If only Frog could have kept WCW afloat

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Who Killed WCW?
	Eric Bischoff
	Hulk Hogan
	Vince Russo
	Jerusalem

MrBling: Aug 21, 2003; Oozing machismo

Lid posted:

https://twitter.com/WrestleClips/status/1631446468660690946?t=_N1EqT3jPkPeGPAHtKARbA&s=19

I love HEAD OF WCW SECURITY Doug Dillinger trying desperately not to laugh.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 12:03

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# ? May 27, 2024 20:57

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

MrBling posted:

I love HEAD OF WCW SECURITY Doug Dillinger trying desperately not to laugh.

And if he loses it, Denim Man is on the scene to provide backup.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 14:10

Super Dan: Jan 26, 2006

NikkolasKing posted:

Is this some sort of special bonus thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhaVVSFjBA

I don't recognize the interviewer(although that doesn't mean much) and they say "exclusively on DirectTV."

There was some kind of DirectTV exclusive thing where they would show extra bonus content like this instead of commercials during Nitro. It was called Backstage Blast.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 16:24

ChrisBTY: Mar 29, 2012; this glorious monument

MassRafTer posted:

And that he was worried Andre wouldn't do business and might shoot on him which is funny because by that point Hogan could have easily taken Andre in a fight.

Initially I thought 'but what if Andre sandbagged him on the body slam?'
And that led me down the rabbit hole of 'who has slammed Andre?' Which led me to this video: https://youtu.be/vQjC1mTSklk
And you can see how the slams become less crisp and more labored over time where it's obvious that Andre is getting bigger and can't help as much.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 18:45

Shaman Tank Spec: Dec 26, 2003; *blep*

I could read Hulk Hogan's outrageous lies and claims all day every day. It's just amazing to me that someone can just make such blatantly outrageous and untrue claims without blinking an eye.

Like I've lied to people (even though I don't like doing it), but I probably couldn't look a job interviewer in the eye and say that the guys who started Google asked me to join in with them, but I was too busy building rockets for NASA to fly to Saturn.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 18:47

El Generico: Feb 3, 2009; Birds revere you and consider you one of their own.

You are welcome in their holy places.

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

I could read Hulk Hogan's outrageous lies and claims all day every day. It's just amazing to me that someone can just make such blatantly outrageous and untrue claims without blinking an eye.

Has he ever tried to explain the failure of Pastamania?

# ? Mar 4, 2023 18:49

Ziggy Tzardust: Apr 7, 2006

El Generico posted:

Has he ever tried to explain the failure of Pastamania?

Not enough Hulkaroos OR Hulkayoos

# ? Mar 4, 2023 19:14

Pope Corky the IX: Dec 18, 2006; What are you looking at?

The Mall of America wasn�t ready for the Hulkster.

# ? Mar 4, 2023 19:48

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

ChrisBTY posted:

Initially I thought 'but what if Andre sandbagged him on the body slam?'
And that led me down the rabbit hole of 'who has slammed Andre?' Which led me to this video: https://youtu.be/vQjC1mTSklk
And you can see how the slams become less crisp and more labored over time where it's obvious that Andre is getting bigger and can't help as much.

Yeah. It seldom gets talked about anymore but Hogan and Andre actually had a much better match a few years earlier in Shea Stadium, I believe. And the interesting thing is Hogan was the heel and Andre the face. (If it makes anybody feel better Andre has more wins over Hogan which probably aggravates the Hulkster no end.)

# ? Mar 4, 2023 19:58

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Why wasn't it just Pizzamania? The world may never know

# ? Mar 5, 2023 00:31

SiKboy: Oct 28, 2007; Oh no!😱

Halloween Jack posted:

Why wasn't it just Pizzamania? The world may never know

Because he missed a phone call while he was working out, and the next guy down their list to call was Dave Pizzahut.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 00:44

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

It's just amazing to me that someone can just make such blatantly outrageous and untrue claims without blinking an eye.

He had a special kind of surgery so that he doesn't need to blink as often as a normal wrestler. Dr. Bill Miller performed the surgery at Verne Gagne's request.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 00:49

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

MrBling posted:

I love HEAD OF WCW SECURITY Doug Dillinger trying desperately not to laugh.

its little things like this that are that despite being not a good worker Hollywood Hogan was such a great character at times and the sheer heat he could generate with his charisma is fascinating

too bad 99% of the time hes the other parts of Hulk Hogan

# ? Mar 5, 2023 01:01

Davros1: Jul 19, 2007; You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

One story that has been told was that in the days leading up to WM3 was Andre saw Hogan lackey Brutus Beefcake lurking around and decided to gently caress with Hogan, knowing that if he said anything, Beefcake would immediately tattle to Hogan. So Andre told the person he was with that, basically, he wasn't sure the WM3 finish "wasn't going to work for him, brother" and like Andre had predicted, Beefcake immediately ran off to tell Hogan. So what was a Andre rib on Hogan, Hogan took seriously.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 01:13

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Lid posted:

its little things like this that are that despite being not a good worker Hollywood Hogan was such a great character at times and the sheer heat he could generate with his charisma is fascinating

too bad 99% of the time hes the other parts of Hulk Hogan

Kevin Nash talked about being in the ring with Hogan when the NWO was still hot and how he kept playing to the crowd and playing to the crowd and Kevin kept thinking "surely now he's going to drop the leg" or whatever and Hogan never did until they'd hit that exact moment where the crowd's either going to explode or stop caring and Hogan hit the legdrop at exactly the right time and it was one of the most impressive things Nash had ever seen.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 04:49

ChrisBTY: Mar 29, 2012; this glorious monument

Dawgstar posted:

Yeah. It seldom gets talked about anymore but Hogan and Andre actually had a much better match a few years earlier in Shea Stadium, I believe. And the interesting thing is Hogan was the heel and Andre the face. (If it makes anybody feel better Andre has more wins over Hogan which probably aggravates the Hulkster no end.)

It turns out Hogan has bodyslammed Andre quite a bit over the years.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 05:39

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

Dawgstar posted:

Kevin Nash talked about being in the ring with Hogan when the NWO was still hot and how he kept playing to the crowd and playing to the crowd and Kevin kept thinking "surely now he's going to drop the leg" or whatever and Hogan never did until they'd hit that exact moment where the crowd's either going to explode or stop caring and Hogan hit the legdrop at exactly the right time and it was one of the most impressive things Nash had ever seen.

Hogan just seemed to "get" pro-wrestling on a fundamental level. One of those things you can't teach.

To this day is he not the man most synonymous with pro-wrestling in America? I remember he and Vince actually had a storyline feud about whether Hogan made the WWF or Vince made Hogan. Probably one of those feuds which is entirely true to life. And also true to life, Hogan was correct in this instance.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 05:51

AJA: Mar 28, 2015

NikkolasKing posted:

To this day is he not the man most synonymous with pro-wrestling in America? I remember he and Vince actually had a storyline feud about whether Hogan made the WWF or Vince made Hogan. Probably one of those feuds which is entirely true to life. And also true to life, Hogan was correct in this instance.

Vince, in this scenario, would be correct, as he is the one who actually bought out stars/folded various territories, made a monopoly of MSG, was the one to master closed-circuit/PPV, and made a marriage of Rock n' Wrestling/pop culture; but this is wrestling and in this storyline we're all only here for colorful soap opera and punch-mans, and so REAL AMERICAN Hulk Hogan wins by default.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 07:03

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

AWA made Hogan.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 07:14

SatoshiMiwa: May 6, 2007

Honestly Vince and Hogan needed each other for them to get as big as they both did. Without Hogan the WWE expansion probably stalls out and the doors to MTV and NBC for WWE don't open up as they don't have a character with near the charisma Hogan had to crossover to those platforms.

OTOH if Hogan doesn't go to the WWE he probably doesn't end up anywhere near as big of a star. His act would very much burn out way quicker in a territory as he'd be forced to run the same cities over and over and that was a weakness Hogan had. And I doubt Hogan survives the UWF/Clean finish transition that happens in Japan

# ? Mar 5, 2023 08:05

MrBling: Aug 21, 2003; Oozing machismo

Davros1 posted:

One story that has been told was that in the days leading up to WM3 was Andre saw Hogan lackey Brutus Beefcake lurking around and decided to gently caress with Hogan, knowing that if he said anything, Beefcake would immediately tattle to Hogan. So Andre told the person he was with that, basically, he wasn't sure the WM3 finish "wasn't going to work for him, brother" and like Andre had predicted, Beefcake immediately ran off to tell Hogan. So what was a Andre rib on Hogan, Hogan took seriously.

quote:

Leading up to the match, the question was whether or not Andr� was ready to let Hulk Hogan beat him. And so, yet another myth was created. Truth be told, none of the boys in the back knew the finish; no one but Pat Patterson, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, and Andr� knew what was going to happen. Over the years, conflicting stories have emerged, creating even more folklore.

�I worked on that match day-in and day-out, making sure they were in a good mood,� recalled Pat Patterson in an interview for RF Video in 2018. �Andr�, we had to take care of him, we had to make sure he wouldn�t get hurt. Andr� would say, �Hogan, if I feel bad, I am going to kick the poo poo out of him.� I would tell him to stop saying that. He was just trying to joke around. But that would get Hogan nervous too. Andr� was just messing with him. However, at that time, Hogan didn�t know that. Andr� played a game that he was in a bad mood all the time with Hulk. Andr� worked him. He was so good at that. There was no doubt in my mind it would happen. Andr� was winking at me.�

Vince McMahon shared pretty much the same opinion. �Hogan would not say anything to Andr�, like, �Hey, are you going to do this job for me?� He had too much respect for Andr� to come out straight and ask him. Instead, he would beat around the bush. �Hey, boss, what are we going to do?� �I will tell you later,� Andr� would answer. Well, later never came, and Hogan kept coming to me. �Oh my god, am I going to win this thing?� �Yeah, yeah, yeah,� I kept saying. �It�s all set.� Finally, I got Hogan in my room the night before the event, and that�s when Andr� let him know what was going to go down. After Andr� told Hogan what he was going to do, there was a big hug and all that kind of stuff. And there we go.�

That meeting either never took place, took place with Andr� and Vince only, or Hogan completely forgot about it, because not only has Hogan never mentioned it, he swears he has no recollection of it whatsoever. As requested, Hogan wrote a match synopsis, leaving Andr� and Vince to decide upon the finish. �I don�t know if they were ribbing me,� said Hogan on Chris Jericho�s podcast. �Around 2 or 3 p.m. Vince said, �I think you need to go talk with Andr�.� I am sitting next to Andr�, who�s in a lot of pain with two quarts of Crown Royal already ingested. That was nothing for him. He�s handing me a drink, and when he�s not looking, I am dumping it because I can�t start drinking now. Just before going in the ring, he said, �Don�t worry. I will take care of you.� I didn�t know going in what that meant.�

Tim White remembered Andr� being the same as usual, stopping for beers on the way to the stadium. �Hogan was sweating the whole day,� said White. �I think Andr� was holding court, like, �Know this. Before I make you the guy, remember that I�m the guy and always have been.��

�douard Carpentier, who was the French-language play-by-play announcer that night, had clear memories of the mind games. �Andr� was drinking a lot. On that day, he had promised not to drink. But he had bought his wine bottles. He was looking at Vince while drinking his wine, mocking him. I asked him why he was drinking since it was a big match, and he told me it was none of my business. No one knew he was drunk in the ring that night.� It�s unlikely Andr� was too drunk to perform in that match, but he would have been unable to perform while sober because of the pain.

That's from the recent Andre book, which is probably as close to the truth as you'll get.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 08:56

AJA: Mar 28, 2015

MrBling posted:

That's from the recent Andre book, which is probably as close to the truth as you'll get.

And again, in terms of what would be best, Andre chose correct. Hogan, in the storyline, was the correct choice.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 09:02

Ganso Bomb: Oct 24, 2005; turn it all around

MrBling posted:

That's from the recent Andre book, which is probably as close to the truth as you'll get.

What book is that?

# ? Mar 5, 2023 14:01

stab: Feb 12, 2003; To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high

Ganso Bomb posted:

What book is that?

Probably Laprade's right?

# ? Mar 5, 2023 14:07

MrBling: Aug 21, 2003; Oozing machismo

Yeah, Pat Laprade and Bertrand H�berts book: The Eighth Wonder of the World.

I came out a couple of years ago. It is really good and it had a lot of stories I had never heard before.

https://books.google.dk/books/about/The_Eighth_Wonder_Of_The_World.html?id=tYPCDwAAQBAJ

# ? Mar 5, 2023 14:34

Ganso Bomb: Oct 24, 2005; turn it all around

Thanks!

# ? Mar 5, 2023 15:00

haljordan: Oct 22, 2004; the corpse of god is love.

NikkolasKing posted:

Hogan just seemed to "get" pro-wrestling on a fundamental level. One of those things you can't teach.

To this day is he not the man most synonymous with pro-wrestling in America? I remember he and Vince actually had a storyline feud about whether Hogan made the WWF or Vince made Hogan. Probably one of those feuds which is entirely true to life. And also true to life, Hogan was correct in this instance.

It's crazy that Hulk Hogan is basically the one guy that literally anyone on earth could name if asked to name a wrestler, yet he still feels the need to embellish his legacy. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed he was the first man to bodyslam Andre the Giant on the Moon while inventing the iPod.

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SatoshiMiwa: May 6, 2007

It probably pisses Hogan off that while he's perhaps known more world wide he just was never able to get on the level that Santo was in Mexico or Inoki in Japan.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 18:03

History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

The gently caress are you talking about dude was in Gremlins 2

# ? Mar 5, 2023 22:12

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

History Comes Inside! posted:

The gently caress are you talking about dude was in Gremlins 2

Santo got a loving state funeral, basically

# ? Mar 5, 2023 22:27

History Comes Inside!: Nov 20, 2004

That�s a terrible comparison because

# ? Mar 5, 2023 22:37

Barry Bluejeans: Feb 2, 2017; ATTENTHUN THITIZENTH

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Santo got a loving state funeral, basically

Plus he'll never be the movie star Santo was

# ? Mar 5, 2023 23:27

SatoshiMiwa: May 6, 2007

Yeah Santo culturally was just on a level that Hogan didn't even get close to during his prime.

# ? Mar 5, 2023 23:53

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Santo got a loving state funeral, basically

Doesn't Santo have a big statue too?

# ? Mar 6, 2023 00:18

Animal-Mother: Feb 14, 2012; RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

haljordan posted:

bodyslam Andre the Giant on the Moon

He would weigh less, Hogan would never make such a mistake.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 00:24

haljordan: Oct 22, 2004; the corpse of god is love.

Animal-Mother posted:

He would weigh less, Hogan would never make such a mistake.

this got a legit :lol:

out of me, thank you.

haljordan fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Mar 6, 2023

# ? Mar 6, 2023 01:20

edogawa rando: Mar 20, 2007

Dawgstar posted:

Doesn't Santo have a big statue too?

I'd be shocked if there isn't a statue of him somewhere.

# ? Mar 6, 2023 01:29

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

edogawa rando posted:

I'd be shocked if there isn't a statue of him somewhere.

Several

https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1568648790906929152?t=d4udC1ie9cQ6FcW1hxYjfg&s=19

https://twitter.com/luchablog/status/1568739113771180032?t=ouHZozB9njHLzzBadTVwgQ&s=19

# ? Mar 6, 2023 01:36

STING 64: Oct 20, 2006

Animal-Mother posted:

He would weigh less, Hogan would never make such a mistake.

Lol

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Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Starccade '86 is so bad

# ? Mar 13, 2023 02:31

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