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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

smellmycheese posted:

Help! Help! I’m being Cruxified!
"Ha, to everyone who called me a loving idiot, here's Peter Hitchens saying the exact same thing and also being called a loving idiot!"

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


It's impressive, in a way - she's managed to find a line that offends literally everyone including actual Nazis. Even the loving TERFs are in the comments throwing "so if a man calls himself a woman..." at her.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

She had more credibility when she was gobbling Johnson’s jism frankly

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

smellmycheese posted:

She had more credibility when she was gobbling Johnson’s jism frankly

Beautifully put, Mr cheese

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

The Perfect Element posted:

Love how Labour's core press strategy is 'avoid upsetting racists at all costs'.

Always has been

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1635237713921343494?t=E3sEGNj5RbmAGiSdKEmoTg&s=19

UK government doing more to destroy devolution and increase the chance of Scottish independence happening, as they are planning to block another unquestionably good thing.

Someone teach Alister Jack what deposit means. (Also lol at a Scottish person buying an Aldi 12 pack of Scottish water, loving hell, what do you think is coming out of your taps?(

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
So, Lineker won unconditionally then? Turns out this solidarity thing might be pretty effective

:thunk:

Loonytoad Quack
Aug 24, 2004

High on Shatner's Bassoon

forkboy84 posted:

https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1635237713921343494?t=E3sEGNj5RbmAGiSdKEmoTg&s=19

UK government doing more to destroy devolution and increase the chance of Scottish independence happening, as they are planning to block another unquestionably good thing.

Someone teach Alister Jack what deposit means. (Also lol at a Scottish person buying an Aldi 12 pack of Scottish water, loving hell, what do you think is coming out of your taps?(

The English government meddling in Scottish affairs is definitely a bad thing, but the Deposit Return Scheme is a total mess of legislation that disproportionately hits smaller suppliers over larger ones and is going to put a lot of already struggling independent drinks companies out of business.

It's stupid on so many levels the best thing for it at the moment is for it to be stopped ahead of being re-worked to actually make sense, but obviously this is the stupidest possible way to go about that.

And just to be clear, bottle/can recycling schemes are an excellent idea, and we should be implementing them across all of the UK, but the specific execution of the Scottish DRS scheme is just bad.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Loonytoad Quack posted:

The English government meddling in Scottish affairs is definitely a bad thing, but the Deposit Return Scheme is a total mess of legislation that disproportionately hits smaller suppliers over larger ones and is going to put a lot of already struggling independent drinks companies out of business.

It's stupid on so many levels the best thing for it at the moment is for it to be stopped, but obviously this is the stupidest possible way to go about that.

And just to be clear, bottle/can recycling schemes are an excellent idea, and we should be implementing them across all of the UK, but the specific execution of the Scottish DRS scheme is just bad.

Can you elaborate on what they are doing wrong? Why does it favour big business? I know this sounds like JAQing off but I just haven't really heard much negative about it except shrill cries about the prices for consumers going up

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Loonytoad Quack posted:

The English government meddling in Scottish affairs is definitely a bad thing, but the Deposit Return Scheme is a total mess of legislation that disproportionately hits smaller suppliers over larger ones and is going to put a lot of already struggling independent drinks companies out of business.

It's stupid on so many levels the best thing for it at the moment is for it to be stopped ahead of being re-worked to actually make sense, but obviously this is the stupidest possible way to go about that.

And just to be clear, bottle/can recycling schemes are an excellent idea, and we should be implementing them across all of the UK, but the specific execution of the Scottish DRS scheme is just bad.

Sweden has like a disco elysium style bottle recycling scheme. It's works pretty well, the tare is enough that you could just put a can on the ground and be pretty sure it'll be recycled, in urban settings at least.

Both aluminium and plastics are expensive and annoying to recycle, you pretty much have to force manufacturers to do it or they'll always prefer making it from new ore/oil instead

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Perfect Element posted:

Love how Labour's core press strategy is 'avoid upsetting racists at all costs'.

I think it's a sincere ideological position. Starmerism is extremely Blue Labour - and I don't mean that as an insult (even though it is one, and deservedly) but as a very specific description of a discrete ideological tendency. Making the party a safe place for bigots who might be up for a vaguely socialism-flavoured expansion of state power is an actual policy objective, not just a result of apathy and cowardice.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

forkboy84 posted:

Can you elaborate on what they are doing wrong? Why does it favour big business? I know this sounds like JAQing off but I just haven't really heard much negative about it except shrill cries about the prices for consumers going up

From that article alone it seems like all the potential new first ministers don't like the scheme. Which suggests it won't happen anyway.

guardian posted:

Senior SNP politicians have expressed doubts about the plans, including all three of the party’s leadership candidates. Humza Yousaf has suggested he would exclude small businesses in the scheme’s first year of operation. His main rival, Kate Forbes, has said the scheme would cause carnage for businesses. Ash Regan has said she would scrap the scheme in its current form.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

The Scarfolk art department have joined the No.10 team

https://twitter.com/RishiSunak/status/1635252482254200837

Loonytoad Quack
Aug 24, 2004

High on Shatner's Bassoon

forkboy84 posted:

Can you elaborate on what they are doing wrong? Why does it favour big business? I know this sounds like JAQing off but I just haven't really heard much negative about it except shrill cries about the prices for consumers going up

I can do an :effort:post later if people are genuinely interested, but to pull a couple of examples out:

  • It's a separate scheme from the one that is coming in the UK, so the cost of compliance is double for anyone that sells in both Scotland and rUK, as a Scottish company I would have to produce two labels and product lines; one for sale in Scotland and one for elsewhere (the labels are tracked, so if I ship my Scottish product outside of Scotland and the cans aren't returned, I get fined)
  • It causes significant cashflow issues for smaller business as you can return cans anywhere. So If I buy several slabs of beer from Tesco, I can take them back to the local tiny indie and they have to give me the cash back, then wait several months to be able to reclaim it.
  • There is an online orders component that means if someone orders beer to be delivered, they can request the supplier comes and collects the bottles regardless of where they were delivered. Again, because the Scottish scheme is separate from the rUK one that's coming, it means business in Scotland are likely to just stop selling outside the country.

There are very successful schemes that work perfectly well in Europe, particularly in the Nordics, following this model would be perfect, but that requires the central government to run it. In this case the administration of the scheme has been handed over to a private company made up of large drink suppliers, because of course it has, hence all of the issues likely to be seen.

Loonytoad Quack fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Mar 13, 2023

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Sweden has like a disco elysium style bottle recycling scheme. It's works pretty well, the tare is enough that you could just put a can on the ground and be pretty sure it'll be recycled, in urban settings at least.

Germany is the same; there's a small tax on every recyclable bottle, and most supermarkets have a machine to deposit them in that gives you the choice of getting a refund or donating it to charity.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Scotland should just leave the UK imo.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Loonytoad Quack posted:

I can do an :effort:post later if people are genuinely interested, but to pull a couple of examples out:

  • It's a separate scheme from the one that is coming in the UK, so the cost of compliance is double for anyone that sells in both Scotland and rUK, as a Scottish company I would have to produce two labels and product lines; one for sale in Scotland and one for elsewhere (the labels are tracked, so if I ship my Scottish product outside of Scotland and the cans aren't returned, I get fined)
  • It causes significant cashflow issues for smaller business as you can return cans anywhere. So If I buy several slabs of beer from Tesco, I can take them back to the local tiny indie and they have to give me the cash back, then wait several months to be able to reclaim it.
  • There is an online orders component that means if someone orders beer to be delivered, they can request the supplier comes and collects the bottles regardless of where they were delivered. Again, because the Scottish scheme is separate from the rUK one that's coming, it means business in Scotland are likely to just stop selling outside the country.

There are very successful schemes that work perfectly well in Europe, particularly in the Nordics, following this model would be perfect, but that requires the central government to run it. In this case the administration of the scheme has been handed over to a private company made up of large drink suppliers, because of course it has, hence all of the issues likely to be seen.

I'll be honest, I hadn't heard anything about a UK scheme coming in. Totally passed me by. I kind of assumed that by its nature it wouldn't happen because Tories. But yes, I can see having duplicate schemes as unneccessary. Still think the Scottish Government should kick up a fuss about Westminster overruling devolved governments though, anything to speed up the break up of the UK

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

This is from Rishi's official twitter feed.



He looks so huge :allears:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Failed Imagineer posted:

So, Lineker won unconditionally then? Turns out this solidarity thing might be pretty effective

:thunk:

I mean the conversation has completely moved on from the inhumane and cruel Tory policy to "It's all fine now because Match of the Day will be back" so it's unclear how much of a victory this is.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I remember when Lidl ran a trial recycling refund scheme that handed out like 10p a bottle/can. It was pretty good! They ran it for a month or two then said cool they're keeping the machine but no longer paying. So then why take your empties there rather than using the council bins? Good question. And of course then they got rid of the machines because no one was using them. What did they expect? Utterly bizarre decision to start one in the first place.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Failed Imagineer posted:

So, Lineker won unconditionally then? Turns out this solidarity thing might be pretty effective

:thunk:

Seems so yeah lol https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1635223707437404160

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Having paid returns for plastic and glass bottles works well in other countries. Not only is it good for waste/recycling, it also provides a shadow income for people at the bottom of the food chain. It's a win-win all around. We should have a nationwide system like that already in place.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gonzo McFee posted:

I mean the conversation has completely moved on from the inhumane and cruel Tory policy to "It's all fine now because Match of the Day will be back" so it's unclear how much of a victory this is.

Yeah I don't think it's a stunning victory for refugee rights, but at least seems like a personal victory for Crisp Man that his employer does not own him body and soul and he's entitled to express personal opinions outside of the workplace.

A victory for anyone who ever got in trouble for smoking fags down the town even though it was the weekend and they weren't wearing their school uniform

Deathslinger
Jul 12, 2022

How it started:

https://twitter.com/JasonPedlow/status/1634856925123977216

How it's going:

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1634888059337465857

This should be fun to watch. :munch:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Is there a way for them to both lose?

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I'm sorry, the ambassador of what now.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/13/fiona-bruce-to-step-down-as-refuge-ambassador-over-stanley-johnson-comments

loving parody country.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003


ok she’s gone, that means it’s cert the bbc head guy has to go too now

Answers Me
Apr 24, 2012
I’m sure it’s a case of jumping before she’s pushed, but it’d be funny if she’s basically gone “ok fine, I’ll ditch the domestic violence campaigning if it’s getting in the way of me defending Tories on the telly”

Autisanal Cheese
Nov 29, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

Is there a way for them to both lose?

I sure hope so.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

forkboy84 posted:

Is there a way for them to both lose?

Isn't O'Brien one of the liberals who has reached the "actually this isn't all that good, is it?" phase?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1635264973336367104

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Mega Comrade posted:

Yes that was Sian Berry, she wasn't very fond of him. Contrasted with Caroline Lucas publicly saying she wanted a German style coalition with Corbyn

"Corbynism will offer the Red; it will be enormously refreshing to at last have an opposition that will make a stand against the savagery of austerity and seek to take back key strategic industries such as the railways into public ownership,"

Sadly it never came to be. It had support from the majority of greens at the time.


Guess what went wrong:

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Jel Shaker posted:

ok she’s gone, that means it’s cert the bbc head guy has to go too now

for extra fun points replace him with Dominic Cummings

Alan G
Dec 27, 2003
https://twitter.com/richardosman/status/1635270181445595142

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Well I’m glad swift action by the Fed and the treasury has nipped that collapsed bank problem in the bu…oh

https://twitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1635278403791364099?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

fuctifino posted:

Having paid returns for plastic and glass bottles works well in other countries. Not only is it good for waste/recycling, it also provides a shadow income for people at the bottom of the food chain. It's a win-win all around. We should have a nationwide system like that already in place.

I agree 100% but it needs to be a nationalised initiative. Pointless if it's left to private companies.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/ionewells/status/1635254408450805767
establishing a compassionate asylum policy of gently caress Off We're Full, just on a temporary basis - the truly deserving will be able to apply for asylum after the consultation process and national debate, scheduled to last no more than 10 years (or more). until then, if you're fleeing persecution in your home country: gently caress Off We're Full.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

smellmycheese posted:

Well I’m glad swift action by the Fed and the treasury has nipped that collapsed bank problem in the bu…oh

https://twitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1635278403791364099?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Moral hazards are for thee, not for me , bail out our industry that shits the bed every 15 years

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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jel Shaker posted:

ok she’s gone, that means it’s cert the bbc head guy has to go too now

she hasnt gone from like question time or the bbc, just from that charity she had something to do with

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