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Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?
And as for livable places, Finland could be an option, especially if you are an EU citizen. Housing prizes are lower than the UK generally and as the housing regulations are stricter the quality is better. It can be much colder here in the winter, though.

The IT job market is always hiring and so is the healthcare field, but the former tends to have better pay and conditions. Labour legislation is more favourable to the working people, partially due to the proportional election system that prevents single party governments. Heaven this ain't, but is does have some things going for it.

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Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Ataxerxes posted:

And as for livable places, Finland could be an option, especially if you are an EU citizen. Housing prizes are lower than the UK generally and as the housing regulations are stricter the quality is better. It can be much colder here in the winter, though.

Do you need to know the language already, or will they hire on the basis that you'll learn it once you arrive?

Do you have an idea what regulations are for bringing animals over?

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Can't see this happening given how much MPs, govt ministers, cops etc use Whatsapp & I'm not convinced most of them would have the know-how to get round it with a VPN.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/whatsapp-uk-ban-online-safety-bill-update-b2297496.html

It was always doomed to fail. Was just a case of if it failed before or after it was signed in.

Julio Cruz posted:

people on FB seem to be pushing this:

https://action.electoral-reform.org.uk/page/123606/petition/1

I haven't yet suggested crossing out "male supermajority in the"

If women want to get into the lords they can bribe their way in like everyone else, it's only fair.

Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?

Angrymog posted:

Do you need to know the language already, or will they hire on the basis that you'll learn it once you arrive?

Do you have an idea what regulations are for bringing animals over?

Nope, Finnish is very hard to learn and while some jobs do require it especially in the IT field it isn't needed. If you decide to stick around for good you are sort of expected to pick it up but that will take time.

As for pets you can bring them but the person who transports the animal must be the one who owns it and it might be inspected by a vet. Ruokavirasto.fi is the website that shows the kind of paperwork you need. For some reason transporting pets falls under the Food Department.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
US: We'll ban TikTok for being a security risk.
UK: We'll ban WhatsApp for being secure.

Remarkable scenes.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Danger - Octopus! posted:

A friend lived in Vietnam for a good few years and married a Vietnamese woman, but moved back to the UK late 2010s.....


and also apparently the drinking culture is extremely problematic if you are remotely prone to having trouble that way. He always liked a drink but I think he was finding it hard not to head towards alcoholism, basically. That could, of course, just be him and the people he knew and worked with there.

Not to have a go at you personally, Danger - Octopus!, since I dont think this was your meaning, but one interpretation of the part in bold is that it's your friends fault that he was putting himself in situation where he was heading towards alcoholism.
I am not on expert on the subject but I have worked with a lot of people who have had serious problems with alchol, and I think it's becoming more and more accepted wisdom that it's a health and society issue as a whole.

In my view, society maybe needs to understand that alchol is a thing where 5/10/15/whatever % of the population will never be able to "just drink responsibily" (through no fault of their own) and that society as a whole has to seriously consider "is it fair to build a huge social structure around this activity that just marginalised or outright harms a good number of people."

I mean the same is true of other "vices" (smoking, drug use, gambling, porn, putting Cadbury Cream Eggs up ones bum) but it's just a part of a larger, difficult discourse society needs to have at some stage.

Since the current attitude of "we don't want to talk about this. Let's just keep engaging in this as a coping mechanism to help ourselves in dealing with mental health issues arising from our capitalist societies, while also enriching certain industry" isn't working.

Anyway, I'm not having a go at you. Rather saying it's good for your friend that he saw this problem and was able to remove himself from it. But it sucks that society put him in that situation in the first place.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Guavanaut posted:

US: We'll ban TikTok for being a security risk.
UK: We'll ban WhatsApp for being secure.

Remarkable scenes.

I saw people claiming critics of the bill are "going to bat for big tech" and god drat did it boil my piss.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH
Are we going to ban SSL too?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Mega Comrade posted:

I saw people claiming critics of the bill are "going to bat for big tech" and god drat did it boil my piss.
Those sort of claims deserve equally good faith responses.

Why's it big tech if it can fit in my pocket, huh? Big tech should be reserved for Luftschiffbau Zeppelin.

Checkmate, dirigibles :smug:

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Tesseraction posted:

South London is, at least from my family's experience (based in Norwood), where the paups are meant to rot in misery while commuting to provide services to the rich closer/north of the river.

Any South London goons can feel free to counter me but coming from a nowhere town to visit family in South London was astounded how lovely the area was compared to my glorified car park for the train station.

Oh South London
Is beautiful
Oh South London
Is beautiful
Oh South London
Is beautiful
It's full tits, arse, and Palace
Oh South London is beautiful
Eagles!

I am a South Londoner. There are good bits and bad bits like all of London. Lambeth is on the rougher side but we are gentrifying, but the problem is all the money is spent on North London or the north of South London. Just take a look at the tube map!

Ultimately, we are a decent lot that just want the best for our area, our community, and our kids. We have some exceptional cultural spaces but also grinding poverty.

I really do wish there was a collectivist party that wasn't sciencephobic that I could join but I just have to live with the fact that I have brought humans into the end times of a once okish country.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Why do they need to ban WhatsApp again? I thought all 5 eyes intel basically had backdoor access to everything anyway?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Curtain twitcher groups having a normal one about the sex ed story.



"Communism is when we reduce child exploitation, teen pregnancy, and relationship harm, then we steal all the food while you're shouting deranged bullshit at a teacher." - Karl Marx (Communist)

You can tell it's true because I read a book. Well, the title of a book.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

keep punching joe posted:

Why do they need to ban WhatsApp again? I thought all 5 eyes intel basically had backdoor access to everything anyway?

People keep on leaking their huge backlog of Crime Group Chats.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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keep punching joe posted:

Why do they need to ban WhatsApp again? I thought all 5 eyes intel basically had backdoor access to everything anyway?

People who don't understand what end-to-end encryption is or does aren't getting invited to those meetings.

It's like id cards, there must be three guys high up in the home office who settled on banning strong encryption as a way to solve some trivial problem twenty years ago and every time there's a new home secretary they pitch it again.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

keep punching joe posted:

Why do they need to ban WhatsApp again? I thought all 5 eyes intel basically had backdoor access to everything anyway?
The ministers pushing for it are dumb as poo poo and believed the data harvesting companies who presented the issue to them as "the police won't be able to see these messages" but actually want data harvesting laws loosened and encryption got rid of. Is what I suspect.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

The Question IRL posted:

Not to have a go at you personally, Danger - Octopus!, since I dont think this was your meaning, but one interpretation of the part in bold is that it's your friends fault that he was putting himself in situation where he was heading towards alcoholism.
I am not on expert on the subject but I have worked with a lot of people who have had serious problems with alchol, and I think it's becoming more and more accepted wisdom that it's a health and society issue as a whole.

In my view, society maybe needs to understand that alchol is a thing where 5/10/15/whatever % of the population will never be able to "just drink responsibily" (through no fault of their own) and that society as a whole has to seriously consider "is it fair to build a huge social structure around this activity that just marginalised or outright harms a good number of people."

I mean the same is true of other "vices" (smoking, drug use, gambling, porn, putting Cadbury Cream Eggs up ones bum) but it's just a part of a larger, difficult discourse society needs to have at some stage.

Since the current attitude of "we don't want to talk about this. Let's just keep engaging in this as a coping mechanism to help ourselves in dealing with mental health issues arising from our capitalist societies, while also enriching certain industry" isn't working.

Anyway, I'm not having a go at you. Rather saying it's good for your friend that he saw this problem and was able to remove himself from it. But it sucks that society put him in that situation in the first place.

Ah no, I definitely didn't mean it the way it could have been interpreted, but good points you make and totally agree.

I guess a better way of putting it would be that some of the accepted social stigmas that already exist around drinking simply aren't there in Vietnam, from what he said. It's kind of in the same way that it's been noticeably easier for people I know who smoked to give up once the social structures around it and general acceptance of it as a thing that happens everywere and that work days were organised around in some places started being brought down.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

keep punching joe posted:

Why do they need to ban WhatsApp again? I thought all 5 eyes intel basically had backdoor access to everything anyway?

Contrary to :tinfoil: the government doesn't have nearly as much access as they would like. This attack on end to end encryption dates back decades, but the arguments of catching standard criminals or terrorists haven't worked.

So now it's "think of the children"!

That any solution would be completely unworkable doesn't seem to register.

Danger - Octopus!
Apr 20, 2008


Nap Ghost

Mega Comrade posted:

That any solution would be completely unworkable doesn't seem to register.

This just makes it a better government project because you can get news headlines, hand money to companies owned by mates to draw up plans and never have to worry about actually delivering

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Mega Comrade posted:

That any solution would be completely unworkable doesn't seem to register.
The biggest issue to them is not workability, or how internet transactions would work. The biggest issue is trying to work out how they get complete unaccountability and privacy for themselves, and absolute transparency for everyone else.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

One explicit example is David Cameron saying that it's terrible that there are messages flying around that the government can't read. As in "can't" not "aren't really allowed to unless you pinky promise it's about terrorism".

The Code Book by the melty but useful Simon Singh is a good history of codes and encryption. Basically, for most of history a government could use its position to employ the best boffins and give them massive resources to break codes (see: Turing et al), so they could expect to (eventually) read most of what they intercept.

Then some other boffins invented RSA encryption, which uses the fact that you can trivially multiply two enormous prime numbers together to make an even more massive not-prime number, but there's no equivalent mathematical function to do the reverse - i.e. tell you which 2 prime numbers the result is made of. This seemingly uniquely one-way function allows things to be encrypted in a theoretically-in-practice unbreakable way; simply choose big enough prime numbers that brute-forcing it would take thousands of years with even GCHQ's resources, and you're safe.

This encryption underpins all modern network security (websites, online payments, passwords...) and is very much binary - either it's done properly, or not. Governments choose to ignore this and demand tech companies put in "back doors", which is a bit like a perfect code lock with a backup key cylinder that can be raked open by a novice lockpicker (see: almost any Lock Picking Lawyer video). In some cases, tech companies can also hold a key, nominally for convenience, e.g. if you lose your password they can get you back into your account. But privacy-conscious services can let you opt out of this, e.g. I just activate Apple's advanced security thing, which means they can't access my data at all, and I have a recovery code. If I lose all my passwords and codes, bye bye account and data.

And of course think-of-the-children gets wheeled out as a reason to blast a hole in all security ever.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
There's also the other end of RSA, that if you can one way encrypt something so that only you can read it, you can one way sign something so that only you could have signed it.

That's a keystone of proving who you are online, and governments don't talk much about it because it's not secret and spooky and occult like hidden messages, there's no way to spin 'proving who you are' as a scary thing. But either both work or neither do.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1634075451365761024

The ECHR was set up after WW2 to stop the rise of fascism from taking place on European soil again. So are the government admitting they are fascists now?

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

we’re well into the cult stage where they’re deliberately going harder and harder to spin off weaker members and maintain a central cohort of ultras

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


I wonder if the government had maybe considered that actual paedos or terrorists with something to hide might use their own encryption rather than just rely on facebook messenger.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1634075451365761024

The ECHR was set up after WW2 to stop the rise of fascism from taking place on European soil again. So are the government admitting they are fascists now?

I've heard subtler dogwhistles for fascism than "British values"

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Sir Sidney Poitier posted:

I wonder if the government had maybe considered that actual paedos or terrorists with something to hide might use their own encryption rather than just rely on facebook messenger.

Well they should, paedophiles are pretty much darknet pioneers. But there's something with this

quote:

To maintain their cover, undercover detectives were posting and sharing abuse material on Childs Play. Other users continued to post and view images while the site was under police control.
that I'm not perfectly comfortable with. Sure hope that 'material' wasn't actually documented abuse of minors.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Just tried to get some shopping in and found I couldn't drive up my driveway, that's a first.

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


I can't believe Suella, who got really upset about being called a nazi for having nazi views the other day, who also says her dream is to send people to rwanda, is a big fan of the ol' fascism

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1634144082078334977?s=19

An Englishman is visiting, better get the cold deep fried food out and make him eat it like the dog he is.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Well they should, paedophiles are pretty much darknet pioneers. But there's something with this

that I'm not perfectly comfortable with. Sure hope that 'material' wasn't actually documented abuse of minors.

It was. The cops ran the CP site for longer than the person they investigated.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

The Question IRL posted:

Not to have a go at you personally, Danger - Octopus!, since I dont think this was your meaning, but one interpretation of the part in bold is that it's your friends fault that he was putting himself in situation where he was heading towards alcoholism.
I am not on expert on the subject but I have worked with a lot of people who have had serious problems with alchol, and I think it's becoming more and more accepted wisdom that it's a health and society issue as a whole.

In my view, society maybe needs to understand that alchol is a thing where 5/10/15/whatever % of the population will never be able to "just drink responsibily" (through no fault of their own) and that society as a whole has to seriously consider "is it fair to build a huge social structure around this activity that just marginalised or outright harms a good number of people."

I mean the same is true of other "vices" (smoking, drug use, gambling, porn, putting Cadbury Cream Eggs up ones bum) but it's just a part of a larger, difficult discourse society needs to have at some stage.

Since the current attitude of "we don't want to talk about this. Let's just keep engaging in this as a coping mechanism to help ourselves in dealing with mental health issues arising from our capitalist societies, while also enriching certain industry" isn't working.

Anyway, I'm not having a go at you. Rather saying it's good for your friend that he saw this problem and was able to remove himself from it. But it sucks that society put him in that situation in the first place.

I've just quit booze (I'm not going to say "for good" because that's tempting fate, but for the foreseeable future) and already it's wearing on me the extent to which a lot of social spaces and situations are just going to be perpetually difficult for me to be in/around. My family is bound together by the bottle; it's the only thing we have in common. Same with a lot of friends. I've not told any of them yet because they're going to look at me like I've just grown an extra head.

After the excitement of the first week after I made the decision (which I can only liken to that bit where Smeagol tells Gollum to gently caress off - "I'm free!!") I'm now kinda grappling with the reality of the situation. Walking past pubs, in particular, makes me feel really sad.

It wouldn't be so bad if it was socially and legally acceptable to use other intoxicants in public/social situations, but no - we, as a society, have decided that only the most addictive and destructive drugs are allowed. Oh, and caffeine, which is poo poo in its own way.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1634144082078334977?s=19

An Englishman is visiting, better get the cold deep fried food out and make him eat it like the dog he is.

Make starmer eat a munch box and a 2 litre of bru, then maybe I'll consider voting for him (aside - i won't).

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

keep punching joe posted:

Make starmer eat a munch box and a 2 litre of bru, then maybe I'll consider voting for him (aside - i won't).

Starmer would be improved by completely solidified arteries.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

Make starmer eat a munch box and a 2 litre of bru, then maybe I'll consider voting for him (aside - i won't).

That'd rule. Make him puke

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1634144082078334977?s=19

An Englishman is visiting, better get the cold deep fried food out and make him eat it like the dog he is.

Fried Grease Containers at the Whistle-Stop Crap-day

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

sinky posted:

Starmer would be improved by completely solidified arteries.

*pointing at Starmer's ham red face*

It'll go more red.

Massive tone shift incoming

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1634152174325301251?s=19

Fiona Bruce going "Ah he only battered her once and left her in the hospital, it was a once off" is especially egregious because it wasn't a one off, according to multiple sources including Boris Johnson's biographer quoting Boris Johnson's mother he assaulted her numerous times, landing her in the hospital once.

This is on top of Stanley making the young servant women work naked like an especially dark Carry On film.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


Ataxerxes posted:

Yea, that was very likely me. Played some sort of lion humanoid fighter, if memory serves. David was and still is a nice fellow but I never much cared for Tony.

The University of Aberdeen, for some reason, sent people to advertise at Finnish student fairs in the early 2000's which is how I ended up there. It was much easier to get into a History Bachelor's program than in Finnish university and due to the way things were with the SAAS and the EU you didn't need to pay tuition fees as an EU citizen. A far few Finns ended up studying in Aberdeen and Scotland in general.

Well holy poo poo, I’ve had people I know turn out to be non-posting goons, but first time I’ve had a goon turn out to be someone I used to know.

Tony was.. weird af and frankly often gross as hell, but was always a good friend to me. Sadly he died unexpectedly back in 2015.

Kind of scary tbh how long ago our time there was now. Getting old sucks.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1634139219932192768

:allears:

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Absolute scum behaviour, but at least Bruce has a good Alibhai

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kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always


what exactly does he think MSM means

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