Gresh posted:

Frosted Flake posted:

Right, but you have to think of it from the perspective of Imperial Japan. Breslau, Dunkirk, Lorient and the Courland Pocket holding out until May 8th did absolutely nothing for Germany, whatsoever. They were all bypassed, the Germans took atrocious military and civilian casualties holding on to them, the war was lost - but I'm sure you could say from Japan's perspective it was advantageous or something. Not a perfect 1:1 but my point is Ukraine being reduced to a noncontiguous series of encircled cities while refusing to surrender would not help them, but may still be the direction in which things are pushed.

I'm sure there would be a great media narrative around it, though I'm not sure what, but from NATO's perspective, if they can't be Brave Little Belgium, or Vietnam, then Ukraine still might have some use as Grozny, and they won't pass it up.

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1636191896556154881

Starsfan posted:

My recollection of the scandal that forced him to resign was that he publicly admitted (in response to the missile hitting that apartment) that the Ukrainian army didn't have the capability to shoot down certain types of Russian missiles, which ran counter to the Ukrainian government narrative that Ukraine was shooting down all the Russian missiles. There was an uproar over him admitting weakness and then his attempt to salvage the narrative made the situation worse by revising his statements to clarify that the army could shoot down the missiles and in fact the reason that the missile hit the apartment building was because the army intercepted it on it's way to it's real target, which ran counter to the Ukrainian government narrative that the Russians had intentionally targeted the apartment as a war crime.

So he was caught in a no win situation between two opposing propaganda narratives.

Still bizarre how quickly he became the pro-Russia guy after being the #1 propaganda dude for Ukraine lol.. There were rumors when he was fired it was to basically run as a controlled opposition figure to Zelensky in the upcoming election.. Can't see that happening now.

**This guy gives of a massive Anthony Scaramucci vibe to me and the fact that he was the mouthpiece of the Ukrainian administration for like 9 months instead of 17 days or w/e probably says all you need to know about the level the Ukrainian government is operating at.

Starsfan posted:

My recollection of the scandal that forced him to resign was that he publicly admitted (in response to the missile hitting that apartment) that the Ukrainian army didn't have the capability to shoot down certain types of Russian missiles, which ran counter to the Ukrainian government narrative that Ukraine was shooting down all the Russian missiles. There was an uproar over him admitting weakness and then his attempt to salvage the narrative made the situation worse by revising his statements to clarify that the army could shoot down the missiles and in fact the reason that the missile hit the apartment building was because the army intercepted it on it's way to it's real target, which ran counter to the Ukrainian government narrative that the Russians had intentionally targeted the apartment as a war crime.

So he was caught in a no win situation between two opposing propaganda narratives.

Still bizarre how quickly he became the pro-Russia guy after being the #1 propaganda dude for Ukraine lol.. There were rumors when he was fired it was to basically run as a controlled opposition figure to Zelensky in the upcoming election.. Can't see that happening now.

**This guy gives of a massive Anthony Scaramucci vibe to me and the fact that he was the mouthpiece of the Ukrainian administration for like 9 months instead of 17 days or w/e probably says all you need to know about the level the Ukrainian government is operating at.

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1636191896556154881

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1636191896556154881

quote:

In Zhytomyr region, three Putinists were informed on suspicion: praising Russia and justifying its actions

While pre-trial investigations were completed, indictments were sent to court.

Three residents of Zhytomyr region, supporters of the "Russian peace", were informed of suspicion. Two residents of Korosten and Zhitomir districts and Zhitomir resident supported the actions of the aggressor country in Ukraine.

About this "Public" told the press officer of the SBU in Zhytomyr region Irina Martynyuk.

Thus, one suspect, a resident of the village Gladkovichi of Korosten district, generally praised the Russian Federation and its leadership in the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. In particular, once in the village bread store, he urged local residents and other customers to support the occupiers. They said, 'Only Russia will bring order and establish peace in Ukraine.

"When he failed to convince those present, the agitator made his final 'argument' that where the Rashists 'bombed Ukrainians - it wasn't enough, need to bomb more,'" Irina Martynyuk told me.

Similar Kremlin narratives were spread by a native of Donetsk living in Zhytomyr. In the park, the handyman told everyone present that it was allegedly "the Ukrainian authorities and the AFU came to the Russian city of Donetsk in 2014 and unleashed the war."

"He generally claimed that 'there is no Ukrainian nation: there are Khokhlys, and they must be strangled, killed, and destroyed. During an argument with those around him, the man assured that Zhytomyr was also part of the Russian empire, and then called on the current president of Russia." Putin to come to the territory of Ukraine and destroy it," said Iryna Martyniuk.

A native of Arkhangelsk Oblast, who moved to one of the villages of Zhytomyr District in the 1990s, was also involved in propaganda. Despite his long residence in Ukraine, the Russian did not change his citizenship, nor did he lose his "Russian-imperial" ideology.

"In conversations with his fellow villagers, the man claimed that "soon Russian troops will kick out all the Nazi power that rules Ukraine." He was also fond of the political top of the aggressor state and called for the killing of Ukrainians themselves because 'they are all Banderites,'" Martynyuk said.

The first two Putinists were reported as suspected of collaborative activities. The Russian is suspected of "justification, recognition of legitimate armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine." While pre-trial investigations have been completed, the indictments were sent to court.

We will remind, law enforcement officers detained a 42-year-old resident of the village Gusinka Kupyanskogo district of Kharkiv region. The woman is suspected of involvement in assistance to the Russian troops. The intruder also corrected enemy missile strikes. The woman gave them data on the accuracy of missile arrivals at the places where the AFU ammunition was stored.

Lostconfused posted:

Decades ago he was hanging out with Dugin talking about how the orange revolution was a catholic attempt to destroy slavic orthodoxy.

Lostconfused posted:

https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/v-zhitom...ya-2285947.html

Lostconfused posted:

I forget the details, the whole thing is on youtube somewhere.

But I mean he was going about how it's the orange revolution because of the significance of orange to who is it Lutherans? Somebody else? The conference was called anti-orange eurasian movement or something, so he got philosophical about it.

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1636191896556154881

Jazerus posted:

what, an orange revolution like william of fuckin orange??

Futanari Damacy posted:

mlmp08 posted:

The soldiers of tomorrow 8 years from now or so.
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1635980518222077953?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ

DancingShade posted:

Warms your heart doesn't it? It's great to see students so attentive to their lessons.

Certainly beats being told about dead kings in the 1300s by someone reading from a dusty textbook.

Slavvy posted:

There is no culture on earth that would do any different when pressed

Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1636253556482138112?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

god drat the ukranians are reaching insane levels of casualties, theyve lost so many people

if they dont succeed in their supposed next offensive theyre 100% toast

i genuinely wonder what russia is planning if anything.

Horizon Burning posted:

I imagine they're planning more of the same if ukraine is intent on feeding into the bakhmut grinder. this war is so stupid

Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1636253556482138112?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

god drat the ukranians are reaching insane levels of casualties, theyve lost so many people

if they dont succeed in their supposed next offensive theyre 100% toast

i genuinely wonder what russia is planning if anything.

Zudgemud posted:

I don't think the next big offensive will materialize in any meaningful way unless Russia commits huge idiotic strategic mistakes again (which is not out of the question given current Russian leadership). The west has simply not given enough materiel to Ukraine for that to be possible with the manpower now available. The manpower and hardware reserved for it will probably just be used to hold the lines and maybe do minor local defensive counteroffensives to overextensions by Russia.

Al-Saqr posted:

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1636276075545128960?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Weka posted:

100,000 deaths is what, like half a million casualties? gently caress this sucks.

palindrome posted:

Without referencing an actual study,I believe the officially published USA death:wounded in action ratio in Iraq/Afghanistan was about 1:8. So with US medicine and medics in the middle east you'd have 1 dead soldier for 8 wounded. half a million casualties sounds like a fairly reasonable estimate if indeed 100k have been killed. war is hell

Al-Saqr posted:

hmmm a pretty severe warning coming out of russia, maybe theyll hit the Ukranian MoD and presidential palace?

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1636276075545128960?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg