commando in tophat posted:

The funniest thing about blacking out was that if a commando stands next to pilot, there is no effect on him. Unless they've added proper forces on poo poo inside of ship, but it is CIG, so I assume no

Tippis posted:

Right.
It's not even beta yet.
But the game “has come so far”.
But it has been in development since 2010, according to Chris.
But this is normal after more than half a billion dollars have gone into that development.
But that's actually games industry giant Time Warner (wtf?!) making you believe this equation doesn't balance out.

Right, right, riiiiiight. That's some very impressive reality-warping dissonance at play right there.

Fidelitious posted:

In the common usage within the games industry, Star Citizen is not even alpha yet, let's not give them more credit than they deserve.
To declare the alpha milestone you should have 2 major pieces

- All the functionality that was designed for. Regarding SC, we should highlight that this most definitely includes fundamental networking technology. The functionality can be buggy and unoptimized, but it needs to exist.
- Representative content for all the parts of the game that were designed for. It can be unpolished but it needs to exist.

Alpha content and functionality are subject to change because designs can change from input during internal alpha testing but this is the general idea. My experience with this is how the whole flight idea got thrown in to Anthem as it was moving towards closed alpha.

SC is quite the hodgepodge of development but I'd say they have pieces ranging from prototype only, pre-alpha, and a few bits that could be considered alpha...maybe.
The game as a whole is a very weak pre-alpha.

After more than a decade.

Mendrian posted:

It is impossible to put SC into alpha because they don't even know what their core features are, let alone completing them.

Randalor posted:

So what kind of a scam does Star Citizen fall into anyways? The closest things I can think of are either MLM or Ponzi schemes, but MLMs actually give you a product and an incentive for you to get others to buy into it and ponzi schemes have the promise of giving you money.

Randalor posted:

So what kind of a scam does Star Citizen fall into anyways? The closest things I can think of are either MLM or Ponzi schemes, but MLMs actually give you a product and an incentive for you to get others to buy into it and ponzi schemes have the promise of giving you money.

I'm kind of proud to be a Star Citizen, right now posted:

I know this is hokey, and I know we've seen our share of gamer rage over the last week, but do people remember how bad it was on the community when Andromeda tanked, or when Overwatch was bouncing people out of the login? The internet wants people to fail. The internet makes content out of people failing, and it gets paid for doing so. It wants epic, expensive failures above every other variety of failure... and as a community, we've kept that part of the conversation from overwhelming the community as a whole.

I'm not saying we don't have our problems with toxicity, but we remain aware of that problem and we all work together to manage it. This is one of those times when we REALLY could have fallen apart. We really could have.

We didn't. I believe that we won't. This doesn't just give me hope for Star Citizen. It gives me hope that we can fight through our own Messer regimes, and our own failing ecosystems, and that we can bend the numbers and the trajectory of our future just enough to reach for the stars.

Keep up the good work, Citizens. Onward to PES, and Pyro, and beyond.

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I'm totally with you with this sentiment.

I'm brand new to this game, I watched the first videos CR revealed ten years ago and was amazed. Then I forgot about the game because I knew it would either be years and years before he actually produced something I could meaningfully interact with, or it would go nowhere and fizzle out.

Fast forward to October last year and my son told me to give it a try. I was amazed. Promptly deleted Elite Dangerous and No Man's Sky and haven't play much else since then . The 3.17.3 build was more of what I wanted from a space sim than either of those games. Happy Space Dad.

The features to be implemented 3.18 are highly likely to make the game even better (when they fix the bugs that are plaguing the live release).

The above sentence is the only rational way of thinking at the minute, in my view. The live game has been unplayable for a few days. That's the extent of the "disaster" we're "going through".

We are (I believe) mostly mature gamers with busy lives outside of this little fantasy land of ours. So I'm a bit dismayed at the sheer volume of bile being poured into spectrum at the minute. It's just pure impatience. No doubt in no small part due to content creators like salty mike and the other one, grumpy eye stirring people up into a spitting frenzy of righteous indignation. But it doesn't do anyone any favours. CIG don't care what they think. The numbers of people trying to log on to the SC servers speaks far more eloquently of the opinion of the playerbase than any Karen on YT ever will.

And that is why CIG keep going: we keep coming back for more.

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I just want to add my voice to all this.

Despite only joining last year, and obviously not having been through the rollercoaster of previous years, I'm currently optimistic. The fact that they're actually making progress after all these years and are now adding groundbreaking tech shows their ambition and, like it or not, technical savvy. It must be horribly complex to do. I get a headache just thinking of all the dependencies. Add in a presumable poor management factor, and I just have to be impressed by what they've achieved so far. I've wanted such a game for a LONG time and I'm totally blown away by what we have at this stage.

Now, are they too ambitious? Maybe. But then again, where would science be if noe one had pushed the boundaries at certain points? That's what I consider CIG is doing here. If it's not new tech, it's certainly scale which is a big factor. PES, server meshing, all the physics, quanta (that background economics thingy?), beautifully detailed ships and other models/objects. Just try to imagine how their infrastructure has to look to get all that working seamlessly and without hiccups, lag, rubberbanding or just working at all. They need to stress test these things iteratively in incrementes. I say give them some slack.

As an additional note to the programming side of things. Judging by some comments here and there, it seems some folks have a black & white view on this. The devs are either masterminds, or their complete poo poo. In reality, there's a whole host of factors in getting dev teams to operate like a well oiled machine. Differing coding practices, language barriers (in some cases), opposing views on how to attack certain problems, varying degrees of competence, reluctancy to speak up, the ol' management problem, money, probably too many (or too few) stand-up meetings, more money, deadlines, burnouts, etc.

My point? Give them some slack. I'm looking forward to playing whenever they get the recent stuff sorted out.

Randalor posted:

So what kind of a scam does Star Citizen fall into anyways? The closest things I can think of are either MLM or Ponzi schemes, but MLMs actually give you a product and an incentive for you to get others to buy into it and ponzi schemes have the promise of giving you money.

Randalor posted:

So what kind of a scam does Star Citizen fall into anyways? The closest things I can think of are either MLM or Ponzi schemes, but MLMs actually give you a product and an incentive for you to get others to buy into it and ponzi schemes have the promise of giving you money.

Gort posted:

Yeah, I don't think Star Citizen started out a scam - I think they fully intended to make a game on day one, and release it after a few years of dev work.

It's just that they made so many ridiculous, unachievable promises since then that the game has become a scam - the people who bought in on day one have now been scammed, because the project has bloated to the point where what they paid for won't be achieved.

It's a bit like paying a guy to design and build you a rowing boat, except then a bunch of other people made him the same deal, and he got so rich and out of control that he keeps increasing the size of the project. Eventually he spends the rest of his life trying to build you a 200,000-ton wooden cruise ship, having hired hundreds of subordinates all over the world. It never works and nobody who paid him gets what they wanted, not you who just wanted a rowing boat, and not all the people who bought into the successively-larger designs along the way.

Mendrian posted:

The game is more like a vertical slice or proof-of-concept which is very telling considering it's primary purpose is to sell more ships, rather than to test anything.

Mirificus posted:

Promptly deleted Elite Dangerous and No Man's Sky and haven't play much else since then.

Mirificus posted:

We are (I believe) mostly mature gamers

Mellow_ posted:

lmao

lobsterminator posted:

lobsterminator posted:

i am a moron posted:

It absolutely started out as a scam and is a scam and has had known scammers involved since day 1

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Whether or not it's a scam, at this point it's extremely likely that at least some of the developers at CIG are fully aware this game is never going to work and their sole goal is to just milk the citizens for as much money as possible for as long as possible. It's impossible to tell if Chris is one of those people, but from an outsider's perspective, during the last few years he seems to operating as if he is one.

Popete posted:

It may not have been an outright scam in the sense they didn't plan to ever deliver anything but it was a scam in that they were promising things that they either knew or should have known they couldn't deliver on. Looking at the Kickstarter stretch goals show how insanely over ambitious they were being.

Mirificus posted:

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We didn't. I believe that we won't. This doesn't just give me hope for Star Citizen. It gives me hope that we can fight through our own Messer regimes, and our own failing ecosystems, and that we can bend the numbers and the trajectory of our future just enough to reach for the stars.

Keep up the good work, Citizens. Onward to PES, and Pyro, and beyond.

i am a moron posted:

It absolutely started out as a scam and is a scam and has had known scammers involved since day 1

lobsterminator posted:

IAbsolveMyself posted:

never mind that CR, Ortwin, and the Elmses ran scams before, because this time they had pure intentions. Listen to co-founder Sandi in 2012 and 13 talking about the project. You can tell it is all genuine. That sort of passion can't be faked.

Experimental Skin posted:

This is true. Right from the beginning there were major lies in the marketing about the state of the game.

The original intent was to make a game using the tried and true method of fake it till you make it.

At some point they discovered they only had to fake it to make money indefinitely.

At a later point they realised they didn't have any idea how to make it and continued to fake it.

colonelwest posted:

Apparently the more ships you own the worse the crashes and bugs are right now…