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Hundlaser posted:I got you bro Thank you! This is a p good looking jumping off point from the looks of it
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Alchenar posted:I'm also intensely sceptical that that's what it claims to be, although the war is reaching a point where both sides are innovating hard into new TTPs. It could be anything from 'disorientate the enemy so they don't know where the attack is coming in from' to 'keep moving back and forth so you don't eat a ATGM/drone strike'. It reminds me of older trench fighting doctrine. When attacked, counterattack with light units, then retreat. This forces enemies to redeploy to counter you. From there, decide if you're going to assault the position. Coquito Ergo Sum fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1637636697880948736?t=5_K37qs46gE5SPAlcPgjSQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1637636699927789569?t=tnkHeKqB_XB7vcqzDuLQSA&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1637636701794316289?t=yV-HsOK0rm_bWYTmjRmmiA&s=19
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Could that be a kind of shaping operation? Light-ish counter attacks across a fairly broad area to keep the Russians focused on that area and hopefully to draw more and more reinforcements there and thin the lines elsewhere?
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Fearless posted:Could that be a kind of shaping operation? Light-ish counter attacks across a fairly broad area to keep the Russians focused on that area and hopefully to draw more and more reinforcements there and thin the lines elsewhere? Every mobik dying in a muddy hole in Bakhmut is one less mobik elsewhere that could hold up a punch through the lines. Its possible that Ukraine could definitely go for an armored thrust in/near Bakhmut, but I don't know if I'd go for trying to force a breakthrough in the area where a large percentage of Russian units are operating. Though, apparently, the mobiks on the front lines seem to not have a whole lot of ATGMs, surprisingly.
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I doubt they gear them properly in fear of them turning the weapons around due to how they are treated.
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ded posted:I doubt they gear them properly in fear of them turning the weapons around due to how they are treated. You can murder your officers more easily with a pistol or a rifle than you can with an anti-tank missile, so I wouldn't necessarily attribute the lack to this. My guess would be either there's an actual shortage, or else just no time/trainers to teach the mobiks how to actually use the things.
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orange juche posted:Every mobik dying in a muddy hole in Bakhmut is one less mobik elsewhere that could hold up a punch through the lines. Its possible that Ukraine could definitely go for an armored thrust in/near Bakhmut, but I don't know if I'd go for trying to force a breakthrough in the area where a large percentage of Russian units are operating. Though, apparently, the mobiks on the front lines seem to not have a whole lot of ATGMs, surprisingly. There seems to have been a not insignificant amount of drone footage within the past week or two of Ukrainian tanks rolling up to Russian trenches and blasting them at almost point blank range. I know nothing about tanks, but wouldn't that be pretty risky if the opposition had even basic bitch RPG-7s?
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Nuclear Tourist posted:There seems to have been a not insignificant amount of drone footage within the past week or two of Ukrainian tanks rolling up to Russian trenches and blasting them at almost point blank range. I know nothing about tanks, but wouldn't that be pretty risky if the opposition had even basic bitch RPG-7s? Yeah it would be, and no they don't. The interesting question about a counteroffensive near Bakhmut is, the Russians have to have a lot of support infrastructure right behind the lines, so do you try for a penetration that will let you gank those elements, or do you go in elsewhere that isn't as well supported? The Ukrainian high command can read a map better than I can, but I have to say there are some really interesting areas on the Russian lines if you look with an eye to putting a couple of mechanized brigades through them.
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As insane as some of the control maps of bakhmut look, it's still nowhere near as wild as wild as some of the control maps that were coming out during the battle for aleppo in 2014/2015/2016, eg It ended up taking nearly 4 years to finally close the encirclement and cut off supply lines. Which then led to a counter offensive that reopened supply lines on the other side (albeit briefly and ultimately unsuccessfully).  I tend to agree with people estimating that Bakhmut is likely to be not an advantageous situation to fight out of (insofar as I have any clue what's going on from thousands of miles away), but as long as Ukraine is committed to holding it who knows how long it could take to finally cut it off. Ukraine appears to feel that they either have or are close to having eliminated much of Russia's offensive potential and seems to be acting accordingly. If they feel that they can simply not give up the ground because Russia is not actually able to take it then they're probably going to do that. Aleppo is a heavily different situation so I don't mean to overly suggest a comparison, but if the offensive power is genuinely drained, then the lines can stay relatively static for a very long time even if they otherwise look beyond precarious. On a related note citeam has been reporting that Russia is starting a new mobilization wave in the last few days. eg https://notes.citeam.org/mobi-mar-17-18 Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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Bare in mind the RPG 7 is a drat near ancient design, advanced little beyond a Panzerfaust/RPG 2, in operation, design, and munitions. There have been little to no advancement in HEAT rockets for it. You can hope for a mobility kill, or to blind it, but it will make nearly any tank or modern (like the upgraded 113) angry rather than dead. It's rockets have not been effective against actual tanks for like 40 years now. But it's cheap, easy, and available in insane numbers- the launchers can even be craft made.
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bulletsponge13 posted:There have been little to no advancement in HEAT rockets for it. Are you sure about that? PG-7VR is nasty still I thought. Abrams guys were worried about RPG-29s in Iraq IIRC and its a comparable warhead.
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Has there been any discussion in Finland about changing the gauge of their rail system to match the rest of NATO now that their accession is imminent?
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Finland announced their participation in the EU's Rail Baltica project back in 2019 already. Changing their domestic gauge probably isn't within the scope of that project, but it does mean Helsinki gets directly connected to the rest of the european railway network and that's a good start to work from at a later point.
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With the small caveat that their only land links are through Russia and through a rarely used goods line to Sweden way up north.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:On a related note citeam has been reporting that Russia is starting a new mobilization wave in the last few days. eg
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Dandywalken posted:Are you sure about that? PG-7VR is nasty still I thought. Abrams guys were worried about RPG-29s in Iraq IIRC and its a comparable warhead. RPG29 is a totally different weapon, and it was a Golden BB type shot if I recall that killed the Abrams and scared the gently caress out of everyone. Even with the upgraded munitions, it has little chance against most modern armored fighting vehicles beyond mission kills, like throwing a track, breaking optics, jamming the turret, etc. With the upgraded armor packages, a 7 model rocket of any type I know of (not an expert, am probably wrong) has little chance of destroying the vehicle or crew. Not to say that getting rockets lobbed at you is a hood time, even when you know they won't kill you. Tangentially related- Everytime I see a video of someone putting an 82mm mortar warhead on a RPG booster, I feel a little gratitude that my enemies hadn't learned that trick yet. Fun Fact- a HEAT RPG round sucks at anti-people work, and if I were honest about my experiences on the wrong end, people would think I'm full of poo poo.
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Slashrat posted:Finland announced their participation in the EU's Rail Baltica project back in 2019 already. Changing their domestic gauge probably isn't within the scope of that project, but it does mean Helsinki gets directly connected to the rest of the european railway network and that's a good start to work from at a later point. Presumably they could build new standard gauge HSR corridors overlaying / replacing their Russian gauge trackage which would then be reserved for low-speed / freight use, like Spain has done to their broad gauge rail network since the 70s. It looks like this is what the Rail Baltica project is doing in LT/LV/EE. The problem is what exactly it would connect to besides a ferry. No matter how high speed a high speed railway might be, I don't think anybody wants to do Stockholm-Helsinki via Oulu.
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Not gonna lie a northern train route from Finland to Sweden sounds like it'd be a pleasure just to see the scenery even if it isn't super practicable for actual travel.
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ChaseSP posted:Not gonna lie a northern train route from Finland to Sweden sounds like it'd be a pleasure just to see the scenery even if it isn't super practicable for actual travel. Hope u like bogs.
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McGavin posted:Hope u like bogs.
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Where's my bog appreciators at
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A.o.D. posted:Has there been any discussion in Finland about changing the gauge of their rail system to match the rest of NATO now that their accession is imminent? Iirc it was alread a TEN-T thing that new lines should be standard gauge and some grumblings from Frinland over it. That may change now. Also, I dimly remembered some TEN-T rumblings last year. Best I could find quickly: https://transport.ec.europa.eu/news...t-2022-07-27_en quote:The different rail track gauges used in Ukraine compared to most of the EU are also addressed in the proposal. The difference is a huge obstacle to interoperability. The proposal includes measures to migrate railway lines, when economically justified, to the European standard track gauge. This also applies to non-standard track gauges within the EU; the difficulties at the Ukraine border have highlighted how this lack of interoperability makes the railway network inside EU territory vulnerable.
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A Northern Norway railroad has been the pipe dream of the entire region since WW2 (when foreign interest in it dried up), so a Tromsø-Rovaniemi-line with military applications would be of interest to both Norway, Sweden and Finland. What with the Northeast passage soon being ice free all year round, there might be a commercial case for it as well.
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meatbag posted:What with the Northeast passage soon being ice free all year round, there might be a commercial case for it as well. Without the snow how will we get our nordic Snowpiercer? I imagine the grade changes required would eliminate HSR, but some good traditional freight and passenger lines would be a huge value add.
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bulletsponge13 posted:RPG29 is a totally different weapon, and it was a Golden BB type shot if I recall that killed the Abrams and scared the gently caress out of everyone. You can be honest here, you have established some pretty good cred
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Hey I thought you might find this article interesting as well! Considering the situation at Bakhmut just keeps getting more and more precarious, I thought I'd translate a few articles that focus on that area. In this article a Yle journalist visits a trench system that defends the road to Slovjansk, and interviews soldiers stationed there. I recommend you check the link for video and photos of the conditions these soldiers live in, while defending their nation from the Russian invasion. Author: Antti Kuronen Release date: 20.03.23 Link to untranslated article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20023063 quote:Yle in Bakhmut: Most of the weapons of the city's defenders are from the Soviet era, there is mud everywhere
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knox_harrington posted:The armoured landcruiser looks awesome I wonder how much of the original truck is left under the armour? Especially with the pixel camo it looks so scifi.
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Computer viking posted:With the small caveat that their only land links are through Russia and through a rarely used goods line to Sweden way up north. I kid you not but there has been actual talks on doing another "eurotunnel", this time between Helsinki and Tallinn. But that obviously kinda expects that the rail connection from Estonia to Central Europe works well enough to warrant this.
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ChaseSP posted:Where's my bog appreciators at bog water makes you hig
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meatbag posted:What with the Northeast passage soon being ice free all year round, there might be a commercial case for it as well. ANY DAY NOW!
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Der Kyhe posted:I kid you not but there has been actual talks on doing another "eurotunnel", this time between Helsinki and Tallinn. But that obviously kinda expects that the rail connection from Estonia to Central Europe works well enough to warrant this. I guess that's more reasonable than a bridge system via Åland, which was my first thought.
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Der Kyhe posted:I kid you not but there has been actual talks on doing another "eurotunnel", this time between Helsinki and Tallinn. But that obviously kinda expects that the rail connection from Estonia to Central Europe works well enough to warrant this. "Talks" i.e. a mini-Elon who made his money with angry birds said he's totally gonna do it, just believe me guys, ignore that Helsinki officials told him to gently caress off with all his plans. Oh and you should definitely go and buy some of those tickets he's been selling for a few years now, I'm sure that's a good way to save money.
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Loezi posted:"Talks" i.e. a mini-Elon who made his money with angry birds said he's totally gonna do it, just believe me guys, ignore that Helsinki officials told him to gently caress off with all his plans. Oh and you should definitely go and buy some of those tickets he's been selling for a few years now, I'm sure that's a good way to save money. Well, its talks and looking for investors regardless. And much more realistic, and when functional useful and robust than series of bridges and "top of the seabed" tunnels from Turku archipelago to Åland and Sweden. Most probably Åland government would block it anyway, because they absolutely do not want a road from Marienhamn to continent. So it has to go from Turku to Sweden directly.
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I design railways for a living, so this is very much in my wheelhouse.A.o.D. posted:Has there been any discussion in Finland about changing the gauge of their rail system to match the rest of NATO now that their accession is imminent? Some idea guy types got really excited, but otherwise no. Regauging would have been feasible before concrete sleepers (ties in American), but those days are long gone. You'd need to build a whole parallel rail system like the Spanish or Japanese HSR systems and that isn't going to happen any time soon. Slashrat posted:Finland announced their participation in the EU's Rail Baltica project back in 2019 already. Changing their domestic gauge probably isn't within the scope of that project, but it does mean Helsinki gets directly connected to the rest of the european railway network and that's a good start to work from at a later point. The tunnel project is staying on the drawing board for decades to come, no matter what the Angry Birds hype man says. A few gantry cranes at the break of gauge in Haparanda would be the most cost-effective investment in western rail connectivity.
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ChaseSP posted:Where's my bog appreciators at Conspicuously absent in the Russian Army.
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Fearless posted:Conspicuously absent in the Russian Army. Na slavny bog, na smiertny bog
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