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moana posted:If you're going to pay for a second degree, you might want to know what the hell you are trying to get out of it, before paying for a second degree. Even more true of a first degree, really
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moana posted:If you're going to pay for a second degree, you might want to know what the hell you are trying to get out of it, before paying for a second degree. How do you get through AN ENTIRE SECOND DEGREE without, oh, I don't know, talking to professors or career counselors about what the gently caress you are going to do after you graduate? How do you not have a clear focus on what kind of job you want after specifically going back to school for a degree that can get you a job? This just boggles my mind. Lol yeah, I also missed that it was a second degree. Woof
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Mar 7, 2023 07:18
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Eric the Mauve posted:Even more true of a first degree, really Ideally, but I think it's really tough for a 22 year old who potentially never had a job and spent their 4 adult years in the strange, unique world of a college town to have a good frame of reference, and they probably had to make the decision to follow their degree when they were a literal child. I'd have more patience in that situation, but there's also more room for error. Someone further along in their life path, while there's always time, probably needs to be more focused.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:27
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It was more of a commentary on the dumbness of our entire societal system of making people make a gigantic decision that will massively determine the direction of their entire life when they're still teenagers and have no idea who they are or what they want, and because of its preposterous, exorbitant cost, is for most people irreversible.
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Mar 7, 2023 15:48
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Yeah, not everyone has a passion or a calling. I've known plenty of people who haven't. For them, the goal changes from "follow your star, if possible" to "get a job that pays a living wage". In a more just society, that might be any job at all. But that's not the one we live in. And as a computer toucher myself, I wouldn't fault anyone who decided they wanted to [re]train as a 'common lowlands code monkey'* because they heard it pays all right. There's room for lots of people in this trade**, and people needing computers trained isn't going away. *To quote that one music video. **I honestly think programming counts as a trade, like plumbing or welding, that picked up an exalted reputation somewhere along the way. Don't knock it till you've thought about it.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:04
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nomad2020 posted:if you know which end of the wrench is dangerous Eric the Mauve posted:It was more of a commentary on the dumbness of our entire societal system of making people make a gigantic decision that will massively determine the direction of their entire life when they're still teenagers and have no idea who they are or what they want, and because of its preposterous, exorbitant cost, is for most people irreversible.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:30
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My mom wanted me to be a teacher because she didn't think working with computers and code would be a feasible living.
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Mar 7, 2023 18:45
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Arquinsiel posted:I gotta know, is it both ends? I’m gonna go with the open end, if you’re going to strip the bolt it’s going to be with that end.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:38
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I'm taking that as a challenge. BRB.
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Mar 7, 2023 19:48
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I had a second interview with a company called Points today. The first interview was one of those fluff jobs with the recruiter to make sure you're not a sociopath or whatever. That went well enough that she told me at the end that she was going to get me a second interview. Fortunately this one didn't have any coding tests or anything, blech. It was mainly for the Main Data Guy to get an idea of what I've done in my 5-year data journey. This guy seemed very reserved, but I didn't let that dissuade me. At the beginning, I crowbarred in a statement about how I looked up the company on Glassdoor and how there was an overwhelming amount of glowing reviews for the company and how I was eager to be part of that. He mentioned that he was impressed that I had done my homework on the company. He asked about finding the right data solution for a client and, on top of the technical stuff, I told him that one of Points' five core values was 'foster collaboration' and how important it was to involve the team in those kinds of decisions. I also hammered home the importance of soft skills - like communication and diplomacy - which are often lost on programming nerds like us (not my exact words). I made sure to mention how much I like learning new things and how I got an AWS cert out of self-study - I then mentioned that this was the same AWS certification that he had, and he seemed impressed by this (despite the fact that this is almost 'creepy stalker' levels of research). Finally, I even got the guy to smile and make jokes about tech debt in their department. Hopefully it's not a crippling level of tech debt, but it would nevertheless beat the 'zero' level of data engineering work I'm doing now!
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Mar 7, 2023 21:22
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Seventh Arrow posted:I had a second interview with a company called Points today. The first interview was one of those fluff jobs with the recruiter to make sure you're not a sociopath or whatever. That went well enough that she told me at the end that she was going to get me a second interview. Buy yourself a beer, man. Good job!
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Mar 7, 2023 21:37
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Red posted:Buy yourself a beer, man. Good job! Thanks!  I think the key to these kinds of interviews is to go above and beyond the technical stuff and show that you have a real passion for fixing stuff and learning. There's a lot of competition, so it's imperative to stand out somehow. Actually, that reminds me of an interview I had last week. The invite email went out of its way to say that there is no specific dress code, wear what you want. So I wore a t-shirt that said "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" and one of the interviewers turned out to be a huge IT Crowd fan, which worked out nicely.
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Mar 7, 2023 21:52
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Seventh Arrow posted:Thanks! Fascinating; would you mind posting the screenshot of that invite text (minus any identifying info)?
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Thanks! That was well worded, and your response was perfect. 
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Devonaut posted:So hey my telltale HR friend (or as I call it, Schroedinger's job offer), did you ever get closure on that? Verbal offer came last friday, written one due Now(TM). Company: Hey Beefeater1980, can you fill in our background check app to speed things up? Me: [fills it in until it asks for my current manager’s contact details]. Nice try guys, you’re getting that when I have my written offer and have resigned.
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Mar 9, 2023 05:43
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Why do they need that at all, ever?
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two weeks ago I did a skills test and was told that last week, I’d hear back. last week on 28th that I’d hear back this week, as they have more interviews and tests go to though. Still nothing. I don’t think I got the job 🎉 E: finally confirmed, I knew kvetching would summon it. I just wish I was told earlier. teen witch fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 9, 2023 |
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Unsinkabear posted:Why do they need that at all, ever? It’s so weird. The way you confirm someone actually does what they claim at their current shop is to email HR and get back a bland confirmation “Yes, Beefeater was employed here between X and Y and held the position Z”.
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I had a second interview today with the company that handles the Highway 407 ETR here in Ontario, Canada. If you know anything about Ontario, you've probably heard that taking Highway 401 through Mississauga/Toronto can be a gridlock nightmare, so I was able to truthfully tell them how much I like their product. The first half was with an Agile scrum master, so I was able to regale them with tales of my adventures in data engineering. That went well. The second half was with a developer and was what I call a "trivia night" interview. This is where some turbonerd asks you about minutiae that you usually don't think about in your day-to-day. "What is the default timeout period when making API calls to Salesforce?", "How would you implement a slowly-changing dimension table?" "What's the difference between Gen1 and Gen2 Azure Data Lake Storage?", "What would you do if you needed to change the schema of the JSON file being ingested?" Like I get that they have to filter out dummies who can't even do "Hello World" in a programming language, but these kinds of "trifling detail" questions always seem shortsighted to me. Anyways, I tried to never just say "I don't know" and leave it at that. I would at least say that I would love to learn more, or that I could look up the answer. In the end, I think he was just seeing how well I handled difficult questions under pressure. He even said that I did well, which was a relief because I was sure that he was going to end the interview by shoving my resume into an industrial shredder. So if you're applying for a tech position and you get questions like this where you don't exactly know the answer, then I think my best advice is to not lose hope, stand your ground, and answer as best as you can. It's ok to admit that there's things you don't know, but at least try to show that you're willing to learn and adapt.
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Is there a consensus on two-column resumes? I switched over to this style several years ago and I like the look of it, and the application auto-filler bots handle it about as well as a normal resume, but as part of my second-to-last layoff I got a service to help with my job search and my personal coach was like "ugh no just make it normal" Here it is antonymized: 
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Mar 9, 2023 20:19
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The consensus is quote:ugh no just make it normal
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Friend posted:Is there a consensus on two-column resumes? I switched over to this style several years ago and I like the look of it, and the application auto-filler bots handle it about as well as a normal resume, but as part of my second-to-last layoff I got a service to help with my job search and my personal coach was like "ugh no just make it normal" I don't mind 2 column, I think they're fine. That example is too wordy though. I'd have the left side be more bullet detail stuff (education, skill summary, contact info) and then the main section be experience. Ultimately, I don't think layout matters as much as readability. 2 Column can be readable or not.
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TheWevel posted:The consensus is Lockback posted:I don't mind 2 column, I think they're fine. That example is too wordy though. I'd have the left side be more bullet detail stuff (education, skill summary, contact info) and then the main section be experience. Yeah looking at it in a smaller form made me realize you're totally right about the wordiness. Dropped it down to just two paragraphs, bulleted my skills, and added education. Thanks!
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Friend posted:Is there a consensus on two-column resumes? I switched over to this style several years ago and I like the look of it, and the application auto-filler bots handle it about as well as a normal resume, but as part of my second-to-last layoff I got a service to help with my job search and my personal coach was like "ugh no just make it normal" this is fine imo
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Friend posted:Is there a consensus on two-column resumes? I switched over to this style several years ago and I like the look of it, and the application auto-filler bots handle it about as well as a normal resume, but as part of my second-to-last layoff I got a service to help with my job search and my personal coach was like "ugh no just make it normal"
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Beefeater1980 posted:Verbal offer came last friday, written one due Now(TM). That's progress at least! My background check required me to provide proof of my COVID vaccine from like 22 months ago, which they still consider to be "fully vaccinated".
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Is there any benefit to including a bullet point for each employer in my resume stating what the company does? Like “This company makes these specialized widgets for the defence industry”? Asking because the last few places I worked have very little web presence and their company names have confused interviewers about the nature of their business.
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melon cat posted:Is there any benefit to including a bullet point for each employer in my resume stating what the company does? Like “This company makes these specialized widgets for the defence industry”? Asking because the last few places I worked have very little web presence and their company names have confused interviewers about the nature of their business. In your case, probably yea
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Yeah probably. A line explaining what the role was or industry context is fine. You probably don't need to make your resume a term paper on your industries but context is usually good.
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melon cat posted:Is there any benefit to including a bullet point for each employer in my resume stating what the company does? Like “This company makes these specialized widgets for the defence industry”? Asking because the last few places I worked have very little web presence and their company names have confused interviewers about the nature of their business. I always make my first bullet a one-sentence summary of the key elements of what I did and the position, even in a known company. My philosophy is that the if you removed all bullets but the first, anyone talking to you would understand the content of what you did. Also, helps with the skimming. I've seen plenty of resumes that I have no idea what the person "did", but I know like.. the technologies and poo poo they used to do some mystery thing. So, no, don't put "This company makes these specialized widgets for the defence industry", put "Developed technical subsystem X for land widgets, air widgets, and sea widgets, for F500 defense companies." Basically describe the company in terms of what you do. It's the elevator pitch of bullet points.
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melon cat posted:Is there any benefit to including a bullet point for each employer in my resume stating what the company does? Like “This company makes these specialized widgets for the defence industry”? Asking because the last few places I worked have very little web presence and their company names have confused interviewers about the nature of their business.
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I wouldn't have an issue with like Deputy Assistant Quality Assurance Tester Fozziwig's (a privately held rubber chicken manufacturer) 1843-1847, London UK
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m0therfux0r posted:Alright! Got my first "I accidentally left another company's name in my cover letter for a job I was actually qualified for" of the year out of the way. Lmao. This company ended up being the first company I applied to recently that contacted me to set up an initial phone screen interview- I'll be talking to them tomorrow afternoon.
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I got off the phone with a recruiter today and was a bit startled because Bell Canada - a gigantic corporation that can practically print their own money at this point - wants an experienced data engineer and the rate maximum is $90k. I made sure it wasn't an entry level position:quote:Basic Qualifications And you have to be on-site 3 days a week, and also go onsite to do some hackerrank coding test. I had another recruiter contact me for a similar role at Toronto-Dominion Bank and it starts at $120k. Fully remote. It just seems incredibly delusional. I also looked them up on Glassdoor and it wasn't just a case of the recruiter lowballing me. edit: ok it's not really interview related per se, but I was so taken aback I felt the need to tell someone other than my Dad's dog
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nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNy MoRe
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ultrafilter posted:nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNy MoRe 
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ultrafilter posted:nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNy MoRe Oh and just to add to the grumble, I saw a series of entry level IT postings for University of Maryland's Medical system pop up last week. They had three individual postings with varying requirements that I applied for. One that I exceeded, one that I just met, and another that was a stretch. They rejected me for all three unceremoniously the next day at various points throughout the day, so I know it was likely someone in HR doing their thing and not just ATS.  Anyways, I have no idea how the gently caress some of these requirements are drawn up, because I've had positions that I was under qualified for reach out and interview me, and others that I met or exceeded immediately reject me. On a more positive note, had another phone interview today for an entry level IT position with a grocery store chain. Went fine as far as I could tell, though now I need to wait a week to find out if I'm going to be asked to come in for an in-person interview or not. The HR person asked why I wanted to switch into IT and I think I gave a solid enough answer, though I wish I got more technical questions so I could go into more detail. I ended up just sending a thank you email saying "I thought more about your question, and I just wanted to elaborate insert poo poo about Ralph toying with homelabs and networking gear here. The decision to move into IT is recent, but the drive to learn and experiment with the subject matter has always been there." Worst case scenario, I don't get the job, and I'm back to square one.
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The posted requirements for the job aren't always a great indicator of what the actual requirements are. As a rule of thumb, people care more about the ones listed first, but that's not universal at all. You also don't know anything about other applicants, or the competence of the HR person who does that first pass.
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You're absolutely right, I don't know any of that. I'm just blowing off steam.
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