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Ardennes posted:A lot of the manufacturing in Mexico and Vietnam is either done by Chinese companies or using Chinese components. China just produces a ton of everything. yes and I think that continuing is a better scenario. unfortunately that’s starting to change. we will get to see what that change really looks like in about a decade I’d think.
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Mandoric posted:End of history ate those, too, is my impression. The last federal triumph was for the Gulf War, and the rural Northeast is weird to begin with + where I grew up specifically was apparently the creme de la creme of National Guard both infantry and armored + also where I grew up has a huge complex about being the turning point in the Saratoga campaign, but they usually had a presence including a tank or two and a few M35s to roll to the local parades until around then. Around the time this was dying off a shitload of towns around me started putting in veterans memorials, and now it seems like every little town has one. Usually it's just some carved granite but one nearby has an actual decommissioned Huey in it.
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I just remembered that NYC had a tickertape Parade for the troops after the Gulf War ended Lol Korean War veterans got one two weeks later
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Bar Ran Dun posted:the west moving away from Chinese imports right now. The factories are literally being imported right. 
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Bar Ran Dun posted:the west moving away from Chinese imports right now. The factories are literally being imported right. The west? Europe certainly isn't now that it's energy supply is scrap.
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genericnick posted:The west? Europe certainly isn't now that it's energy supply is scrap. Listen the Europes MIC is booming right now, therefore no problems.
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KomradeX posted:Listen the Europes MIC is booming right now, therefore no problems. Aluminum is generally useful for military production but I’m no expert.
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I often am watching it happen in person on the waterfront. though these days more only when they gently caress up in some way.
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They will build all of those factories in the west and then use them as inefficiently and badly as they possibly can because having stuff is not the problem. I know this is difficult to grasp because your life revolves around moving stuff around but you need to be able to actually use what you have. Nobody in the west is going to match Chinese production even if you gave them an equivalent amount of factories and raw materials in one go, the system itself makes that impossible.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:saw this new U.S. army recruitment ad. what's interesting about it is that it seems to take some inspiration from PLA videos with the parade of vehicles they're rehashing an old campaign from the 80s that some middle aged troops are nostalgic for. Army looks to popular ’80s slogan to help recruiting | Federal News Network federalnewsnetwork.com posted:
Unfortunately they don't have much to work with beyond that: quote:The Army names a series of different issues that caused its recruiting shortfalls. Only 23% of the population between ages 17 to 24, that are eligible for recruiting, can actually meet Army entrance standards.
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mawarannahr posted:they're rehashing an old campaign from the 80s that some middle aged troops are nostalgic for. quote:The slogan features in a new ad campaign meant to appeal to Generation Z and their parents. quote:"And as a child of the 80s, I am super excited that we are bringing back a reinvented version of ‘be all you can be.’” Finger on the pulse of America's youth
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Frosted Flake posted:Aluminum is generally useful for military production but I’m no expert. Surely stock prices are whats most important to armament production, not silly old fashioned things like productive capacity and raw materials, those things aren't even on the blockchain! KomradeX has issued a correction as of 00:16 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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The recruitment thing is a perfect example of what Slavvy is talking about. What actually drives recruitment and retention? Primarily, salary, benefits, conditions of service. Secondarily, housing, education, benefits for spouse and dependants, social prestige (which is directly related to the above and particularly how it pays compared to civilian jobs).  This is a loving joke. So what did they do? Made an ad hoping that a desire to "be all you can be" (but not materially!) will somehow get people to agree to get shot at for peanuts. Neoliberalism offers dick all, on like an ideological level, and they don't realize when that fucks up their attempts to wage war.
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Frosted Flake posted:The recruitment thing is a perfect example of what Slavvy is talking about. Lol median income per capita is like $38k. So destroying your soul by directly participating in an engine of genocide is worth upwards of $10k/year.
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I'm more surprised there's specified payment for hypothetical 8-year privates.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:China’s growth is export driven. acting in a way that starts causing barriers to exports restricts their future growth. "international" How could China get closer to the west? It's not an option without destroying their own economy so it doesn't surpass America's.
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Danann posted:I'm more surprised there's specified payment for hypothetical 8-year privates. My privates are nearly 40!
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Danann posted:I'm more surprised there's specified payment for hypothetical 8-year privates.
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I think we've had conversations about this in other threads before but China produces more steel than every other country on the planet combined, and the second and third place producers are the I and the R in 'BRICS' (with the B at 10, and Iran sitting at #11) obviously that's just one commodity and you can't eat steel, but it is really not an exaggeration to call China the 'workshop of the world', the disparity there is loving absurd. and you can't just move all that production back to the US or wherever, the process of deindustrialization was a decades-long and extremely thorough gutting of everything that made it possible for the US to once fill that role. The factories were not just closed, they were stripped bare, the firms that once operated them restructured, the skilled labor that once worked them is all dead or retired, the unions that once helped to maintain the necessary benefits and protections to make someone willing to work those jobs have been neutered, the public education system that created suitable new recruits for those positions has been sabotaged, the railroads that moved raw materials in and finished goods out are completely loving decrepit, and the government has neither the power to compel private industry to solve any of those problems nor the will to fix any of them itself. Danann posted:I'm more surprised there's specified payment for hypothetical 8-year privates. sometimes people get busted down if they commit an egregious crime or otherwise really gently caress up Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 01:11 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Danann posted:I'm more surprised there's specified payment for hypothetical 8-year privates. A private gets booted out if they're still a private at 5 years of service, so that's why the 6 and 8 year scale are the same as the 4-year scale. This booting is retroactive if someone gets reduce in rank. Hatebag posted:Lol median income per capita is like $38k. So destroying your soul by directly participating in an engine of genocide is worth upwards of $10k/year. If a junior soldier gets married in a very low cost of living zip code, they're getting about $18,000 of tax free pay. This in no way incentivizes people to get into unwise marriages in order to get paid more and move out of the barracks. So in a very cheap zip code, a married E-4 with 3 years of service takes home $57,000 a year, but is taxed as if they only earn $35K/year. More in an expensive zip code. An unmarried E-4 takes home only $40,500/year, taxed as if they earn $35K/year, and lives in a barracks. E: technically not linked to marriage, linked to having a dependent, which can mean single parent, caring for an adult, etc. But the most common form is marriage. An unmarried 19-year old PV2 with one year of service is earning about $31K/year and lives in a barracks. mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:saw this new U.S. army recruitment ad. what's interesting about it is that it seems to take some inspiration from PLA videos with the parade of vehicles get a messed up life and an ugly wife in the arrrrrmy
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Mister Bates posted:I think we've had conversations about this in other threads before but China produces more steel than every other country on the planet combined, and the second and third place producers are the R and the I in 'BRICS' (with the B at 10, and Iran sitting at #11) Switch your I and R lol.
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Weka posted:"international" that’s what should have happened. they should have surpassed Americas economy. that’s the best outcome for everybody.
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How much of the US economy is weirdo rent extrapolation?
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less than the thread opinion , but more than it should be.
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Azathoth posted:Around the time this was dying off a shitload of towns around me started putting in veterans memorials, and now it seems like every little town has one. Usually it's just some carved granite but one nearby has an actual decommissioned Huey in it. I live in upstate NY and every podunk population 1k village has its own VFW, each with some decommissioned hardware. usually it's AA guns or artillery, but the one near me has an entire tank just sitting in the parking lot.
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You can't fight a war with financial services, so I don't really get what the argument is here. The US makes some things, sure. Enough for a major conventional war? Not even close. That's beyond the myriad of social issues. Neoliberalism destroyed anything people might fight for. For technocratically administered bushfire wars, that was fine. It doesn't work for major conflicts. Soldiers are fundamentally labour, and meeting labour's needs is anathema to the ruling class. Just like they're flailing around with the "tight labour market", looking for any solution but offering better wages, they're not going to be able to recruit the million man army they'd need, particularly when coffins start coming home.
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Frosted Flake posted:You can't fight a war with financial services, so I don't really get what the argument is here. The US makes some things, sure. Enough for a major conventional war? *combining prison-industrial and military-industrial complexes in a reactor* yeah just a sec
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Tankbuster posted:How much of the US economy is weirdo rent extrapolation? 90%. China is a much larger economy than the US, we just have a bunch of bullshit accounting tricking to saybours is larger cause people that push around money to make more money are obviously more important than steel production. Its the same problem that people thought Russia could be crippled cause it has a smaller economy than California. Except Russia actually still produces things and isnt just an economy of financial scams
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The Oldest Man posted:*combining prison-industrial and military-industrial complexes in a reactor* Unless they're putting bomb collars on people forcing a population or dissatisifed school shooters in the military sounds like its going to back fire
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Slavvy posted:They will build all of those factories in the west and then use them as inefficiently and badly as they possibly can because having stuff is not the problem. I know this is difficult to grasp because your life revolves around moving stuff around but you need to be able to actually use what you have. Nobody in the west is going to match Chinese production even if you gave them an equivalent amount of factories and raw materials in one go, the system itself makes that impossible. this makes a lot of sense
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KomradeX posted:Unless they're putting bomb collars on people forcing a population or dissatisifed school shooters in the military sounds like its going to back fire I swear I just posted about this, probably in another thread, but the CSA collapsed because it turns out "arm slaves as slaves (without emancipation)" does not and cannot work even ideologically. "Go to Vietnam or go to jail" still had a number of problems, was never as widespread as people think, and the social context was different. It was considered as helping the offender out. A stint in the military being favourable to serving time and accruing a felony record. Actually being sent to Vietnam was up to the individual and the military. None of those would be true for a war with China. Nobody is going to paint it as better than some time behind bars, the military is going to send all hands, the offender won't get a say. It goes back to all of that stuff about the fabric of society being dissolved to move more numbers on spreadsheets actually has consequences. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 02:52 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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lol i didnt say it would work when in the last three decades has US foreign policy been decided by what would work
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Its hard to convince some 18 year old its worth risking their lives in a rice pqtty or some.beachead if they've never seen the country they're told to go die for never do anything for them, their parents, or their grandparents. Thats before you get into no US solider has come under artillery bombarment since Vietnam. Look at all those hot poo poo operators that went to Ukraine to kill Commies only to run home crying that its not fair that the other guys can also call in air strikes and artillery. It'll be that, but a whole army group and thats before you get to conscripts
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The US soldiers who went to both World Wars marched on Washington either as soon as they got home or the first major time the state breached the social contract they fought and died for, or both, and the same thing happened around the world. "There's no such thing as a society" seemed like a good idea for the ruling class at the time but now they've found the limits. Not just the US either. Not only can the Royal Navy barely put to sea, but the British people are not going to die on and for some loving windswept rocks, ironically largely because of Thatcher. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 03:13 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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The Oldest Man posted:They'll have to get NYPD and LASD blocking detachments At the outbreak of World War III in America the US Regiment commonly known as the “Viking-Regulators” (VR) was formed from LASD personnel. It soon developed a reputation for brutality, participating in war crimes such as the Paradise CA massacre in 2040 during the Fall of California. On the Eastern Front, the mass shootings of Canadian and New York civilians in Operation Big Bethel were the work of Combined Southern California Police Command mobile pacification squads and their subgroups called SWAT teams. These units were organized by Ed Gonzalez and Craig Lally.
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