syntaxfunction posted:Having known people who were outed and beaten while being mocked for being "an aids having human being" (I will laugh my rear end off if I get probed for that) it becomes pretty hosed up seeing people using it casually for a loving game or movie. "Oh wow that movie is so aids" cool go hate crime it I guess. You're not getting probed for that and if you do I'll ask for it to be reversed
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Devils Affricate posted:Could not disagree more with this. Allowing a word in certain threads while blanket banning it in all others isn't taking context into consideration, it's a shortcut designed to avoid context. Now if someone uses the word in a bigoted way in one of the whitelisted threads it's liable to go unpunished, while if someone uses it in an obviously benign way anywhere else they get probed for it. I'd argue it's worse than choosing either extreme of just allowing it everywhere or nowhere. If you can't be hosed to actually read the posts that get reported and try to make an informed decision, then just drop the ban completely or set it to autoban. Devils Affricate posted:Also why isn't "twat" banned? Why isn't "bitch" banned? What's different about these words? I'm honestly not trying to be an internet debate lord. As far as I can tell those words get used just as much if not more to disparage women, and people absolutely should catch probes/bans for using them that way. But for some reason context is taken into account with these but not the other one. We do read reports for context - I clarified that earlier. If you're arguing for a more complete ban, and a ban of more words, then fine. You can do that if you want to. Other than feeling the current rules are fairly manageable I haven't really spent time thinking if we should police language even more.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:You're not getting probed for that and if you do I'll ask for it to be reversed Agreed and same.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:We do read reports for context - I clarified that earlier. If you're arguing for a more complete ban, and a ban of more words, then fine. You can do that if you want to. Other than feeling the current rules are fairly manageable I haven't really spent time thinking if we should police language even more. I said the posts and the context surrounding them, not the reports. And lmao no I was not advocating for more word filters, jesus dude.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:04
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I like GBS the way it is.
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syntaxfunction posted:reddit poster nice bypassing the r word word filter
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syntaxfunction posted:I mean people that have experienced loss from cancer probably don't like it! That's probably the majority of people here. Idgaf, personally.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:09
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Devils Affricate posted:I said the posts and the context surrounding them, not the reports. And lmao no I was not advocating for more word filters, jesus dude. Sorry, was your argument that mods should have to read every post in every thread? I mean, about the slurs I honestly don't completely disagree with you, but there are logistical constraints on what can be done in practice.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:15
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I think another big problem is that we can't post threads on the unofficial SA app. Not an SA problem, but I'm sure that cuts down on potential threads.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:23
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Sorry, was your argument that mods should have to read every post in every thread? I mean, about the slurs I honestly don't completely disagree with you, but there are logistical constraints on what can be done in practice. My argument is that if you don't have enough time to read the original post and enough posts related to it to get the proper context of a potential offense, you shouldn't be hitting the ban button. The focus should be on what was actually being said in the post rather than the presence of certain words. The system you've fallen back on for getting around your logistical constraints is worse than simply doing nothing.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:26
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Charles Bukowski posted:I think another big problem is that we can't post threads on the unofficial SA app. Not an SA problem, but I'm sure that cuts down on potential threads.
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Mar 18, 2023 02:27
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get rid of day mode as an option eternal nightmode also bring bag xplodingplastix.wav for when u look at the gas chamber/leper's colony
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Seth Pecksniff posted:There ain't a brigade of posters trampling down the doors to be mod my friend I'm ready to be mod
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Smugworth posted:I'm ready to be mod 
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Devils Affricate posted:My argument is that if you don't have enough time to read the original post and enough posts related to it to get the proper context of a potential offense, you shouldn't be hitting the ban button. The focus should be on what was actually being said in the post rather than the presence of certain words. The system you've fallen back on for getting around your logistical constraints is worse than simply doing nothing. Unless the post itself is obviously needs a probation/ban, we do go into the thread and read back to figure out context. Every report has a link that takes us directly to the reported post.
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If it works, don't fix it. It (GBS) works.
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Devils Affricate posted:My argument is that if you don't have enough time to read the original post and enough posts related to it to get the proper context of a potential offense, you shouldn't be hitting the ban button. The focus should be on what was actually being said in the post rather than the presence of certain words. The system you've fallen back on for getting around your logistical constraints is worse than simply doing nothing. Yeah, like IC said that pretty much is standard practice. I feel like we might be talking past each other to some extent. I'm not trying to present the current system as perfect, but have been trying to explain why it is the way it is. If we can improve it that would be great. But getting too far into hypotheticals isn't really going that direction. Like more mods and IKs so more threads have real-time eyes on them would be great, but that is way easier said than done.
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Infidel Castro posted:Unless the post itself is obviously needs a probation/ban, we do go into the thread and read back to figure out context. Sorry, weren't we just talking about how typing oval office gets you a probe regardless of context?
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Devils Affricate posted:Sorry, weren't we just talking about how typing oval office gets you a probe regardless of context? As a rule of thumb, in non-Commonwealth threads, yes. There have been exceptions made for context, so it's not like a completely automated thing.
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It's still kind of weird that there's tiers of slurs? Some seem auto-flagged, others are actioned if anyone reports them, others are just ignored. Does it not strike you as weird?
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CaptainSarcastic posted:As a rule of thumb, in non-Commonwealth threads, yes. There have been exceptions made for context, so it's not like a completely automated thing. Well that's odd, because from what I've seen, at least in recent years, goons very rarely use "oval office" as a pejorative aimed at women, so getting probed for it should be the exception if what you're saying is true. You guys keep going back and forth on this. Honestly, if it's so offensive to the mod team and creates such a headache, we'd be better off just setting it to give an auto-6er and remove the human element completely. Update the GBS rules to say "don't say oval office, you'll get probated". Boom, done.
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syntaxfunction posted:It's still kind of weird that there's tiers of slurs? Some seem auto-flagged, others are actioned if anyone reports them, others are just ignored. Does it not strike you as weird? AFAIK nothing is automatically flagged anymore. I'm not sure if that's happened since the Lowtax days. And I won't disagree about the slur tier list thing. That's largely something that has been around for a long time, although it has evolved over the years. If people want to discuss that then I think it's perfectly fine - again I am not arguing for the current state of affairs so much as trying to explain it. (Insert joke about "explaining = endorsing" here.)
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Devils Affricate posted:Well that's odd, because from what I've seen, at least in recent years, goons very rarely use "oval office" as a pejorative aimed at women, so getting probed for it should be the exception if what you're saying is true. You guys keep going back and forth on this. Eh, it does happen, usually regarding terrible right-wing women. The word honestly doesn't come up that regularly, and it doesn't come up with anything like the frequency you would think considering how mad people get about it. Having an auto wordfilter could be funny, but it would probably end up in more or less the same situation as now as people game the wordfilter in various ways.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:What? When you get a report, do you not look at the context of the post anyways before slamming buttons? lol you already know the answer to this
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Devils Affricate posted:Honestly, if it's so offensive to the mod team and creates such a headache, we'd be better off just setting it to give an auto-6er and remove the human element completely. Update the GBS rules to say "don't say oval office, you'll get probated". Boom, done. Yeah, I don't actually think it's a big deal to just say "hey, don't use it". Every time I've brought it up it's to point out that this term is deemed highly egregious, amongst some others, but other things that are also pretty offensive to some people are fine. And then the response is usually "you just want to say it". It's just a really weird way to determine what is and is not a probate or ban worthy word or slur. I can't even remember if "cuck" is probe worthy, but if enough people or loud enough people say it should be do you now make it probe worthy? What I want to know is what is the actual basis on determining what is bad enough to establish a precedent of probe for? Is it an open forum? Closed mod discussion? Do you just see it too much and go "gently caress that I'm not dealing with it?" (Which is honestly fair imo)? Again, make a blanket rule for it and call it good. Sure make the Australia and UK threads safe spaces, whatever, I don't care. But it just raises questions on how these procedures are actually decided.
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syntaxfunction posted:It's still kind of weird that there's tiers of slurs? Not really? Some words are felt as more offensive than other words to different people, and depending on who's setting policy or the community at large (in general terms here, not trying to point out anyone or even SA specifically), a word might not be a big deal in a space, while the same word is a big no in other spaces. This is just a language thing, not specific to SA.
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Charles Bukowski posted:I think another big problem is that we can't post threads on the unofficial SA app. Not an SA problem, but I'm sure that cuts down on potential threads. You can on iPhone. I have no idea why it doesn’t work on android as I haven’t looked at the Awful app thread in ages but they still haven’t been able to get it to work.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:lol you already know the answer to this Weird that you guys constantly pull 10 year old posts without context then when it suits whoever’s made the list for harassment that day.
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Don't start, either of you
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Not like LAP
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There should just be one great big slur megathread where we can all just go and post em all even the really bad ones, get em all outta our system ya know
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Nooner posted:There should just be one great big slur megathread where we can all just go and post em all even the really bad ones, get em all outta our system ya know It's called FYAD
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Nooner posted:There should just be one great big slur megathread where we can all just go and post em all even the really bad ones, get em all outta our system ya know the genuine hate speech megatjread
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In all seriousness, the serious sub forms can no longer be maintained. I posted a pretty sincere post your daily carry thread in the stupid fashion forum, and it has like five posts. A thread about backpacks in the supposed fashion forum has five posts. That means the site has too many sub categories. They should all be rolled into GBS. This would create a new “ marketplace of ideas. “ Guys who post in the hope people died on Everest thread can get into mountain biking. Guys who post in the Trump will be finished any day now thread can get into glass blowing. The epic funny lite forums can stay so the five guys with usernames like “a bugs fun uncle” who didn’t move to NYC during the Twitter boom can continue to have their epic funny forums but the rest needs to be rolled into GBS to save the forums.
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nom epique posted:In all seriousness, the serious sub forms can no longer be maintained. I posted a pretty sincere post your daily carry thread in the stupid fashion forum, and it has like five posts. A thread about backpacks in the supposed fashion forum has five posts. That means the site has too many sub categories. They should all be rolled into GBS. What about E/N
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Why was this serious and good idea toxic waste dumped in SAD while a thread about giving the admins pay and a hundreds threads about the “sagas” thread” allowed to stay?
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Devils Affricate posted:What about E/N All EN threads should be in GBS so the forums would actually move at a decent clip
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Seth seriously unlock my thread in SAD what the heck is this?
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