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mlmp08 posted:The craft come from the landing ship. LHD Landing Craft is in the name. The Abrams can be transported inside the ship. This is if you need an amphibious landing instead of going port to port on any number of ships.
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Caught between the West and Russia, could Georgia be the next Ukraine? How do you color revolution a country you already color revolution-ed onto yourside
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georgia is being dunked in the dye vat again.
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KomradeX posted:Caught between the West and Russia, could Georgia be the next Ukraine? after the color revolution comes the HD revolution and then the 4k revolution
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technicolor revolution
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KomradeX posted:Caught between the West and Russia, could Georgia be the next Ukraine? Easy, just like there was the Orange Revolution, the national will reasserted itself, and then Maidan, there was the Rose Revolution, the national will reasserted itself, they need another one to start a war with Russia.
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it's real weird how these completely organic and ostensibly pro-democracy and prosperity movements always end up with picking a fight with the great power next door as their most important policy 
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Filthy Hans posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1633087428876554244 lol, it was only a few days ago the government funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation put out a a two part series of articles where every expert they spoke to unanimously agreed we will get destroyed or at the least sent into some kind dark age if we sided with the US in a war with China, which our government probably would do anyway despite having nothing to gain and a very significant amount to lose.
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Racism is the most powerful force in Australia
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Well that and the emu confederation.
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Weka posted:Well that and the emu confederation. The Emus just wanted to live in peace
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Cuttlefush posted:free larry
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Redezga posted:lol, it was only a few days ago the government funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation put out a a two part series of articles where every expert they spoke to unanimously agreed we will get destroyed or at the least sent into some kind dark age if we sided with the US in a war with China, which our government probably would do anyway despite having nothing to gain and a very significant amount to lose. dat free speech as long as it doesn't affect capitalist anti-democratic policy
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:WW2 and Korea operated in a mono media environment where consent manufacturing was possible, but that was gone by the 70s even let along today ... ... what?
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PhilippAchtel posted:... what? here's my thesis - in the mid 20th century, there were fewer voices that could reach a national audience for both technical and cultural reasons. this allowed for greater consensus to be built around the need for the US to be at war, and for the public to be sold on the necessity for sacrifice. you could also use the Hallin's spheres model of consensus<>legitimate controversy<>deviance, where there were legitimate criticisms of US wars allowed but within defined bounds. the history of the last quarter of the 20th century saw the fragmentation of the media to the point where defining a centre point of consensus isn't possible any more. as a result I don't think you can get the public on board with the sacrifices that total war would mean.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:the history of the last quarter of the 20th century saw the fragmentation of the media to the point where defining a centre point of consensus isn't possible any more. lol
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idk about that. seems like it depends on who you're calling media and how you're defining consensus though. and possible. and some otehrs tuff maybe
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yeah I rewrote that sentence and it came out grammatically awkward, apologies. I didn't expect much pushback on that to be honest but obviously people disagree. Is it that you don't think a national consensus such as existed in WW2 (obviously a big target I just painted there) is needed for a ww3 total war, or that you think national consensus could be achieved if china blew up an aircraft carrier or something.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:here's my thesis - in the mid 20th century, there were fewer voices that could reach a national audience for both technical and cultural reasons. this allowed for greater consensus to be built around the need for the US to be at war, and for the public to be sold on the necessity for sacrifice. you could also use the Hallin's spheres model of consensus<>legitimate controversy<>deviance, where there were legitimate criticisms of US wars allowed but within defined bounds. the history of the last quarter of the 20th century saw the fragmentation of the media to the point where defining a centre point of consensus isn't possible any more. as a result I don't think you can get the public on board with the sacrifices that total war would mean. Yeah, you have two center points to keep it stable
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indigi posted:lol Yeah I'm also lmaoing at this, the country is loving thirsting for war with China, it's the only consensus political position left
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For a total war where people get drafted? Yeah, you might have a point but the powers that be shifted over to the poverty draft and now there's no problem when soldiers die because they signed a contract saying it was cool. And from a business perspective, total war would suck now anyway. The world economy isn't siloed like it was before and so two superpowers slugging it out would just hurt the highly intertwined capital class, so now we get proxy wars and whatever the gently caress you want to call Ukraine (half proxy war?)
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The last two times English and Ameircan societies fought a total war they were functioning societies. Today they are not and that is my sole encompassing reasoning for why the US cannot fight a total war in the modern era
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The Oldest Man posted:Yeah I'm also lmaoing at this, the country is loving thirsting for war with China, it's the only consensus political position left Even if it meant the end of the consumer economy? I guess this is the bit that isn't understood and needs to be communicated - total war war with China means no new iPhone next year, no more 4090s, no model year 2024 cars, no more anime, no more kpop. Btw this is an interesting conversation and I don't mind if people think my ideas are dumb, have at it.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Even if it meant the end of the consumer economy? I guess this is the bit that isn't understood and needs to be communicated - total war war with China means no new iPhone next year, no more 4090s, no model year 2024 cars, no more anime, no more kpop. The war with China stuff feels like the MIC going for one more big score, but it's hard to see how the remainder of the capital class lets anything get anywhere beyond sailing our big, expensive aircraft carriers around and the military waving their collective dicks out the portholes. I'd say there's political consensus that hating China is good, but look at how the rank and file politicians reacted when Trump decided to do trade war poo poo with China. There was broad, bipartisan consensus that he was loving it up for everyone and only minority on either side actually on board for that poo poo.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Even if it meant the end of the consumer economy? I guess this is the bit that isn't understood and needs to be communicated - total war war with China means no new iPhone next year, no more 4090s, no model year 2024 cars, no more anime, no more kpop. The failsons of the failsons of the failsons are in charge of the massive empire machine, they have no idea how to use it and think it works the same way their personal lives have. The original architects are all dead and anyone who still knows how it works is prevented from reaching any position of power or influence by the system itself. They are literally unable to join the dots between war with china and the end of the consumer economy because nobody who thinks like that is in charge of anything.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Even if it meant the end of the consumer economy? I guess this is the bit that isn't understood and needs to be communicated - total war war with China means no new iPhone next year, no more 4090s, no model year 2024 cars, no more anime, no more kpop. Nobody's doing the loving math on this dude, they just want blood
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Including elites who think they can shove their dicks right up to the bandsaw and everything will be fine because they're JIT-brained dipshits who don't understand some things can't be stopped once started and have never had to face a generational crisis of any kind
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Slavvy posted:The failsons of the failsons of the failsons are in charge of the massive empire machine, they have no idea how to use it and think it works the same way their personal lives have. The original architects are all dead and anyone who still knows how it works is prevented from reaching any position of power or influence by the system itself. They are literally unable to join the dots between war with china and the end of the consumer economy because nobody who thinks like that is in charge of anything. they are accusing china of the above fwiw  Press Briefing: Previewing China’s 14th National People's Congress www.csis.org posted:The other side of this is going to be on the appointment side, because you don’t have – once you announce policies, they have to be carried out. And I think one of the things that is going to be most important to watch are – is who gets the top jobs on the – in the econ bureaucracy. For the last 30-plus years, China’s economic performance has depended on very smart, wise, economic bureaucrats who have given political space to implement a whole variety of economic policies that are pragmatic. And it – there’s a worry that this era is coming to an end, certainly because of the overall direction and trajectory Xi Jinping wants to take the country, his emphasis on political loyalty above expertise. And so there is the question about whether this new team will have the capacity and space to be smart, pragmatic governors of the – stewards of the economy.
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The Late Victorian British Empire is interesting too because it invaded Ethiopia and Tibet for no real reasons anyone could explain or defend, just the failsons had started to take over, and they had all the machinery, so…
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Iran's got a new bote.
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Frosted Flake posted:The Late Victorian British Empire is interesting too because it invaded Ethiopia and Tibet for no real reasons anyone could explain or defend, just the failsons had started to take over, and they had all the machinery, so… Imagine growing up in an educational and social vacuum where everything you come into contact is Brookings or McKinsey-grade bullshit, and having no personal accountability for any of your actions or mistakes, and automatically being in charge by who you know and where you went to school, and then imagine that person raising a kid in the same bubble. That's where this motherfucker came from:  Run that cycle two or three more times and that's where we are now
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Wheeee posted:lmao if Iran's the first nation to sink an American nuclear carrier With the way the USN has been ramming into other ships and generally being incompetent, I dunno.
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Frosted Flake posted:The Late Victorian British Empire is interesting too because it invaded Ethiopia and Tibet for no real reasons anyone could explain or defend, just the failsons had started to take over, and they had all the machinery, so… Emperor Theodore (Amhara) of Abyssinia captured British missionaries because London wouldn’t pay attention to him( and send him toy trains), then he shot himself .The arms the British left behind were used to found the Ethiopian empire by Yohannes (Tigrayian) and Menelik (amharized Oromo) PawParole has issued a correction as of 03:41 on Mar 10, 2023 |
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Henry Kasandringer.Azathoth posted:For a total war where people get drafted? Yeah, you might have a point but the powers that be shifted over to the poverty draft and now there's no problem when soldiers die because they signed a contract saying it was cool. And from a business perspective, total war would suck now anyway. The world economy isn't siloed like it was before and so two superpowers slugging it out would just hurt the highly intertwined capital class, so now we get proxy wars and whatever the gently caress you want to call Ukraine (half proxy war?) The bottom income quartile is under represented in the military, the poverty draft isn't real. How is Ukraine not a full on proxy war?
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Weka posted:How is Ukraine not a full on proxy war? once china admits to sending russia deadly weapons MPL50 shovels it will be more clear its a usa vs prc proxy war
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