; Muldoon

evil_bunnY posted:

This can be (uselessly) argued both ways.

I disagree.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 10:03

Zudgemud: Mar 1, 2009; Grimey Drawer

SplitSoul posted:

Worth remembering that COVID wasn't measles-level infectious when it first landed.

The initial Wuhan strain was still really infectious though, likely more than influenza and RSV, and it quickly gained point mutations that made it more infectious.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 10:12

Feliday Melody: May 8, 2021

Sweden also has a system where at least an overwhelming majority of workers can stay home if they feel sick and their employer has no say on the matter. That probably helped a lot when compared to other "open" countries where a lot more people died.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 10:14

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Yeah the presence of a serviceable social security net was probably immensely important, and it being already in place meant that the government only needed some occasional tweaks (karensdag) to make it more manageable for the average Joe. Compare that to the rollout of elptisst�det which apparently was in effect already before November 1st but actually not until just a few weeks ago and also oops big surprise most of it went to corporations no you can�t see the receipts you have to wait 20 years first shut up YOU are corrupt!

# ? Mar 8, 2023 14:03

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

Orio posted:

I will never understand the need to blame liberal democracy for covid deaths in Scandinavia, and not on the pandemic itself. Scandinavia by all accounts fared really well through the pandemic, and it seems to annoy some people to no end.

I'm blaming a bureaucrat who didn't mind letting a novel virus rampage through our elder populations.

Feliday Melody posted:

Sweden also has a system where at least an overwhelming majority of workers can stay home if they feel sick and their employer has no say on the matter. That probably helped a lot when compared to other "open" countries where a lot more people died.

Ayup. The amount of stories I've heard from people in the US being forced to work (or unable to afford not working) with obvious covid (or clearly sick coworkers) is disheartening.

TheFluff posted:

e: I think your edit kinda illustrates my point btw. FHM could make recommendations or rules as much as it liked but that didn't mean society would instantly do as they said.

My point was that "recommendations" were vague, open to interpretation or not strict enough, and that's a recipe for disaster precisely because employers then get to abuse them.

evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Mar 8, 2023

# ? Mar 8, 2023 14:26

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

I feel like Norway was pretty close to going with a similar policy to Sweden's at the start of the pandemic. My recollection is that that was initially the plan, except that some of the largest city kommuner imposed their own restrictions and the national government was forced to back them retroactively or look very stupid. At least in Trondheim the kommune itself seemed like it was pushed into that, since several of the largest employers in the city (including the university) sent everyone home a few days before the kommune came out with its own "everyone* stay home" policy.

*assuming you work in an office

# ? Mar 8, 2023 15:39

Jack Trades: Nov 30, 2010; Can't post for 11 years!

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/q1Qr7m/polis-doms-for-tjanstefel

If you want to knee a teenager in the stomach until they vomit and then strip search another teen in the middle of the street, then it will cost you only 28000 SEK, as long as you're a cop.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 16:08

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

Jack Trades posted:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/q1Qr7m/polis-doms-for-tjanstefel

If you want to knee a teenager in the stomach until they vomit and then strip search another teen in the middle of the street, then it will cost you only 28000 SEK, as long as you're a cop.

And of course he gets to keep on being a pig, no reason to get rid of such an amazing colleague.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 16:15

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

The new shadow government SD wants more of that sort of piggery so yeah not gonna be fired for it. 28k is a surprisingly high fine IMO.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 17:21

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

big scary monsters posted:

I feel like Norway was pretty close to going with a similar policy to Sweden's at the start of the pandemic. My recollection is that that was initially the plan, except that some of the largest city kommuner imposed their own restrictions and the national government was forced to back them retroactively or look very stupid. At least in Trondheim the kommune itself seemed like it was pushed into that, since several of the largest employers in the city (including the university) sent everyone home a few days before the kommune came out with its own "everyone* stay home" policy.

*assuming you work in an office

yeah, some bureaucrats in frosta and then in bergen freaked out. bergen then got in touch with oslo and worked out a somewhat *creative* interpretation of smittevernloven which resulted in lockdowns in the two largest cities in the country, with more municipalities following suit very quickly. at that point the government was pretty much forced into adopting a national lockdown policy.

erna solberg had really good spin doctors; so much of the pandemic was so obviously reactive or just outright mishandled (remember the last flight home from spain?) in ways with which i don't think that the present government would've gotten away

# ? Mar 8, 2023 19:56

lilljonas: May 6, 2007; We got crabs? We got crabs!

Potrzebie posted:

And of course he gets to keep on being a pig, no reason to get rid of such an amazing colleague.

a dark lol at the personalansvarsn�mnd deciding, before the verdict, that the police officer would be fired if guilty of more severe case of assault, but if it was a "ringa misshandel" of an innocent victim then it's ok, keep up the good job. Because just bruising up people on the streets as a cop is to be expected, I guess?

# ? Mar 8, 2023 22:10

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

big scary monsters posted:

I feel like Norway was pretty close to going with a similar policy to Sweden's at the start of the pandemic. My recollection is that that was initially the plan, except that some of the largest city kommuner imposed their own restrictions and the national government was forced to back them retroactively or look very stupid. At least in Trondheim the kommune itself seemed like it was pushed into that, since several of the largest employers in the city (including the university) sent everyone home a few days before the kommune came out with its own "everyone* stay home" policy.

Yeah reading what those uni's did and contrasting it to our local orgs was pretty eye-opening. Ours even tried to keep admin in office and it immediately blew up in their faces.

Potrzebie posted:

And of course he gets to keep on being a pig, no reason to get rid of such an amazing colleague.

That's the more outrageous part yes. If somebody did that to my kid I'd be out for blood.

# ? Mar 8, 2023 23:24

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

evil_bunnY posted:

That's the more outrageous part yes. If somebody did that to my kid I'd be out for blood.

Yeah, I can't imagine what would :crackping:

me harder and faster than this kind of experience. Also I'd quit my job if my bosses would keep this kind of scum around. It's shameful.

# ? Mar 9, 2023 08:39

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

Potrzebie posted:

Yeah, I can't imagine what would me harder and faster than this kind of experience. Also I'd quit my job if my bosses would keep this kind of scum around. It's shameful.

I'm already :crackping:

'ed from all my non-white friends (and only my non-white friends) getting poo poo from the cops when I was in uni. There was an criminal event near my house (sorry for vagueness, specifying the type would turbo-doxx me), and my neighbors looked horrified by how I talked to the cops lol. The only people more incompetent than the perps are the cops who'll never find them.

# ? Mar 9, 2023 09:54

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

I will let this "ins�ndare" in DN summarize my thoughts on the utter travesty that is my workplace (MTR Pendelt�g) right now:

https://www.dn.se/insandare/stoppa-mtrs-inforande-av-tag-som-kors-av-ensamma-forare/

quote:

Politiker, det �r dags att agera! Som p� bilden ovan ser det numera ut dagligen n�r tiotusentals resen�rer f�rs�ker ta sig till och fr�n jobbet i Stockholmsomr�det. Det �r oacceptabelt!

I onsdags hade jag n�stan en f�rdubblad restid till skolan d�r jag jobbar, och d� tar det redan ett bra tag att ta sig till innerstan fr�n f�rorten. Jag m�ttes d�r av mejl fr�n f�r�ldrar som bett sina barn att v�nda om och f�rs�ka g�ra skolarbetet hemifr�n efter att de v�ntat f�rg�ves p� t�get i 11 minusgrader p� en kn�kfull perrong.

Kommer det ett t�g s� �r det s� fullt att det �r sv�rt att andas ordentligt ombord. Snacka om perfekta f�ruts�ttningar f�r covid-19 att g�ra storstilad comeback!

T�goperat�ren MTR skyller p� �personalbrist� och �personalbyte�. Men det handlar i sj�lva verket om en enda sak: att MTR vill sk�ra kostnader och �ka sin vinst genom att inf�ra DOO (Driver only operations), allts� att lokf�raren ska vara ensam personal ombord och inte l�ngre bara ansvara f�r att framf�ra t�get p� ett s�kert s�tt, utan �ven ta �ver t�gv�rdens ansvar f�r att �vervaka kameror, p�- och avstigning, h�nvisa passagerare med s�rskilda behov till stationsv�rden (hur l�nge nu de finns kvar?) samt sk�ta kommunikation med resen�rerna.

Lokf�rarna har kraftigt genom sina fackf�reningar motsatt sig detta. DOO �r n�mligen en katastrof f�r s�kerheten, f�r resen�rerna och f�r lokf�rarnas arbetsmilj�.

En god v�n som �r lokf�rare vittnar om hur vidrigt de behandlas. Hen har protesterat mot att ensam tvingas ansvara f�r upp till 1 800 resen�rer i st�llet f�r att, som tidigare, ansvara f�r att k�ra och har som svar schemalagts som �utebliven fr�n tj�nst� (UFT) i ett par dagar. Beordrad att stanna hemma, allts�. Utan l�n. S� h�r beter sig allts� MTR, som har mage att h�nvisa till �personalbrist� n�r vi resen�rer drabbas. Min v�n har gett mig tillst�nd att skriva detta, men vill sj�lvklart vara anonym eftersom �det h�r f�retaget �r Voldemort�.

MTR h�nvisar g�rna till hur bra DOO fungerar i Storbritannien. En kollega till min v�n kontaktade deras fack och fick detta svar:

�Thank you for your email. Driver only operation is dangerous for staff and passengers, and we consider it unacceptable for safe, functioning railways.

The introduction of DOO has been attempted and resisted by our union for years, and we are still continuing to fight against its imposition.

We would encourage all drivers and rail workers who wish to resist the introduction of DOO to join a trade union as the most effective way for collectively campaigning for change.

Best wishes�

�vers�ttning:

�Tack f�r ditt mejl! Drivers only operation �r farligt f�r personal och passagerare, och vi anser att det �r oacceptabelt p� s�kra, fungerande j�rnv�gar.

F�rs�ken att inf�ra DOO har v�ckt motst�nd fr�n v�r fackliga organisation under �ratal, och vi forts�tter att k�mpa mot dess inf�rande.

Vi uppmuntrar alla t�gf�rare och j�rnv�gsarbetare som vill stoppa inf�randet av DOO att bli medlem i en fackf�rening som det mest effektiva s�ttet f�r att kollektivt arbeta f�r en f�r�ndring.

B�sta h�lsningar�

Se denna artikel och �ven denna som understryker detsamma.

MTR beter sig som skurkar! Jag tvingas betala 1 000 kronor i m�naden till detta f�retag f�r att kunna ta mig till jobbet. M�nga andra sitter i samma sits.

● Resen�rer: S�g ifr�n! Sprid information om hur det ligger till!

● Journalister: Gr�v! Kr�v svar!

● Politiker: T�nk om och s�tt stopp f�r detta vansinne!

# ? Mar 9, 2023 11:23

Zudgemud: Mar 1, 2009; Grimey Drawer

evil_bunnY posted:

I'm already 'ed from all my non-white friends (and only my non-white friends) getting poo poo from the cops when I was in uni. There was an criminal event near my house (sorry for vagueness, specifying the type would turbo-doxx me), and my neighbors looked horrified by how I talked to the cops lol. The only people more incompetent than the perps are the cops who'll never find them.

Sadly the cops can't do poo poo if people don't testify and they get some hard evidence. Luckily for a severe crime near our place the perps got filmed doing the deed and hosed up so much that the police found both willing witnesses, so they could arrest the perps an hour after the deed, and ample evidence, so that the perps eventually confessed basically everything. But that confluence of lucky factors is really not the norm apparently.

# ? Mar 9, 2023 12:02

Zulily Zoetrope: Jun 1, 2011; Muldoon

It almost sounds like it would be to their benefit to not alienate and brutalize most communities and all minorities, if they are so dependent on their cooperation to do their jobs.

# ? Mar 9, 2023 12:09

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

It almost sounds like it would be to their benefit to not alienate and brutalize most communities and all minorities, if they are so dependent on their cooperation to do their jobs.

# ? Mar 9, 2023 12:34

Potrzebie: Apr 6, 2010; I may not know what I'm talking about, but I sure love cops! ^^ Boy, but that boot is just yummy!; Lipstick Apathy

Jack Trades posted:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/q1Qr7m/polis-doms-for-tjanstefel

If you want to knee a teenager in the stomach until they vomit and then strip search another teen in the middle of the street, then it will cost you only 28000 SEK, as long as you're a cop.

You can also do drugs while on the job, no problem!

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/JQpo7P/atalad-polis-far-behalla-jobbet

# ? Mar 9, 2023 21:29

Nidhg00670000: Mar 26, 2010; We're in the pipe, five by five.; Grimey Drawer

BigglesSWE posted:

I will let this "ins�ndare" in DN summarize my thoughts on the utter travesty that is my workplace (MTR Pendelt�g) right now:

https://www.dn.se/insandare/stoppa-mtrs-inforande-av-tag-som-kors-av-ensamma-forare/

I thought stationsv�rdar were already long gone. My grandma whos basically blind in one eye and have really bad vision on her other eye got told "just take a cab instead" when she tried to call in advance to get help navigating the subway.

EDIT: It's also from her involvement in Synskadades Riksf�rbund that I know of poo poo like this.

quote:

Vilmer B�ckman �r 21 �r och blind. Trots att han har allvarliga sv�righeter att resa med den allm�nna kollektivtrafiken, och hans syncentral medgett att det i vissa fall �r f�renat med livsfara, har Region Stockholm nekat honom f�rdtj�nsttillst�nd.

Vilmer B�ckman �verklagade avslaget till f�rvaltningsr�tten. F�rvaltningsr�tten p�stod att det inte var uteslutet att han skulle kunna l�ra sig alla str�ckor utantill.

Nidhg00670000 fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Mar 10, 2023

# ? Mar 10, 2023 03:55

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Nye Borgerlige implosion continues, you love to see it. Now Lars Boje has been deposed and excluded from the party. :allears:

In other political deroute news, Mai Villadsen will be co-hosting a show with Messerschmidt on DK4. I was worried for a second there that EL couldn't possibly gently caress up any worse.

# ? Mar 10, 2023 11:12

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lagradets-kritik-ignoreras-allt-oftare-forskaren-mojliggor-for-regering-som-inte-vill-demokratin-val

quote:

Om utvecklingen med politiker som allt oftare ignorerar Lagr�dets kritik forts�tter riskerar Sveriges demokrati att hamna p� djupt vatten. Det menar Patrik Bremdal, docent i konstitutionell r�tt.

� Det m�jligg�r f�r en regering som inte vill demokratin eller r�ttsstaten v�l.

De uppm�rksammade fallen d�r regeringar i Sverige g�tt emot Lagr�dets kritik inf�r en ny lagstiftning b�rjar bli allt fler. Bland exemplen finns undantaget f�r f�retaget Cementa att bryta kalk p� Gotland, den s� kallade gymnasielagen som gav vissa ensamkommande flyktingar tillf�lligt uppeh�llstillst�nd och nu senast lagen som g�r deltagande i terrororganisationer straffbart.

� I de fall man pekat p� allvarlig kritik s� �r det n�stan h�lften av fallen p� senare tid d�r man inte f�ljt Lagr�dets kritik, s�ger Patrik Bremdal, docent i konstitutionell r�tt vid Uppsala universitet, och forts�tter:

� Risken blir att vi kan f� lagstiftning som strider mot v�r grundlag, eller mot m�nskliga r�ttigheter. Eller att vi f�r lagstiftning som l�mnar �ver makten till domstolarna att fylla ut.

Framf�r allt �r han kritisk till det som politiker g�rna kallar f�r �snabbsp�r� som han menar anv�nds f�r l�ttvindigt.

�Ungern �r det klassiska exemplet�
� Om vi till�ter det h�r i normala fall, �ven om det inte �r en kris som till exempel pandemin. D� finns risken att en senare regering kan nyttja det h�r sp�ret och definiera vad allm�nintresse �r p� egen hand.

� F�r vi d� en illiberal regering som ocks� har majoritet i riksdagen kan den snabbt k�ra igenom en massa lagstiftning som kanske inte �r i linje med det vi kallar f�r en r�ttsstat eller en demokrati. Och det finns ju s�dana exempel i Europa. Ungern �r ju det klassiska exemplet som brukar tas upp, d�r det g�tt v�ldigt snabbt att f� igenom en massa lagstiftning.

Lagr�det �r mer f�rsiktiga i hur de uttrycker sig, �ven om ledamoten, tillika justitier�det, Stefan Reimer �ven han s�ger att han ibland kan undra varf�r det ska g� s� v�ldigt snabbt. Och det �r ocks� just tidsaspekten som han menar att Lagr�det oftast �r kritiska till.

� N�r Lagr�det varit v�ldigt kritiskt har man ofta haft v�ldigt korta remisstider. Jag h�rde n�gon som var en halv dag. Normalt sett �r det kanske 2,5 m�nader eller ett par veckor i varje fall om det �r lite mer br�dskande lagf�rslag.

# ? Mar 10, 2023 21:50

Esran: Apr 28, 2008

SplitSoul posted:

Nye Borgerlige implosion continues, you love to see it. Now Lars Boje has been deposed and excluded from the party.

In other political deroute news, Mai Villadsen will be co-hosting a show with Messerschmidt on DK4. I was worried for a second there that EL couldn't possibly gently caress up any worse.

I feel like she has really bad political instincts. She went to St�jberg's brother's farm a while back, where she could be portrayed as the out of touch big city politician, being taught how the real world works by the salt of the earth.

Imagine thinking "Debate me!" is a thing you should do with right wingers in 2023.

# ? Mar 10, 2023 22:38

jeebus bob: Nov 4, 2004; Festina lente

Kennel posted:

Actual science

# ? Mar 11, 2023 12:41

zokie: Feb 13, 2006; Out of many, Sweden

I don�t know the Odyssey happened that recently considering how long Karlskrona has been a thing that exists

# ? Mar 11, 2023 18:47

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007

Teen Witch, are you ok?

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# ? Mar 11, 2023 22:22

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

i dont think asking if a poster who is the subject of some drama is doing alright in a more casual regional thread should be probed

rule II C 1 posted:

Don't post about posters. Arguments in D&D are meant to stand on their own rather than on the credibility of the posters who make them, because they are pseudonymous, and knowing forums lore should not be a requirement for participating in or understanding D&D. This rule is waived in cases where someone claims specific expertise in what they're talking about.

is clearly talking about posting about posters as a form of argument, which the post in question did not do

i dont think you intended anything bad but you seem a bit tactless sometimes

tempura to help make things nicer

Megamissen fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Mar 11, 2023

# ? Mar 11, 2023 23:03

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Megamissen posted:

i dont think asking if a poster who is the subject of some drama is doing alright in a more casual regional thread should be probed

What I'm probing is a specific goon (hint: rap sheet) plausibly looking for more drama, rather than a generic goon checking up on their posting buddy. Simply lacking the social skills to avoid keeping a subject of public consternation under a public spotlight is indeed not probatable.

# ? Mar 11, 2023 23:19

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007

cinci zoo sniper posted:

What I'm probing is a specific goon (hint: rap sheet) plausibly looking for more drama, rather than a generic goon checking up on their posting buddy. Simply lacking the social skills to avoid keeping a subject of public consternation under a public spotlight is indeed not probatable.

No, I am actually concerned for her well-being as I suspect we all are.

I sent a PM now instead.

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Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Mar 12, 2023

# ? Mar 12, 2023 07:09

BigglesSWE: Dec 2, 2014; How 'bout them hawks news huh!

https://twitter.com/veolenes/status/1634489986903949312?s=46&t=G1x8XWIwrNxUQoXItlkh2w

The best optics.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 13:33

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

Sylvi Listhaug is suddenly pro windmills. I wonder why.

# ? Mar 13, 2023 11:46

Wibla: Feb 16, 2011

Alhazred posted:

Sylvi Listhaug is suddenly pro windmills. I wonder why.

Yeah, that's a real mystery :v:

# ? Mar 13, 2023 12:42

evil_bunnY: Apr 2, 2003

Alhazred posted:

Sylvi Listhaug is suddenly pro windmills. I wonder why.

It's about loving the Sami over isn't it?

# ? Mar 13, 2023 13:51

Alhazred: Feb 16, 2011

evil_bunnY posted:

It's about loving the Sami over isn't it?

# ? Mar 13, 2023 16:24

Feliday Melody: May 8, 2021

https://twitter.com/AgnesWold/status/1635294214354530305

Eh what?

# ? Mar 13, 2023 19:34

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Feliday Melody posted:

https://twitter.com/AgnesWold/status/1635294214354530305

Eh what?

Folkligaste hon någonsin varit

# ? Mar 13, 2023 20:43

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