DeathSandwich posted:

Yeah, VR workspaces have always been dead in the water, and I think the only ones it wasn't apparent to was Facebook and the investors themselves.

VR is, I would say, more dead than not in the traditional gaming space, though I guess we'll see what happens with the psvr2. The only place I think it still would get a lot of play is in the simulation arena - DCS, iRacing, Microsoft Flight and the like. The sort of things where you're fixed in a cockpit and benefit greatly from the ability to look around in real time.

evilweasel posted:

"facebook" doesn't think vr meetings are the future. zuck does. everyone else at facebook knows how god-awful they are - even more than you or i - because zuck keeps trying to make them a thing and so they've had to sit through them for real instead of just imagining it.

Mega Comrade posted:

Laying off your entire AI ethics team just in time for the System Shock remake launch.

PT6A posted:

Vehicle-based poo poo is ideal for VR because the idea is you're simulating the experience of just sitting there and operating the vehicle. When I think of other VR experiences I would like, they all primarily involve sitting/observing as the world goes by.

Imagine Roller Coaster Tycoon but you can ride the coasters in VR. That'd be loving sweet.

Boris Galerkin posted:

I’ve sat in those “virtual coaster” type rides which is just an enclosed box on rails that can tilt, lift, lower, etc. That experience is absolutely nothing like riding a real actual rollercoaster capable of dropping you hundreds of feet while inverted.

PT6A posted:

Yeah I've been in those too, and they are assuredly rear end, I just think it'd be fun to do it with a VR headset for $40 or something at home while getting drunk. Obviously it's not the same, in the way that flying a plane in VR is not like flying a real plane, but it's still a good experience. And I think those virtual coasters are basically the Redbirds of coaster simulation: they suck, but they're very large and impressive and expensive so we're supposed to pretend they're not awful.

sinky posted:

Boris Galerkin posted:

I dunno about you, but I ride rollercoasters for the thrill it puts on my body. What fun would it be to sit in a chair and watch myself allegedly being dropped down a ramp?

I feel like the comparison to flying a VR plane is different. I mean unless you’re doing like VR dogfighting, sitting comfortably in a motionless chair seems to be what pilots actually experience.

Boris Galerkin posted:

I dunno about you, but I ride rollercoasters for the thrill it puts on my body. What fun would it be to sit in a chair and watch myself allegedly being dropped down a ramp?

I feel like the comparison to flying a VR plane is different. I mean unless you’re doing like VR dogfighting, sitting comfortably in a motionless chair seems to be what pilots actually experience.

Mega Comrade posted:

Oh well that's reassuring

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23638823/microsoft-ethics-society-team-responsible-ai-layoffs

Laying off your entire AI ethics team just in time for GTP4s launch.

quote:

Many existing ML benchmarks are written in English. To get an initial sense of capability in other languages, we translated the MMLU benchmark—a suite of 14,000 multiple-choice problems spanning 57 subjects—into a variety of languages using Azure Translate (see Appendix). In the 24 of 26 languages tested, GPT-4 outperforms the English-language performance of GPT-3.5 and other LLMs (Chinchilla, PaLM), including for low-resource languages such as Latvian, Welsh, and Swahili:

cinci zoo sniper posted:

That's an alright tradeoff, I feel.

OddObserver posted:

... How good is Azure translate output for Latvian?

tractor fanatic posted:

VR's benefit isn't about trying to badly simulate reality. A VR conference room is just as boring as a real one, and a VR roller coaster isn't as fun. What's cool is the ability to do things you simply can't do IRL, like the videos on the top of this page. The killer app for me when I first tried VR was just the SteamVR home demo, where you could just use a spray paint can to create 3D shapes in the air.

quote:

Given both
the competitive landscape and the safety implications of large-scale models like GPT-4, this report
contains no further details about the architecture (including model size), hardware, training compute,
dataset construction, training method, or similar.

Magic Underwear posted:

🤦‍♂️did this mf just say that creating 3d shapes is a killer app

Edit: behold the killer app, give me vc millions plz

tractor fanatic posted:

Sorry, I didn't realize play doh could float. Or that you could scale it, or duplicate it, or transmit it, or literally anything you can do with something that exists digitally.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Maybe a bit more seriously, I have two threads of thought on GPT-4 at the moment, that are of relevance to this thread:

1) Unsurprisingly to anyone but the most naive, OpenAI snobs have gone fully closed-source.

Which is interesting both as a repeat of the “don't be evil” vanishing episode, and as a departure from the realm of scientific communication to at best a realm of defensive marketing.

2) Really not looking forward to SEO spam 3.0, where there's going to be a bunch of hallucinated poo poo polluting everything you read.

tractor fanatic posted:

Sorry, I didn't realize play doh could float. Or that you could scale it, or duplicate it, or transmit it, or literally anything you can do with something that exists digitally.

evilweasel posted:

you're describing stuff that's existed for 20 years or more

in fact 20 years ago you could even feel the stuff virtually too

Magic Underwear posted:

2. Who cares, Google is already 90% useless content farms polluting every search, we already have to filter it out. Hallucinated garbage vs. third-world seo bait is not that much of a difference, the cardinal rule remains "consider the source".

OddObserver posted:

VR games aren't for me, but I can understand why some people may want them and why, say, Sony, would put in money into making a VR product.... But who the heck wants VR for meetings ?

evilweasel posted:

you're describing stuff that's existed for 20 years or more

in fact 20 years ago you could even feel the stuff virtually too

cinci zoo sniper posted:

The who cares part comes in when you imagine AI-generated comments on discussion spaces like Reddit, HN, etcetera. For example, there's r/BuyItForLife subreddit, which sometimes have decent reviews/points to fairly niche things, e.g., if you're shopping for a torch that can take a beating. Just the other day, I saw someone fine-tune a GPT-based chatbot with the threads and comments of that subreddit. Literally, the whole point of it is authentic interactions, and now there's a bot just randomly making poo poo up about the best umbrellas or whatever, that may not even be real.

When we get to the point in mass adoption where these things are properly cheap, there's going to be a real premium on a service that guarantees that you're talking to a real person. I think there's a decent chance that the only social media worth reading will be pay-per-post, basically, although we're kind-of already moving in that direction with the paid “verification” stuff. Ironic, considering the website I'm typing this all on.

RedZone posted:

Just to piggyback on this a bit, Google released a trailer today showing new AI features that they are adding to their Workspace product line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DaJVZBXETE. We are in for a really bleak future with these language models... In addition to trashing social interactions online, we are going to get to a point where we are outsourcing critical thinking, reading comprehension, and the basic fundamentals of being an informed human being to this type of tech. It's going to be a weird time when most conversations will just be someone sending out an AI-generated message, followed by everyone saying "summarize and send a reply to this thread" to an AI.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Just to be clear, I don't want my post to be associated with doomerism.

RedZone posted:

Sorry, wasn't going for a doomer angle. Just a general annoyance at the mountain of AI-generated bullshit that we will have to wade through.

HolHorsejob posted:

I wonder how you'd even cut through that. Trying to find reviews on products where 99.25% of text content having to do with purchasable products after a certain date is extruded from a language model to hawk DLINDBLE and ZQMFB.

I feel like static text-based discussion would just become flat-out unusable for real discussion, especially if there was anything material at stake (economic, political, etc.)

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I mean, you won't defeat someone sitting there and typing things in and out of ChatGPT, but you can do a lot by slapping like $10/month for “real person” checkmark. Then you just need to pay attention to these paying accounts and make sure that they don't cheat by hot-wiring a chatbot to work the website in their place, for a hypothetical.

Magic Underwear posted:

Indeed! Here is a video that blew my mind back in college, it does what you're talking about in 1962! Suffice to say the demo you're talking about is hardly a new capability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RyU50qbvzQ

MixMasterMalaria posted:

This is like pointing at Photoshop / digital art tools and laughing because we have pencils, ink, paints, dyes, brushes, mosaic tiles, resins, etc. for 2D art which could just be scanned. There's huge advantages to working in digital space (and major tradeoffs) for many workflows, esp now that we have destinations like game engines, accessible 3D suites, and 3D printers.

OctaMurk posted:

AR would be real cool if i could have some glasses that display my speed and nav when im on a motorcycle