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how many countries has Australia invaded in the last 40 years, and how many has China?
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swimsuit posted:how many countries has Australia invaded in the last 40 years, and how many has China? China has mucked around on its edges for decades (Bhutan, Nepal, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, etc) and Australia has done as it's told by the US when the US has wanted moral support for its own mucking around outside the Americas. Australia also has also fiddled with Indonesia and E. Timor.
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swimsuit posted:how many countries has Australia invaded in the last 40 years, and how many has China? China is definitely expansionist and is aggressively pushing economic power through belt and road, trade policies, and the actions of the Chinese diaspora. But we're not going to see some Red Dawn scenario that the hawks pushed in the SMH article. Even an invasion of Taiwan is unlikely. Apart from the trade/economics/influence front, our most serious engagement with China is likely to be some kind of naval stand-off where we/US do a freedom of navigation exercise through disputed waters. So they're not a cuddly panda, but they're not landing paratroopers in Darwin next week either.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:China has mucked around on its edges for decades (Bhutan, Nepal, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, etc) and Australia has done as it's told by the US when the US has wanted moral support for its own mucking around outside the Americas.Australia also has also fiddled with Indonesia and E. Timor. I’ll tell ya, this is a bit of a creative interpretation of what happened in East Timor.
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swimsuit posted:how many countries has Australia invaded in the last 40 years, and how many has China? Australia has invaded every country the USA has since WW2, plus more Will this be your "are we the baddies?" moment? Probably not hey
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Ranter posted:Australia has invaded every country the USA has since WW2, plus more You're repeating his exact post as a gotcha? Is this the future under China? Redundant posting?
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Ranter posted:Australia has invaded every country the USA has since WW2, plus more Surely not Grenada
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Personally, I think we should lick the boots of both America and China. Why must we choose only one?
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Personally, I think we should lick the boots of both America and China. Why must we choose only one? 
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Pleasant Friend posted:Paul Keating was Australia's Tony Blair and stanning for him because he makes some lovely anti-american remarks is this thread showing its full rear end. It's definitely a case of "Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point". I'm no Keating fan, but on this he's right. We can have a defensive posture that isn't funnelling money into US weapons manufacturers. How are those F-35s going? Edit: It's also really funny that whenever someone describes the evils of China you can word replace it and it remains basically accurate for America. Imperial powers gonna act like imperial powers in imperial power shock! hooman fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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can someone give me a breakdown of chinas imperialism im new to geopolitics
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Australia needs its own independent nuclear deterrent.
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swimsuit posted:can someone give me a breakdown of chinas imperialism im new to geopolitics Chinese capital is used to set up neo colonial projects in poor countries to steal their resources to create more Chinese capital which is then used to invade Tibet to free the slaves n peasants #freetibet
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The government spent 1.3 billion on tomahawk steaks
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Brisbane is the only Australian city to be recognised in Time’s annual “worlds greatest places” list. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/time-magazine-brisbane-greatest-destinations-in-the-world/102109538
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Australia needs its own independent nuclear deterrent. Yep, let Lucas Heights go into meltdown. Some radioactive Sharks fans should be enough to make a potential invader think twice.
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Recoome posted:Brisbane is the only Australian city to be recognised in Time’s annual “worlds greatest places” list. That's nothing. This now dead Seattle based news website once declared Newcastle a "Hipster Mecca", which I can only assume is a roundabout way of saying extremely white. https://seattleglobalist.com/2012/04/13/five-global-hipster-cities-cooler-than-seattle/2296
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hooman posted:I'm no Keating fan, but on this he's right. We can have a defensive posture that isn't funnelling money into US weapons manufacturers. How are those F-35s going? Apparently the F-35s are going good now and we have like 60 of them lol. Our F-35 stock is almost as big as the Indonesian air force's entire combat aircraft complement for the John Marsden fans out there. JBP fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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^^ I've seen other reports, such as the below: https://blogs.griffith.edu.au/asiainsights/australia-spent-billions-on-jet-fighters-off-the-plan-now-were-having-trouble-even-flying-them/ In other news, weaselly oval office Jim Chalmers has graced us with this turd. Guardian Australian posted:“Australia has a productivity problem,” Chalmers will tell the event, according to advance remarks circulated by his office. Really... will it Jim? If we had only lifted "productivity" (he's conflating multifactor productivity with labour productivity, because labour productivity keeps going up) all our wages would be higher, huh? Ooh and if we don't we'll have to work more or earn less? gently caress, I guess those are the only two loving possible options if workers aren't outputting as much as you demand during a global loving pandemic.  Wait a second, I guess this graph showing labor productivity and wages being disconnected since the 90s (and probably earlier too I just can't find info on it) will just evaporate into nothingness if we did more productivity this time. So this time when productivity goes up wages will go up! We should just entirely disregard the destruction of unions and right to strike and all the evidence we see, because this time will be different, you pinky promise. gently caress you, you disingenous oval office. Go spend another billion on missiles. EDIT: Graph source: https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/real-wages-have-not-kept-up-with-productivity/ hooman fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Personally, I think we should lick the boots of both America and China. Why must we choose only one? That would be dangerously like sensible foreign policy. Then again, pretty sure the last PM who tried that was Rudd and we know how that worked out.
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Recoome posted:I’ll tell ya, this is a bit of a creative interpretation of what happened in East Timor. hooman posted:I'm no Keating fan, but on this he's right. We can have a defensive posture that isn't funnelling money into US weapons manufacturers. How are those F-35s going? What defensive posture would you suggest? Keating isn't taking into account expansionist policies pursued by China and this will alienate Australia if we follow his advice. Yeah, Australia has had lovely foreign policy(especially E.Timor) in the past but that doesn't mean much larger countries can't be worse than us.
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'Military procurement' has been pretty nakedly protection money to the US for a long time.
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2004 was the first federal election I voted in, and it was such a disappointment to see Howard reelected. In hindsight, I can't believe how much of a bullet we dodged.
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My first federal election was 2007; so I didn’t pay much attention to politics at that time (and everyone else in my extended family is a lifelong crusted on liberal voter, it wasn’t till I left school and became exposed to the real world that my views shifted pretty leftwards). Was Latham always this hosed? If so how did he become labor leader? Or did he get some kind of brain worm infestation later on? All I really remember about the 2004 election was my highschool headmaster telling everyone in assembly about how essential it was that we convince our parents to vote liberal or else the school would suffer horribly.
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Recoome posted:I’ll tell ya, this is a bit of a creative interpretation of what happened in East Timor. How else would you describe spying on them to win out negotiations for an unequal carve-up of resources located between the two nations?
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From what I remember Latham was well known as a maniac even by the time he ran as Labor leader, and I suspect he basically only ended up in that position because nobody else wanted the job, or at least could even pretend they were trying to win. That said I'm pretty sure the brainworms got worse and worse over time, possibly from untreated mental illness and then the inevitable spiral into American right wing indoctrination.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:From what I remember Latham was well known as a maniac even by the time he ran as Labor leader, The Chaser called him "Labor Policy Thug"
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Budzilla posted:I would say it is too "light" Is there any amount of military procurement that will result in Australia winning a war with China? I guess this is fundamentally a philosophical question rather than a policy one. Either we throw billions at weapons at the beck and call of the US to aid their posturing against China, or we say "lol" and keep good trade and relations with China and act as an economic partner (note partner) in South East Asia. We are entering an economically bipolar world, from an economically unipolar one. Possibly even tripolar depending on what the eurozone does. So doing only US lead military procurement seems a far worse defence strategy than, if we take the military defence view of "we buy poo poo so we don't get invaded, not because it will actually stop anyone who really wants to try", spreading out our bribes between the US, EU and China. hooman fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Electric Wrigglies posted:How else would you describe spying on them to win out negotiations for an unequal carve-up of resources located between the two nations? i was more thinking about Indonesia's occupation of East Timor
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Also [SERIOUS] question here, how does the government expect anyone with a HECS debt to pay off the loan with the 2023 indexation looking like 7.19%? The increase for me will be about 7k this year which means I'm effectively dead in the water as that is slightly more than I contribute in a year.
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Recoome posted:Also [SERIOUS] question here, how does the government expect anyone with a HECS debt to pay off the loan with the 2023 indexation looking like 7.19%? The increase for me will be about 7k this year which means I'm effectively dead in the water as that is slightly more than I contribute in a year. Have you considered getting an overpaid job as a business consultant?
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If they don't announce any changes to indexation in the budget i might just pay off the rest of my hecs debt before June 30 to get ahead of it.
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hooman posted:Is there any amount of military procurement that will result in Australia winning a war with China? What does winning a war even look like now? The biggest overwhelming military force on the planet didn't "win" in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq '91 (although liberating Kuwait was a victory of sorts), Vietnam, Korea. The last decisive victory was what, WWII? I don't think you could call skirmishes in Somalia, Balkans, Grenada etc "wars" as such. Russia sure as poo poo isn't winning Ukraine.
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Recoome posted:i was more thinking about Indonesia's occupation of East Timor Ah, you referred to East Timor in your post so I thought you meant when East Timor was a nation post 1999. But yes, Australia fiddled with Indonesia and had opinions about what Indonesia should look like up to and including sending troops into borders previously recognized by Australia to separate out East Timor again. My old man earned his war service loan from Konfrontasi (learnt how to speak Bahasa Indo even) and my sister served in E. Timor during the Dili Dash for Cash (including getting traumatized by the civilian torture victims she treated as a medic) - I am well aware that a much greater amount of hyperbole could be utilized. The point was not why Australia fiddled, just that we did.
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