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happyhippy posted:Someone deepfake a Fox News feed for hotels and public places. I'd love to do that and just have Tucker reading the lyrics to Institutionalized EDIT: all I wanted was not to snipe and Jeff wouldn't give it to me
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I stumbled into a Right Wing black hole on twitter and I guess the new thing is crowing about "unearthed" 2-year old footage of that Q Shaman guy and claiming Jan 6th was all a setup. All our favorite grifters are involved, including Sorbo and Scott Adams. Stuff like demanding he be released from jail, even though he plead guilty. It's amazing, seeing gaslighting on this scale across dozens of accounts. Not a peep about Dominion or Fox or Tucker, just rage about Jan 6th. Also, a few folks are blaming Biden for the SVB crash, and ignore the folks who point out the bank regulations Trump repealed in his tenure. So, yeah. Avoid Twitter tonight, as you should every night. Except let's enjoy this lady who slipped DeSantis a fascist snowflake and posed with him. That is awesome.
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I don't know. I saw a few posts stating that the Mexican Cartel guys who apologized have more integrity that US police or Fox news. Seems valid to me.
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VorpalBunny posted:I stumbled into a Right Wing black hole on twitter and I guess the new thing is crowing about "unearthed" 2-year old footage of that Q Shaman guy and claiming Jan 6th was all a setup. All our favorite grifters are involved, including Sorbo and Scott Adams. Stuff like demanding he be released from jail, even though he plead guilty. It's amazing, seeing gaslighting on this scale across dozens of accounts. Not a peep about Dominion or Fox or Tucker, just rage about Jan 6th. Musk has already tweeted that the Shaman dude should be released from prison…
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Nottherealaborn posted:Musk has already tweeted that the Shaman dude should be released from prison… Chansley is literally committing a crime just by standing there in that video.
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Murgos posted:Chansley is literally committing a crime just by standing there in that video. Cue a bunch of right-wingers shouting about how it's a public space (no it isn't).
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As someone that marched with the black block in j20 2017 i find it very funny
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These guys are loving morons. They'll do anything to twist reality to suit their narrative. https://twitter.com/WeakGameForever/status/1634304179052191744?t=trj1xGEjQxBH-QKXKSYbVQ&s=19
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I've said it before, but I feel like 4chan - and maybe also the YouTube fascist network although I don't know how popular they are these days - is kind of far more dangerous these days than Fox News. Fox News has already done its damage and run its course. I don't think actual human beings are turning to it in ignorance and being radicalized. And if you were to get rid of it today, completely, it would still take years to deprogram only a small minority of its victims - most are likely beyond saving in practical terms. But 4chan? That poo poo is radicalizing young people all the time. And it's insidious because unlike Fox, it isn't appealing to only politically minded people. Some nerd wants to talk about comics, or video games, or anime, and next thing you know they are being told how the Jews are to blame for all the world's problem and only the blood of transpeople can save America. Yeah, Reddit's definitely cut into it, but remember 4chan deliberately infiltrates other sites and does psyops to stir up poo poo and spread agitprop. Like they have poo poo on youtube kids now aimed at the 0-5 demographic. Fox News also needs to go and I'm not pretending otherwise, but yeah. I really don't think Fox is changing minds anymore, if it ever was. It's certainly radicalized people, but I mean that's part of an entire process that has gone on for decades, and Limbaugh, not Fox, was the real vanguard of fascism in America.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:
Is that what that cursed as hell "Soytube Kids" poo poo that I've seen floating around is?
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Cable tv is probably nearer the end of its life than the beginning, so I agree that fox news probably doesn’t matter that much, culturally speaking. Unless someone is breaking it up into clips that are popular with people under 60. Isn’t the average age of a fox news viewer like 75 or something? Part of that has to be selection from cable subscriptions skewing older.
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Mellow Seas posted:Did she just pull Bill of Rights amendments out of a hat or something? You can make dumb arguments for 1st and 9th but the other ones are non sequiturs. I don't know which amendment is which by number (non-American), except for 2nd because there's a bunch of people that won't shut up about it. What are 1 and 4-9?
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Prism posted:I don't know which amendment is which by number (non-American), except for 2nd because there's a bunch of people that won't shut up about it. What are 1 and 4-9? https://www.aclu-de.org/en/know-your-rights/bill-rights-simple-language
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Fox News still matters a lot. The old demographic who watch it constantly make up a huge portion of the people who vote. So if you were graphing its influence over time, has it likely passed its peak and is it on its way down now? Likely. But I'd bet it's still the single most important player in the right wing media sphere.
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Imo if the QAnon shaman wanted to legalize trespassing in the capitol he should have passed a bill to that effect while he was presiding over the senate
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Right Wing thought is so broken they believe that vastly outnumbered cops trying to deescalate a violent mob is somehow approval of their behavior in the eyes of the law. “Well. The cops didn’t fight or shoot them (except for when they did) so it must have been okay” is the entire extent of Tuckers argument.
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Question. How do Fox News Affiliates work exactly. Do they get a local TV channel, with main Fox News on another? Or do they take over the main Fox News one at times? Or are they all just local radio channels
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Murgos posted:Right Wing thought is so broken they believe that vastly outnumbered cops trying to deescalate a violent mob is somehow approval of their behavior in the eyes of the law. E: you're right though that the right-wing claims that this is proof the cops tricked them into trespassing are laughable VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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pork never goes bad posted:The body of the filing claims that exculpatory footage shown on Carlson's show was improperly withheld by prosecutors and not shown to defense lawyers during discovery. That's what it means by a Brady violation, and if there is a Brady violation in a given case it's more meritorious than the deranged and bombastic tone of the filing might suggest. It also claims Jencks Act violations but I don't see any evidence for that, though I only skimmed. Yeah, that's certainly another angle they're going for. I didn't mentionn it because I don't think it fits the basic rules of what that kind of claim needs. What they're trying to do is say that because defense wasn't given like all 44,000 hours of footage that contained other video of them that could have been used in their defense then it's a Brady violation. For prosecutors to violate Brady the evidence has to be actually exculpatory. None of what Carlson showed is exculpatory to the charges. You also have to show it was intentionally withheld and not the result of say, an arduous process of combing through 44,000 hours of video that would necessarily leave some things out. So their Brady claim is going to be thrown out, and if it goes to a second step it will be thrown out because a video where they walk into an already smashed in door non-violently in order to trespass is not likely to cause the cause or have caused the case to go differently when they're being charged with trespassing where pictures/video of them clearly in a place they're not supposed to be used as evidence. Responding to another poster, I say they're delusional because the story told by right wing people is always that the system basically works okay, and anyone that has an issue with it MUST be guilty of something. They think people being found guilty is evidence there wasn't entrapment or Brady violations or misconduct or coerced confessions because, hey, if those things happened then you can just use them in your defense and get off!  So to see them hit the meatgrinder when they're clearly guilty and attempt what they always say people should do when they have trouble with the US justice system is some real *chef's kiss* poo poo. ErIog fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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ErIog posted:So to see them hit the meatgrinder when they're clearly guilty and attempt what they always say people should do when they have trouble with the US justice system is some real *chef's kiss* poo poo. Their understanding of the American legal system is a hodgepodge of easily debunked myths from cop/lawyer shows and One Weird Trick scams. Most of the time they'd still have the good sense to hire real lawyers/consultants when they ran into trouble but ever since 2016 when everything went right for them they've had every reason to believe everything works like they think it works
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PragerU is probably shooting fish in a barrel but I was surprised they're trying to rehabilitate the Iraq war now I didn't watch the originals and you don't have to either thanks to the three arrows guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_TDQo9Zpv8 mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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happyhippy posted:Question. How do Fox News Affiliates work exactly. Not sure exactly what you're saying, but Fox is a lot of separate things: - Fox News is a cable channel, it's one channel - Fox Business is also a cable channel, it's one channel - Fox stations are local broadcast stations, like ABC, CBS, and NBC. That Fox network was created in the late-'80s, legitimized themselves by getting the NFL in 1994, and are local to each TV market. There is little Fox News crossover here, except for Sunday morning political shows like the other networks have. - Fox News Radio is a syndicated radio package that provides national news and programming to local radio channels. This would be right-wing skewed news reports at the top of the hour, things like that, plus filler talk radio from Fox News people.
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VitalSigns posted:Which page of the deescalation manual covers taking selfies together My point is that the cops behaviors aren’t on trial and are literally irrelevant to the accused’s guilt. There is no, “well if the police officer said it was okay and took a selfie with you then it’s allowed” codicil in the US legal code. Edit: That once the senators and congresspeople were secured the cops stopped resisting the mob doesn’t mean there wasn’t a mob or there wasn’t danger to the senators and congresspeople or that the cops weren’t right in resisting the mob up until that moment. Murgos fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Murgos posted:My point is that the cops behaviors aren’t on trial and are literally irrelevant to the accused’s guilt. Yeah I agree with your overall point about the right's narrative that it was some kind of a honeypot or that it was reasonable for the rioters to believe they were on an officially sanctioned tour being bullshit. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Vaguely related to this phenomenon, I've been arguing with chuds on Twitter and I've noticed another pattern. So in general, you hear a lot of "personal responsibility" rhetoric from right wingers, particularly libertarian types: -Can't pay back your student loans? Your fault, shouldn't have borrowed the money or instead pursues a career outside of college. -Discriminated or harassed at a place of business or work? Stop playing the victim and work somewhere that doesn't pinch your butt every time you walk past your supervisor! -Rent is too high? Move and buy a place in an area you can afford instead of whining about it. -Don't like capitalism in the US? Move to Venezuela and see how great socialism really is! So in all these scenarios, it is assumed the "victim" had infinite agency to make a better decision along the way. But here's where this goes out the window: Trans youth. If someone transitioned when they were young then detransitioned later, suddenly NONE of it was their fault. It was the woke doctors, the woke teachers, the woke politicians who all conspired to TRICK the victim into transitioning. These folks who think it petty and dishonest to sue companies? Suddenly they are screaming for every hospital, doctor, and therapist to be sued into bankruptcy in retaliation. When you see comments by detransitioners, there's a lot of love bombing going on in the replies, and very very few "you made these choices, now you have to deal with them." It's one of the few blind spots in their "personal responsibility" rhetoric. Well, that and being a Jan 6th defendant of course.
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mobby_6kl posted:PragerU is probably shooting fish in a barrel but I was surprised they're trying to rehabilitate the Iraq war now Not really that surprising. The whole ethos of conservatism is that no reactionary has been wrong, EVER. While you can't be a lefty of any projection without denouncing every left-of-center regime that ever failed to deliver less than 32 brands of yogurt or confiscated too many slave plantations (I'm being facetious here, kinda), every last conservative has always been right through all of history, and if anything bad happened, then they were not true conservatives. The Iraq War made liberals mad (even as many of them also boosted it, or had at the main beef something like "our boys should be safer while mowing down the sand terrorists"), therefore it was Good.
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Panfilo posted:So in all these scenarios, it is assumed the "victim" had infinite agency to make a better decision along the way. But here's where this goes out the window: This isn't quite right. It's all about sides in the culture war and extends way beyond detransitioners and J6ers. Be a professor and do racism then get fired? Cancel culture! Be a business leader who causes harm and is sued? Rigged courts! Small business owner discriminates and courts rule against them? Libs hate job creators, rigged courts, etc etc. It's not hard to find many more examples. No negative consequence the right or a member of a preferred ingroup experiences is a result of poor choices, and all negative consequences that the left or a member of an outgroup experiences are. The personal responsibility rhetoric has never been a consistent ideological position. It's a cudgel used to attack political opponents and imagined enemies, and to poison the debate and radicalize moderate liberals.
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I've always thought it was weird how quick conservatives are to label someone as "not a man". I've had this pretend dialog buzzing around my head for a while. I've wondered how it would end. Conservative: You're driving an automatic/have an electric car/don't like beer/don't like bacon/don't hunt/don't have a beard/don't like hooters/know how to cook/don't like football/eat yogurt! That means you aren't manly! You're a woman! Liberal: Thank you. That's very affirming. I am indeed a transwoman. Conservative: (something)
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Is that what that cursed as hell "Soytube Kids" poo poo that I've seen floating around is? Correct. It is an op being run by Soyjak.party which is a community for people so outrageously transphobic that even 4chan could not suffer them. They even have an entry about it on their wiki.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I've said it before, but I feel like 4chan - and maybe also the YouTube fascist network although I don't know how popular they are these days - is kind of far more dangerous these days than Fox News. Hell, you can see fresh examples of that happening literally today. Apparently last night the #1 most popular Crusty Nerds Who Hate Ladies and Black People internet panel show on YouTube had Gavin McInnes on as their center square guest of honor to hear his big brain thoughts on why you should blow up libraries or mow down synagogue with an AR-15 because the made April O'Neill black and thicc in the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. And I guess if that wasn't enough he literally whipped out his penis and pissed all over his room live on stream seemingly unprompted for... some reason. For added hilarity, this is apparently the second time in four months that one of the Pick Me women they have on for cover had a man expose their genitals to her out of nowhere because she also got flashed by Legally Proven Sex Creep and former voice actor Vic Mignogna back in December.
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So for a funny sentence that will be fun to quote: I think about Doomcock a lot. Because he's one of the best examples of this. He's literally just SuperShadow - if anyone remembers that dork from the Star Wars fandom - but a literal Nazi. Like if you were some dumb tween in the 90s or very early aughts looking up Star Wars rumors there's a good chance you'd run across SuperShadow. Now you might run across Doomcock. The internet today is full of the same sorts of charlatans and conmen as the early net, only now they're also Nazis. Plus I mean yeah. You have Hogwarts Legacy making blood libel mainstream which is still so loving wild to me I can't believe it's a real AAA game and not a 4chan shitpost. But yeah. Fox News radicalized conservatives, but I doubt even in its prime it made very many conservatives or minted fascists from whole cloth. The 4chan/Right-Wing-Youtube-Sphere absolutely is radicalizing people who were not initially right wing. I think the most dangerous Fox has been in years has been Tucker getting the Jan 6 footage, though. Since who knows what militias and poo poo he shared that with. So now the Proud Boys and Atomwaffen know where the cameras are and what escape routes the congresscritters use. The next insurrection, assuming Biden somehow wins in 2024, will be a lot more professional.
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AsInHowe posted:Not sure exactly what you're saying, but Fox is a lot of separate things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_O8O1zlaY Note that he's interacting live with the hosts on Fox News. stringless fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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Yeah, I knew his star faded, but meant more the general metaphor. I'm sure there's some new 'StormShadow but also a Nazi' who probably doesn't dress up like the villain from Lexx.
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Apparently Tucker is branching out. Dude has his video boosted on the youtube algorithm, which is nothing new since it's widely known that right wingers game the rules of it t get viewership. What is notable is that Tucker Carlson is doing a livestream with the title of "leaving Fox News" and I can't go back to read the old dialogue (He's trying to excuse lying about Jan 6 atm) to see if he is but man I hope he's getting the boot even if it is to preserve the non-existent integrity of Fox News. He's such a cancer on the American discourse. Maybe someone else can chime in on details? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkQspv9tscw Now that he's done with the J6 lies he's trying to shoot the poo poo poorly while laughing like an unhinged maniac villain in a Saturday morning cartoon. Now he's hawking...Tesla and trucks, with bands and how the good old days of music was superior as a side chat? He can't seem to keep his thought processes on track and at certain points he seems like he's just rambling nonsensically like he's on something and needs to vent. Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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Archonex posted:Apparently Tucker is branching out. Dude has his video boosted on the youtube algorithm, which is nothing new since it's widely known that right wingers game the rules of it t get viewership. Its a fake scam channel, they hacked someone elses YT channel and changed the name and uploaded that video to it. Used to do it with Elon a lot, must be doing it to other celebs now. Notice the 'double your bitcoins if you send them to us' on the chat, and 'only those who have subbed for 10 years can post'. SPONSERED BY TESLA! happyhippy fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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Nebrilos posted:I've always thought it was weird how quick conservatives are to label someone as "not a man". I've had this pretend dialog buzzing around my head for a while. I've wondered how it would end. When they call other men womanly for not fitting into masculine stereotypes it's not because they literally believe cooking charges your gender. It's using shame as a way of policing other men's behavior. "You should stop doing this because that's not how men are supposed to act and there are social consequences for stepping out of line.' If the liberal isn't ashamed of being called a woman, or worse agrees with it, the conservative isn't going to short-circuit into agreeing that logically trans women are women, he's just going to be disgusted at a 'man' so debased that he isn't even ashamed of being feminine. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Mar 12, 2023 |
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happyhippy posted:Its a fake scam channel, they hacked someone elses YT channel and changed the name and uploaded that video to it. Figured, still funny that they lure people in with the idea of Tucker leaving Fox.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:
Can you elaborate? I’m not following the Hogwarts Legacy space at all. Like, I knew Rowling was pretty lovely but other than making a rich lovely person richer I didn’t know there were other more immediate issues.
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