Ukraine War: Berth El Buk

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(Thread IKs: weg, Toxic Mental)

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Toxic Mental posted:

That's an extremely good, if not somewhat sad thread. Placing "problematic" soldiers into basically testers for enemy fire. Yikes.

Remember that this is basically an attempt to make what's left of the Russian army fight similarly to how the Wanker SS conducts their operations. Even if it does make some change at the individual unit levels, there won't be enough decent units made from this attempted reorganization to matter at the level of large scale offensives. These tactics are primarily only useful in urban and trench fighting. It won't help at all when it comes to maneuver warfare, and if possible could have disastrous consequences at that level of combat.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 11:01

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# ? May 28, 2024 21:35

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://radiomoldova.md/p/7885/an-alleged-member-of-the-wagner-group-detained-at-chisinau-airport

quote:

A citizen, who was identified as a possible representative of a private military company from the Russian Federation, Wagner, tried to enter the Republic of Moldova in the last week, the Border Police announces. According to the cited source, the case was registered at the Chisinau International Airport. In total, for seven days, 182 foreign citizens, as well as 46 means of transport, were refused entry to the Republic of Moldova.

"The measures taken, based on the risk analysis and the information obtained jointly with the national authorities, including through the exchange of information with international partners, allowed the detection in the flow of passengers, at the state border crossing point Chisinau International Airport of a citizen who was identified as a possible representative of a private military company in the Russian Federation (Wagner). The citizen in question was not authorized to cross the state border, being returned by air to the starting state," the Border Police announced.

The Border Police states that in order to exclude security risks, in the context of the state of emergency in the Republic of Moldova, but also of the war started by Russia against Ukraine, security protocols are applied at all state border crossing points, which implies the addition state border crossing control for travelers, especially for foreign citizens.

Good. That'll make it harder for any funny business to be done in Moldova for the immediate future at least.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 12:58

Karma Comedian: Feb 2, 2012

I come bearing maps! Noel's update for the day:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634838817101475841?t=tMfGakmII6mNg1qxgK7vtw&s=19 https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634838821614555138?t=DLpj-smKmqT02gwienXxOw&s=19

Also, the return of mud:
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634849297585049601?t=H2faK9tX0ilsnep8Pazx9g&s=19

# ? Mar 12, 2023 13:26

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1634890815737667586
It was the loving around of days, it was the finding out of days. :laugh:

# ? Mar 12, 2023 13:56

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1634845013879431170
Behold the mighty "armored" vehicles of the Russian army. Outdated garbage that's going to end up but target practice for modern IFVs and tanks sent to Ukraine.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 14:17

Karma Comedian: Feb 2, 2012

This seems close

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1634638872515682305?t=IB5WOhzb8ssTaMV2Hb1CCg&s=19

# ? Mar 12, 2023 14:30

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1634880504242778117

>sorted out somehow
weeeellll..... good luck with that my guy, your pathetic, outdated army might have better luck if you turn on Putler instead

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:08

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1634880504242778117

>sorted out somehow
weeeellll..... good luck with that my guy, your pathetic, outdated army might have better luck if you turn on Putler instead

Wait, do I understand this right, they are tying down their drone, so it cannot be hijacked by UA EW? Lmao

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1634873021243723779

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:14

boofhead: Feb 18, 2021

I've read that EW is super prevalent on both sides, the Ukrainians are losing a lot of drones too, it's just that we are selecting for a preponderance of pro-Ukrainian, anti-Russian accounts. Also the impression I get is not that the drones get 'hacked' and stolen necessarily, rather that they just get jammed until they fall out of the sky or try to return to base or whatever. Especially given that the vast majority of them in use are not military grade but converted commercial grade drones

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:18

zone: Dec 6, 2016

boofhead posted:

I've read that EW is super prevalent on both sides, the Ukrainians are losing a lot of drones too, it's just that we are selecting for a preponderance of pro-Ukrainian, anti-Russian accounts. Also the impression I get is not that the drones get 'hacked' and stolen necessarily, rather that they just get jammed until they fall out of the sky or try to return to base or whatever. Especially given that the vast majority of them in use are not military grade but converted commercial grade drones

Ukrainians have mentioned that their drones last anywhere from 3-11 flights, I think. That's why they can never have enough drones, especially ones with thermal cam for stopping attacks. Drones being hijacked on either side are very rare in general, I've only seen a couple such vids being put up.

e: in general they should basically be considered somewhat expensive consumables, rather than permanent accessories, to a unit, according to the Ukrainians as well as the military analysts looking into this sort of warfare.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:21

Pot Smoke Phoenix: Aug 15, 2007; Smoke 'em if you gottem!; Dinosaur Gum

Did not see the invention of the yo-yo drone as a necessity of war coming

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:35

Deptfordx: Dec 23, 2013

The Russian population was skewed significantly toward Women before the millions of men who could flee the country did so.

There's not 70 million Russian men that exist, never mind still in Russia.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 15:45

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

zone posted:

Ukrainians have mentioned that their drones last anywhere from 3-11 flights, I think. That's why they can never have enough drones, especially ones with thermal cam for stopping attacks. Drones being hijacked on either side are very rare in general, I've only seen a couple such vids being put up.

e: in general they should basically be considered somewhat expensive consumables, rather than permanent accessories, to a unit, according to the Ukrainians as well as the military analysts looking into this sort of warfare.

The small ones like mavics get shot down frequently by riflefire

# ? Mar 12, 2023 16:06

frumpykvetchbot: Feb 20, 2004; PROGRESSIVE SCAN; Upset Trowel

zone posted:

e: in general they should basically be considered somewhat expensive consumables,

expensive, how do you figure?

A garden variety 152mm shell, of which 6-7,000 are fired every single day by Ukraine alone and Russia at least twice that number, apparently cost around 3,300 eur per.

A fully kitted out brand new Mavic 2 Pro is about half that.

A Mavic 2 Pro is multi purpose. We've seen it used for absolutely everything in this war, for recon and for dropping small grenades. It is also used by artillery units as a loitering observation post, allowing for fast ranging and increasing the accuracy of each shell fired. A little Mavic costing less than one shell is a force multiplier worth far more than its asking price. Ukraine should have as many of these, and equivalent types, as they can possibly absorb.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 16:18

zone: Dec 6, 2016

frumpykvetchbot posted:

expensive, how do you figure?

A garden variety 152mm shell, of which 6-7,000 are fired every single day by Ukraine alone and Russia at least twice that number, apparently cost around 3,300 eur per.

A fully kitted out brand new Mavic 2 Pro is about half that.

A Mavic 2 Pro is multi purpose. We've seen it used for absolutely everything in this war, for recon and for dropping small grenades. It is also used by artillery units as a loitering observation post, allowing for fast ranging and increasing the accuracy of each shell fired. A little Mavic costing less than one shell is a force multiplier worth far more than its asking price. Ukraine should have as many of these, and equivalent types, as they can possibly absorb.

Huh, I didn't figure that they were actually pretty cheap compared to artillery shells. Noted.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634936062450757632
Two Russian snipers notice a drone following them and start cursing it out.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 16:46

Victis: Mar 26, 2008

frumpykvetchbot posted:

expensive, how do you figure?

A garden variety 152mm shell, of which 6-7,000 are fired every single day by Ukraine alone and Russia at least twice that number, apparently cost around 3,300 eur per.

A fully kitted out brand new Mavic 2 Pro is about half that.

A Mavic 2 Pro is multi purpose. We've seen it used for absolutely everything in this war, for recon and for dropping small grenades. It is also used by artillery units as a loitering observation post, allowing for fast ranging and increasing the accuracy of each shell fired. A little Mavic costing less than one shell is a force multiplier worth far more than its asking price. Ukraine should have as many of these, and equivalent types, as they can possibly absorb.

They don't grow on trees, and the cheap old Mavics aren't generally what they want, because the zoom sucks. Another issue is price gouging and import restrictions (although those have relaxed recently along with VAT on drones)

Here's a pretty good video on drone/mortar coordination, :nws:

from 11:45-12:23 there is footage of a drone drop, the rest is pretty honest and unglamorous conversation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtCMRH9QmOk
This single unit goes through 10 drones/month

edit: This poo poo pisses me off personally, kinda went viral on Telegram:

https://v.redd.it/gzdfvg97i6na1/DASH_1080.mp4?source=fallback.gif

and the semi-apology rationalizing it as the conscript doing gate guard being drunk

https://v.redd.it/w3e838i9z8na1/DASH_720.mp4?source=fallback.gif
https://www.facebook.com/100021737566762/videos/534691742067467/

This is from a Border Guard unit like 500km from the front but this kind of leftover Red Army mentality regarding conscripts needs to go yesterday

Victis fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Mar 12, 2023

# ? Mar 12, 2023 16:48

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

Seem to recall making shells is very easy to automate, being mainly metallurgical and chemical handling operations whereas making drones is very labour heavy because most of the parts need hand fitting by a human, even if the parts individually very cheap.

This makes it relatively harder to make more drones quickly.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 16:51

jimmy mnemonic: Jan 9, 2007; Fun Shoe

In other nomenclature trolling news:

OPINION: China Challenges Russia by Restoring Chinese Names of Cities on Their Border
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/13560

Kyiv Post posted:

"China�s Ministry of Natural Resources has just issued new regulations on map content, which require the addition of old Chinese names to the current Russian-pronounced geographical names of eight places along the Russian-Chinese border," Radio France International in Chinese reported on Feb. 23.

The eight Russian place names, comprise six cities, including Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, one island and one mountain.

quote:

[The Asia Times] elaborates that "Under Beijing�s new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing�an Range in Chinese."

"China lost large expanses of land in its northern region due to the invasion of Russian," Asia Times explains, and now Beijing has directed a return to the use of Chinese names for them. It also notes that despite Beijing seemingly wanting to strengthen its ties with Russia, it has permitted Chinese columnists to publish articles from time to time about the vast territories lost to foreign powers, thereby in effect reminding "Chinese people of their wish to recover the lost territory."

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:07

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

jimmy mnemonic posted:

In other nomenclature trolling news:

OPINION: China Challenges Russia by Restoring Chinese Names of Cities on Their Border
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/13560

Sea Cucumber Bay

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:11

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Victis posted:

They don't grow on trees, and the cheap old Mavics aren't generally what they want, because the zoom sucks. Another issue is price gouging and import restrictions (although those have relaxed recently along with VAT on drones)

Here's a pretty good video on drone/mortar coordination, from 11:45-12:23 there is footage of a drone drop, the rest is pretty honest and unglamorous conversation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtCMRH9QmOk
This single unit goes through 10 drones/month

Thanks for the video, I'll check it out.

I wanted to mention though that all sorts of drones are being used in the war, including little DIY racing type drones, larger quads and octas, etc.

Drone_Fragger posted:

Seem to recall making shells is very easy to automate, being mainly metallurgical and chemical handling operations whereas making drones is very labour heavy because most of the parts need hand fitting by a human, even if the parts individually very che

This makes it relatively harder to make more drones quickly.

That's probably true, and shells can be made in massive amounts on the industrial scale, but also one person could assemble dozens of drones at home with basic skills and equipment.

E: has anyone seen efforts to crowdsource some drones?

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Mar 12, 2023

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:33

Neddy Seagoon: Oct 12, 2012; "Hi Everybody!"

jimmy mnemonic posted:

In other nomenclature trolling news:

OPINION: China Challenges Russia by Restoring Chinese Names of Cities on Their Border
https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/13560

Lol, China's measuring Russian territory for curtains. Totally normal thing for an ally nation to do when your nation's doing fine internally and your military's winning your war.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:35

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

The mountains are high and Muscovy is far away

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:40

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1634892039727857666

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:56

Cartoon Man: Jan 31, 2004

Update from the STALKER 2 devs:

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:57

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Cartoon Man posted:

Update from the STALKER 2 devs:

"We keep losing on the battlefield and in cyberspace, but let's break into the accounts of these nerds instead, that'll learn 'em!"

# ? Mar 12, 2023 17:59

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

Enjoy the bodylanguage. I'd pay money to see the whole clownshow when the offensive burns them down

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1634835914731163651

Jagga Jagga continues

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1634927715638824967

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:11

zone: Dec 6, 2016

You can see it right in Strelkov's eyes that he knows Russia is finished. Nothing can save them now from inevitable defeat.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:16

Deki: May 12, 2008; It's Hammer Time!

just go home.

Aint nobody stopping you.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:25

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

zone posted:

You can see it right in Strelkov's eyes that he knows Russia is finished. Nothing can save them now from inevitable defeat.

They seem to be really paranoid about Transnistria, but I don't think anyone actually gives a poo poo? :confused:

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:31

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Lol, China's measuring Russian territory for curtains. Totally normal thing for an ally nation to do when your nation's doing fine internally and your military's winning your war.

Oh yes another War crime gigolo prediction turns out to be accurate. Which is the thought that China will start projecting soft power into Russia's far East. The next piece of the puzzle to be placed is. When western Russia starts halting shipments of things past the Urals and instead regional commanders stockpile up necessary supplies for their own regions. They're already doing the stockpiling part but I think it will get much worse especially for the side of Russia that completely relies on rail transport

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:32

shadow puppet of a: Jan 10, 2007; NO TENGO SCORPIO

Russia should really be throwing out a series of 99 year leases on everything china covets.

They might get a modern city out it, brimming with microwaves.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 18:47

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/BjorkBrodern/status/1634254951906942983
jeezus, that's a lot of hardware.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 19:19

Computer viking: May 30, 2011; Now with less breakage.

I've felt ambivalent about weapons being one of our largest exports after the oil & gas, but it is undeniably useful to have a large arms industry.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 19:47

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

That's the most depressed I've ever seen Girkin lol

mobby_6kl posted:

They seem to be really paranoid about Transnistria, but I don't think anyone actually gives a poo poo?

Transnistria was on the list of places to be annexed had the invasion gone according to plan. I don't think anyone told the Transnistrians that they were a dessert course after the Ukrainian main course, Transnistrian officials seem to still be laboring under the delusion that they will get an independent and recognized Transnistrian state lol

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 12, 2023

# ? Mar 12, 2023 19:48

poor waif: Apr 8, 2007; Kaboom

mobby_6kl posted:

They seem to be really paranoid about Transnistria, but I don't think anyone actually gives a poo poo?

I could see how Transnistria no longer being a Russian proxy would be useful for Ukraine and Europe as a whole. Probably not the highest priority for anyone, but it'd be an unnecessary distraction and complication for a postwar Ukraine and Moldova.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 20:05

beer_war: Mar 10, 2005

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1634982082949840896?s=20

Guess that settles the question about the POW's name. Earlier he was identified as Tymofiy Shadura.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 20:10

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNvcz8bb478
New intercepted phone calls. First call is two drunks complaining about their miserable conditions and casualties in their units while laughing because of how merry the alcohol made them. Second intercept is a really angry russian officer attempting to enforce discipline among his soldiers after one of his ended up lying dead drunk in the street. :nms:

for mention of casualties.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 20:20

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Lol, China's measuring Russian territory for curtains. Totally normal thing for an ally nation to do when your nation's doing fine internally and your military's winning your war.

Chinese peace brokering

# ? Mar 12, 2023 20:29

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Lol someone did some decent parody lyrics to Stan. Won't post the whole thing but this was pretty clever:

Prigozhin posted:

My gun's gone cold I don't know why I got mobilized at all,
the springtime mud clogs up my AK, so it can't shoot at all,
and even if it could I can't hit at all, I drank the vodka from last fall,
to pretend war isn't really bad, it's really bad.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 12, 2023

# ? Mar 12, 2023 20:37

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# ? May 28, 2024 21:35

Budzilla: Oct 14, 2007; We can all learn from our past mistakes.

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1634845013879431170
Behold the mighty "armored" vehicles of the Russian army. Outdated garbage that's going to end up but target practice for modern IFVs and tanks sent to Ukraine.

What gets me is that in a full scale war this is the best show for cameras they can do for refurbishing their tanks. Not the age of the equipment itself but the amount of employees working and activity at the factory in the middle of a war with such a high vehicle attrition rate.

# ? Mar 12, 2023 21:00

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