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Just a toyota corolla MQ-9 predator too. Not one of the really expensive ones.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 18:49 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 07:01 |
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That's a pretty stupid game. Do they feel they're in a position to anger the US now?
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 18:50 |
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zone posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jogXZQW5D_E Lmao it is incredible how they correctly analyze everything right up until it's time to draw the final conclusion and then they hard right turn into HOW COULD AMERICA DO THIS Also, lol that some Russian pilots thought trading a big suka sukhoi-27 for a reaper drone was a good idea. Sure idiots, intentionally crash your irreplaceable planes into unmanned drones lmao While we're talking about drones, an interesting thing about drone jamming: You might ask, "why doesn't the drone just find the source of the jamming signal and fly a bomb to it?" Let's say you are the drone. You're walking around in a gymnasium. You're a drone person, so you don't do this because you want to. The coach (pilot) is talking to you from across the room, telling you where to move your feet. Suddenly, someone starts screaming from the corner of the gym. Screaming so loudly, you can't hear the coach speak your walking instructions. Since you're a drone person, you cannot make decisions. The coach (pilot) has to tell you where to go, but you can't hear him. From the coach's perspective, his drone person cannot move. He's speaking, but you're not listening. It's kinda like this, except the jammer isn't really one person screaming at you the drone in the gymnasium it's more like suddenly the gym is full of a thousand different screaming voices. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Mar 14, 2023 |
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Power Khan posted:That's a pretty stupid game. Do they feel they're in a position to anger the US now? While it's a pretty stupid game it kinda happens all the time. Not the downing bit though.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 18:59 |
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I wonder if US jets will escort now similar to what the brits do. Although, the jets would need refueling mid way or replaced by a new escort.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:05 |
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HonorableTB posted:Lmao it is incredible how they correctly analyze everything right up until it's time to draw the final conclusion and then they hard right turn into HOW COULD AMERICA DO THIS Drone jammer overwhelmes the drone with signal noise. I then slam dunk on your absurd analogy and the coach heads back to the locker room.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:05 |
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Tai posted:I wonder if US jets will escort now similar to what the brits do. Although, the jets would need refueling mid way or replaced by a new escort. Escort them with even MORE drones
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:06 |
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Vire posted:Considering the jet cost like twice as much as the reaper seems like a bad trade if it did went down. Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics. No way you're getting one for less than an old Sukhoi.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:09 |
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Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics which US doesn't have a problem sourcing
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:12 |
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah the difference between crashing or engaging a manned plane vs. an unmanned drone is a lot different, they've very clearly hugely different magnitudes. I guess, but have you considered that when you die controlling a drone you die in real life
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:13 |
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Power Khan posted:That's a pretty stupid game. Do they feel they're in a position to anger the US now? Eh, this is the kind of poo poo that gets a response from the US military. A lot of places run by idiots try to bully observation flights (as opposed to just having someone there going "I see you seeing me") and sometimes they gently caress up because doing that is really stupid. The US generally just considers it part of the cost of doing business. There might be some sputtering anger from some politicians but no one is going to give a gently caress.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:16 |
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They'll make a bit of a fuss over it, but it'll be pretty performative. Summoning ambassadors, telling him hes a dick and his country sucks. That kinda thing. but no US lives were put at risk and they have plenty of drones.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:28 |
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HonorableTB posted:You might ask, "why doesn't the drone just find the source of the jamming signal and fly a bomb to it?" Because the drone does not know where the jamming signal isn't
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:31 |
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Tai posted:Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics which US doesn't have a problem sourcing Yeah the US millitary is very careful to ensure a robust domestic supply chain for their hardware. I chatted with a Russian engineer about this once, even in the USSR days they were starting to become dependent on outside technology. Everything was supposed to be domestically sourced but you could get "emergency" temporary permission to use a western part. In theory these permissions were supposed to be a stopgap until local production got going but they relied more and more on them until the end.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:34 |
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Tiny Timbs posted:I guess, but have you considered that when you die controlling a drone you die in real life "Airman, report to the disintegration chamber."
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:37 |
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The real elite drone operators train with one drone. They live with it and maintain it, strengthening the bond between drone and operator. Then they are handed a gun and told to shoot it.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:39 |
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I hope the operator gets to at least like, stretch their legs and grab a Monster before they click "new drone"
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:43 |
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should've used a balloon imo
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:43 |
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LaserPrinter69 posted:Oh suddenly we care about the environmental impact of dumping fuel Pekinduck posted:I mean when you're writing the official response you might as well throw it in there ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely. Multiply that by the average number of daily sorties and were talking about an absolute gently caress ton of jet fuel getting dumped into the ocean daily.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:44 |
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Deptfordx posted:Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics. No way you're getting one for less than an old Sukhoi. Just going on what google said the cost of each not sure if its 100% accurate but the MQ-9 Reaper is 17 million a pop and a Su-27 is 30 million. I don't know where you would find more accurate prices on that.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:49 |
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Gresh posted:should've used a balloon imo Yeah, that came to mind, that this could be Russia trying to draw a parallel between the Chinese balloons, and US drone/recon flights: "Why is it OK for the US to shoot down balloons, and not for us to 'graze' its drones?" Key distinction of course is that the US/NATO haven't violated Russian airspace.
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Tigey posted:Yeah, that came to mind, that this could be Russia trying to draw a parallel between the Chinese balloons, and US drone/recon flights: "Why is it OK for the US to shoot down balloons, and not for us to 'graze' its drones?" I mean, the US also then shot down a couple of its own balloons as a make-good, so not a great precedent.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:51 |
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Dick Bastardly posted:ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely. christ thats depressing
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:53 |
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Flowers for QAnon posted:Drone jammer overwhelmes the drone with signal noise. I then slam dunk on your absurd analogy and the coach heads back to the locker room. aw man im the posting washington generals
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:58 |
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Dick Bastardly posted:ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely. I take it's in full liquid form and not like, fuel canisters that could realistically be recovered?
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:00 |
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Deki posted:I take it's in full liquid form and not like, fuel canisters that could realistically be recovered?
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:01 |
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There must be a more efficient way to defeat the whales...
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:04 |
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I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:07 |
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Deki posted:I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry. The only situation where that would be a thing is if there are those extra fuel tanks under the wings for longer flights. Generally though if a plane dumps fuel it's literally the liquid spraying directly out of the aircraft, not like fuel tanks themselves.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:09 |
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Deki posted:I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry. The additional fuel tanks don't have any kind of recovery system. If they get jettisoned they impact the ocean (or the ground) at high speed and are destroyed.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:11 |
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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1635609882505379840?s=20
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:17 |
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Time to deny Russia the continued use of military jet aircraft. Who has street view open and knows where to find a lot of dry wood and gas cans?
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:17 |
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So only 1/10,000 of him actually likes Russia? Seems about right
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:18 |
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Civilian planes also can dump fuel, depending on the altitude they do it at a lot/most of it evaporates before it hits the ground/ocean. Though idk if that makes it better. If you do it too low though it hits the ground and there is at least 1 instance where they dumped fuel over a neighboorhood and everyone got sick.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:19 |
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Much like Putin, he also likes pooping his pants
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:21 |
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Dumping fuel isn't incredibly terrible for the environment; it evaporates quickly. Civilian planes sometimes have to do it in emergencies.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:30 |
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Telsa Cola posted:Civilian planes also can dump fuel, depending on the altitude they do it at a lot/most of it evaporates before it hits the ground/ocean. Though idk if that makes it better. *some* civilian planes can dump fuel. 757 doesn’t need to because it’s max landing weight is similar to its max takeoff weight. Also change “a neighbourhood” to “an elementary school” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_89
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:33 |
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Dick Bastardly posted:ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely. Military jet fuel AKA JP-8 is kerosene with some additives. Arguably burning it is more harmful to the environment than dumping it in the ocean since it just evaporates
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:47 |
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Deki posted:I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry. I'm lolling at the mental image of an F35 jettisoning its fuel tank into the ocean, and the pilot just looking down going "shitttt.... why is there even a button for that" In Russia chat, I'm getting the impression from public releases that the reaction from the Pentagon is a collective shoulder shrug
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 20:47 |
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Vire posted:Just going on what google said the cost of each not sure if its 100% accurate but the MQ-9 Reaper is 17 million a pop and a Su-27 is 30 million. I don't know where you would find more accurate prices on that. You're looking at an older cost because they're north of 30 million for a new one now. .
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