zone posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jogXZQW5D_E
Two new intercepted phone calls. One's just a DPR soldier recovering from his wounds in a hospital, complaining about his treatment and its quality there, being forced to go back to the front. So instead he decided he wanted to up and leave back to his hometown to get treatment at his local hospital.

Now the other intercept is pretty interesting, it's from one of the people who coordinated the hullabaloo in Luhansk that eventually became a full scale civil war. What he essentially said was that few to none of the locals - which squares once again with what Strelkov had to say - were interested in any separatist movement being formed. He also blamed so-called fifth columnists, the leadership of Russia itself, and everyone else he could think of for the disastrous result of this invasion. What's more, this agent says that, or rather admits, that it's not no HATO and American mercs that made this happen, just Ukraine alone with whatever help they got and their own trained armies. He ends on an extremely bitter note that this was all supposedly set up and planned by America to destroy Russia as a geopolitical threat. My dear traitor, this would never have happened if you and the others hadn't provoked it to start with.

Power Khan posted:

That's a pretty stupid game. Do they feel they're in a position to anger the US now?

HonorableTB posted:

Lmao it is incredible how they correctly analyze everything right up until it's time to draw the final conclusion and then they hard right turn into HOW COULD AMERICA DO THIS

Also, lol that some Russian pilots thought trading a big suka sukhoi-27 for a reaper drone was a good idea. Sure idiots, intentionally crash your irreplaceable planes into unmanned drones lmao

While we're talking about drones, an interesting thing about drone jamming:



You might ask, "why doesn't the drone just find the source of the jamming signal and fly a bomb to it?"

Let's say you are the drone.

You're walking around in a gymnasium. You're a drone person, so you don't do this because you want to. The coach (pilot) is talking to you from across the room, telling you where to move your feet.

Suddenly, someone starts screaming from the corner of the gym. Screaming so loudly, you can't hear the coach speak your walking instructions. Since you're a drone person, you cannot make decisions. The coach (pilot) has to tell you where to go, but you can't hear him.

From the coach's perspective, his drone person cannot move. He's speaking, but you're not listening.

It's kinda like this, except the jammer isn't really one person screaming at you the drone in the gymnasium it's more like suddenly the gym is full of a thousand different screaming voices.

Tai posted:

I wonder if US jets will escort now similar to what the brits do. Although, the jets would need refueling mid way or replaced by a new escort.

Vire posted:

Considering the jet cost like twice as much as the reaper seems like a bad trade if it did went down.

Toxic Mental posted:

Yeah the difference between crashing or engaging a manned plane vs. an unmanned drone is a lot different, they've very clearly hugely different magnitudes.

Power Khan posted:

That's a pretty stupid game. Do they feel they're in a position to anger the US now?

HonorableTB posted:

You might ask, "why doesn't the drone just find the source of the jamming signal and fly a bomb to it?"

Tai posted:

Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics which US doesn't have a problem sourcing

Tiny Timbs posted:

I guess, but have you considered that when you die controlling a drone you die in real life

LaserPrinter69 posted:

Oh suddenly we care about the environmental impact of dumping fuel

Pekinduck posted:

I mean when you're writing the official response you might as well throw it in there

Deptfordx posted:

Those things are packed with extremely expensive electronics. No way you're getting one for less than an old Sukhoi.

Gresh posted:

should've used a balloon imo

Tigey posted:

Yeah, that came to mind, that this could be Russia trying to draw a parallel between the Chinese balloons, and US drone/recon flights: "Why is it OK for the US to shoot down balloons, and not for us to 'graze' its drones?"

Key distinction of course is that the US/NATO haven't violated Russian airspace.

Dick Bastardly posted:

ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely.

Multiply that by the average number of daily sorties and were talking about an absolute gently caress ton of jet fuel getting dumped into the ocean daily.

Flowers for QAnon posted:

Drone jammer overwhelmes the drone with signal noise. I then slam dunk on your absurd analogy and the coach heads back to the locker room.

Dick Bastardly posted:

ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely.

Multiply that by the average number of daily sorties and were talking about an absolute gently caress ton of jet fuel getting dumped into the ocean daily.

Deki posted:

I take it's in full liquid form and not like, fuel canisters that could realistically be recovered?

KakerMix posted:

Deki posted:

I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry.

Deki posted:

I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry.

Alan Smithee posted:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1635609882505379840?s=20

Alan Smithee posted:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1635609882505379840?s=20

Telsa Cola posted:

Civilian planes also can dump fuel, depending on the altitude they do it at a lot/most of it evaporates before it hits the ground/ocean. Though idk if that makes it better.

If you do it too low though it hits the ground and there is at least 1 instance where they dumped fuel over a neighboorhood and everyone got sick.

Dick Bastardly posted:

ironically every carrier based sortie (unless diverted to an airfield or the mission is far enough to expend the requisite volume of fuel through combustion) must dump their fuel into the sea before returning to the carrier in order to get under the weight limit for the arresting gear to catch them safely.

Multiply that by the average number of daily sorties and were talking about an absolute gently caress ton of jet fuel getting dumped into the ocean daily.

Deki posted:

I'm ignorant as gently caress when it comes to planes, I'm just asking if it drops the tank itself or if it basically pisses a stream of fuel until the tank's dry.

Vire posted:

Just going on what google said the cost of each not sure if its 100% accurate but the MQ-9 Reaper is 17 million a pop and a Su-27 is 30 million. I don't know where you would find more accurate prices on that.