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Give them a filthy little Liechten-kalinn-stein-grad to deal with inside their alpen cauldron.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:00
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1635022540321214468 Partisans are still being thorns in the side of the occupiers.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:08
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Partigiano, portami via
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Mar 13, 2023 06:19
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Switzerland pulling a 'we're special and different' gets less and less cute the more integrated the world is. You can only pretend you're nor in the camp of Europe so long when your only other company in the "European country pretending they're not in Europe" is the UK, Serbia, and Hungary. All states nobody would point at "the future of Europe". Join or die buddy. This is 2023 not 1914.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:36
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upset at not being the center of world conflict for the first time in 20 years, the US starts a war with Switzerland to show them what's what and conquer their strategic chocolate stores.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:47
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1635051841263382535 Kyslytsya is so good at what he does.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:47
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Switzerland pulling a 'we're special and different' gets less and less cute the more integrated the world is. You can only pretend you're nor in the camp of Europe so long when your only other company in the "European country pretending they're not in Europe" is the UK, Serbia, and Hungary. All states nobody would point at "the future of Europe". I don't give a poo poo if they don't want to get involved with anything, what's really gross is that they will sell you a gun to defend yourself with but balk at the idea of selling you ammo to defend yourself with. They have no business selling arms. It's exploitive, hypocritical, and a whole bunch of other awful things.
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Mar 13, 2023 06:53
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634998624957657090 Take it with a grain of salt but a Ukrainian major says that only 7,000 of the core Wagner forces remain alive. e: possible  for graves of Wagner mercenaries in tweet
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Mar 13, 2023 07:04
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PinheadSlim posted:I don't give a poo poo if they don't want to get involved with anything, what's really gross is that they will sell you a gun to defend yourself with but balk at the idea of selling you ammo to defend yourself with. They have no business selling arms. Well, they are a bunch of Calvinists after all. This is a joke, Switzerland would still be awful regardless as to what church traditions were established there
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Mar 13, 2023 07:04
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634998624957657090 Are we defining core Wagner as the pre-2022 invasion forces? Because I was under the impression they've been reduced to prisoner mobiks for a while now
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Mar 13, 2023 07:10
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HonorableTB posted:Are we defining core Wagner as the pre-2022 invasion forces? Because I was under the impression they've been reduced to prisoner mobiks for a while now Pre-2022 invasion forces. They are no longer allowed to recruit prisoners and in some cases even their regular recruits are taken by the Russian army and subordinated under their units. Prigozhin also opened a ton of recruitment centers looking for new mercs because he has no other means to replenish his forces.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:12
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zone posted:Pre-2022 invasion forces. They are no longer allowed to recruit prisoners and in some cases even their regular recruits are taken by the Russian army and subordinated under their units. Prigozhin also opened a ton of recruitment centers looking for new mercs because he has no other means to replenish his forces. If he's been having trouble supplying ammo (at least if the recent issues we've read about were true and not purely theater, I think it was a mix myself) then I'm not sure what Wagner could offer recruits that the Russian Army couldn't at this point.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:32
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StrangersInTheNight posted:upset at not being the center of world conflict for the first time in 20 years, the US starts a with Switzerland to show them what's what and conquer their strategic chocolate stores. with a heavy heart I enlist, knowing full well the delicious wonderland that awaits me if I survive
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Mar 13, 2023 07:33
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Shinjobi posted:with a heavy heart I enlist, knowing full well the delicious wonderland that awaits me if I survive paging toblerone triangular
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Mar 13, 2023 07:34
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HonorableTB posted:If he's been having trouble supplying ammo (at least if the recent issues we've read about were true and not purely theater, I think it was a mix myself) then I'm not sure what Wagner could offer recruits that the Russian Army couldn't at this point. In theory higher salaries, better training and equipment, compared to the regular Russian army. Less so now after they sustained heavy losses, have no more cannon fodder prisoners, and Russian regular army aren't supplying them so well any more, not to mention that Wagner sometimes just doesn't pay their mercs on time, figuring that they don't have to if they just die on the battlefield. As far as the ammo issues go, I think the complaints of Prigozhin mainly revolved around having to make do with just what the regular Russian army gets, rather than the unlimited pipeline they had before and first pick of the supplies.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:36
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zone posted:In theory higher salaries, better training and equipment, compared to the regular Russian army. Less so now after they sustained heavy losses, have no more cannon fodder prisoners, and Russian regular army aren't supplying them so well any more, not to mention that Wagner sometimes just doesn't pay their mercs on time, figuring that they don't have to if they just die on the battlefield. As far as the ammo issues go, I think the complaints of Prigozhin mainly revolved around having to make do with just what the regular Russian army gets, rather than the unlimited pipeline they had before and first pick of the supplies. If I was actually well supplied and then dropped down to the mess the rest of the army gets I guess I'd complain too. We saw those reports recently that up to 50% of ammo is unusable once it reaches the front line for them
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Mar 13, 2023 07:38
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1634998624957657090 Sounds 100% believable, Wagner - even if you dont count prisoners - been getting ground up in Bakhmut for months now and trying to replace those losses becoming next to impossible.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:39
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HonorableTB posted:If I was actually well supplied and then dropped down to the mess the rest of the army gets I guess I'd complain too. We saw those reports recently that up to 50% of ammo is unusable once it reaches the front line for them It was reported last month that Prigozhin was demanding up to three times the number of shells the whole of the Russian army was firing on the battlefield daily for his own use, if the Russian army wanted to have Bakhmut captured. He directly filed his demand to Gerasimov after he kept antagonizing him before, which probably didn't win him any goodwill.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:41
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If there are any original Wagnerites alive they stayed that way by being in Syria or Africa. Cursory Google says Wagner has 5,000 deployed in Africa so this tracks lol
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Mar 13, 2023 07:42
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PinheadSlim posted:If there are any original Wagnerites alive they stayed that way by being in Syria or Africa. If Wagner as an operationally effective force is taken off the table by getting liquidated in Bakhmut then that would be a strategic victory for Ukraine considering Wagner's role in the Russian military and state hierarchy and structure
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Mar 13, 2023 07:48
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HonorableTB posted:If Wagner as an operationally effective force is taken off the table by getting liquidated in Bakhmut then that would be a strategic victory for Ukraine considering Wagner's role in the Russian military and state hierarchy and structure I very legitimately would not be surprised if that were the case. Pre-invasion they did not have anywhere close to 50,000. They recruited them recently, and it's been a solid year of smashing their heads into Ukrainian defensive lines over and over and over and over again. Losing 40,000 recently recruited Russian mercenaries over 13 months including wounded/missing/captured seems pretty much within the realm of possibility, especially considering how much their leadership is openly making GBS threads their diapers on social media.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:55
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 Today's published assessment by Ukrainian MoD. Heavy losses of artillery pieces reported yesterday.
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Mar 13, 2023 07:57
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Unwrapping my shiny new howitzer only to reveal a manufacturer's label - 'warning - not for use in wars' 
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Mar 13, 2023 08:01
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PinheadSlim posted:I very legitimately would not be surprised if that were the case. Pre-invasion they did not have anywhere close to 50,000. They recruited them recently, and it's been a solid year of smashing their heads into Ukrainian defensive lines over and over and over and over again. Losing 40,000 recently recruited Russian mercenaries over 13 months including wounded/missing/captured seems pretty much within the realm of possibility, especially considering how much their leadership is openly making GBS threads their diapers on social media. It's interesting, I wonder how much the US was able to help the Ukrainians as far as intelligence about Wagner went from the time in 2018 when the US Army erased 400 Wagnerites over the course of a night with repeated airstrikes from pretty much everything available in Syria. Cuz most of those weapons that liquidated the Wagners in Syria that time are the same weapons that are doing it again in Ukraine right now. And the US had real world combat experience against a near peer enemy (Wagner was amusingly supposed to get artillery and air support in that battle and got neither because those assets were uniformed Russian military and Wagner was still firmly PMC, and Russia knew what would happen if they supported Wagner as requested) that was using all of the most modern Russian equipment at the time.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:01
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1634845013879431170 This is the 103rd plant, the other 102 plants are making modern tanks
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Mar 13, 2023 08:02
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Speaking of Syria, I remember reading a report about Russian air power in Syria. I can't seem to find it via Google but I remember it as a scathingly bad report about how few of their planes actually worked. If memory serves it was something like 90% of planes were constantly grounded and being maintained due to the harsh environment. At the time I wrote it off as NATO propaganda but now I'm really not so sure lol
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Mar 13, 2023 08:04
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CNN posted:Russian air defenses shoot down four missiles over Belgorod, governor says https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-13-23/index.html 1. It would be really loving funny if all of those missiles were the same kind of rogue ones that keep turning around and plowing back into the ground as soon as they're launched that we've seen Russia use a few times 2. If it was Ukraine, what kind of long range missiles do they have that they could hit Belgorod with that aren't provided by the West? Because I am fairly certain any long range missiles going to Ukraine have that stipulation as #1 on them - Do Not Fire Into Russia - and I don't think Ukraine would ignore that. Did they have any remaining Tochka-Us or something?
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Mar 13, 2023 08:06
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What actually baffled me re: Syria is why Russia decided a couple months ago to send so much equipment there for whatever reason. It was also stuff like EW systems, radar stations, air defense, etc. which by then the mobiks and milbloggers were already complaining of not having enough of on the front at all.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:07
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HonorableTB posted:https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-13-23/index.html They have a small stock of Tochkas remaining that they occasionally use, but I have my doubts that it was actually missiles fired at them and it, as you said, seems more likely that these are failed launches from their own air defense systems.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:09
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PinheadSlim posted:I don't give a poo poo if they don't want to get involved with anything, what's really gross is that they will sell you a gun to defend yourself with but balk at the idea of selling you ammo to defend yourself with. They have no business selling arms. Doubly so because they gladly paid out the life insurances of Jewish holocaust victims to the nazis after they murdered the policy holders. They can pretend to be neutral and above it all but their hands are bloody.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:17
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PinheadSlim posted:I don't give a poo poo if they don't want to get involved with anything, what's really gross is that they will sell you a gun to defend yourself with but balk at the idea of selling you ammo to defend yourself with. They have no business selling arms. So if I sell weapons to your enemy, you may get angry with me, so I better not, and have good business relations with both. Rather everyone should just buy what they will eventually need from me, before there is any conflict. That is, everyone should buy huge stockpiles of perishable product from me, before there is any need, in case they ever need it. This is good for me financially, and I get to keep my reputation as neutral. Besides, this conflict does not really matter to me, because I am filthy stinking rich, and you are not, for the above reasons, go away please. How did I do?
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Mar 13, 2023 08:19
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zone posted:In theory higher salaries, better training and equipment, compared to the regular Russian army. Less so now after they sustained heavy losses, have no more cannon fodder prisoners, and Russian regular army aren't supplying them so well any more, not to mention that Wagner sometimes just doesn't pay their mercs on time, figuring that they don't have to if they just die on the battlefield. As far as the ammo issues go, I think the complaints of Prigozhin mainly revolved around having to make do with just what the regular Russian army gets, rather than the unlimited pipeline they had before and first pick of the supplies. I welcome anyone to correct me. wagner was suppose to be a professional army, that hid behind the idea its a PMC. Vs the RA which would be more along the conscript model....
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Mar 13, 2023 08:35
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Ups_rail posted:I welcome anyone to correct me. More like deniable forces for sketchy business operations and hype - which led to their use in Africa in the classic "foreign advisors" status and the massacre by american forces (when Russian command just pretended they did not know who they were). In this war it is hard to make sense since there were news of planes and tanks assigned to Wagner units but it still comes down to infantry before anything else - so no, they are not and has not been a replacement for professional army.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:46
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The swiss government are being tiny bitch babies about this and claiming neutrality means you cant supply arms to anyone in a remotely contentious war, and I know the government statements have pissed off a lot of arms manufacturers worried about swiss arms being unreliable or second rate because of this. With any luck this will kill their military sales becsuse normally they have no issue selling weapons to war criminals, despots and countries using them to commit human rights abuses. Its genuinely pathetic.
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Mar 13, 2023 08:48
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Karate Bastard posted:How did I do? Well enough that I'm having another drink I was going to have another one anyways 
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Mar 13, 2023 08:52
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zone posted:What actually baffled me re: Syria is why Russia decided a couple months ago to send so much equipment there for whatever reason. It was also stuff like EW systems, radar stations, air defense, etc. which by then the mobiks and milbloggers were already complaining of not having enough of on the front at all. My guess is that the skirmish between Wagener and US forces, however big or small it actually was, gave them the idea that if the West was going to go against Russia it would do so on every front, not just in Ukraine. Unless there's more fighting going in Syria than before then I don't see any other reason to transfer any amount of advanced equipment.
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Mar 13, 2023 09:00
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Ups_rail posted:I welcome anyone to correct me. Their main deal is being a deniable - but professional - arm for the Russian military.
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Mar 13, 2023 09:02
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zone posted:Their main deal is being a deniable - but professional - arm for the Russian military. That ship has sailed though
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Mar 13, 2023 09:04
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Ups_rail posted:I welcome anyone to correct me. Oh yeah I 100% believe that the 5,000-10,000 or so personnel they had before the start of the war were nothing but Russian army regulars or veterans. I just think the 40,000 they've recreuited/possibly lost since then are Randoms that signed up for the fat pay and that contributed to their possible heavy losses
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PinheadSlim posted:Oh yeah I 100% believe that the 5,000-10,000 or so personnel they had before the start of the war were nothing but Russian army regulars or veterans. Randoms and prisoners both. Recruitment was already beginning to falter from the prisons after they heard what was happening in the penal battalions.
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