BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

I personally don’t use the word and I understand that it’s used differently elsewhere in the world, but if it’s causing this much stress where every time feedback is requested that’s all anyone can talk about then just loving ban it in GBS because clearly everyone’s opinion on what constitutes proper use and intent is going to differ. If you’re that butthurt about not being able to use a single word then I don’t know what to tell you about how to navigate life in general. If it is that important to you to be able to say it just go to FYAD or IZ and go hog wild.

syntaxfunction posted:

I don't see any reason to use it, at all, and I'm Australian. What I don't like is the addendum of "but you can go to another subforum to use it". That shouldn't be a thing!

Sid Vicious posted:

Ahhh man I’m a professional artist now check it out!!! If you click the picture it’ll take you to my own website!!!

BigBadSteve posted:

Make Sid the official GBS artist!!!!!

Actually Spinz makes quite amazing art, a lot of it made just for GBS, and has had some extremely popular threads here based on it, over the last few years. Well, she made threads until she kept getting frequently banned, for nothing more IMO than writing about her own life, including some funny anecdotes relating to her past sex life.

A small number of considered suggestions:

1. Get some guidelines in place so the above sort of mod/op/idiot king/whatever harassment of female posters ceases. Spinz was not 'tugging' in her posts, and believe me, as a chronic tugger I can tell the difference. As has been pointed out by multiple male goons over the last few months, it seemed to be purely sexist, i.e. male goons can mention funny memories from their sex lives, women goons can't, or they get harshly punished, probated so often, and escalatingly so, that they basically give up on posting in GBS at all (this is where Spinz has been for about the last ~2-3 months).
   
2. If anyone posts here whose name is unknown in GBS, one can assume they probably aren't a GBS poster. And there's a good chance they're an alt of an account from the troll forum we don't talk about and I won't name here because we "don't want to start anything". They destroyed QCS too, to the extent that almost every new thread there has to be almost immediately locked, that has been the case for months. So complaining aout them there achieves nothing but further harassment. And, not coincidentally IMO, they hate Spinz and have done for years. Anyway, IMO people who don't post in GBS (ignoring occasional snarky abuse, trolling and "haha our forum is better than yours"-type posts) should haveno say in policy changes. None whatever. Some of them are our enemies and want nothing good for GBS, as even a small study of their posts elsewhere soon shows (pf course being lying amoral trolls their b*tchy alts here will claim otherwise til they're blue in the face). FFS don't let those with primarily ill-will for GBS be influential in any changes to it. And no, putting our ehads in the sand doesn't solve the problem, it's asking for it.
   
3. Other than the above, and the odd rare other change no doubt posted by others here, ffs leave GBS alone. About all who post here regularly (with the caveats above), love GBS. It is a miraculous treasure, it's amazing it can exist at all. IMO it is fragile. Some have tried to end it completely, with some success occasionally, witness e.g. the so-called 'archived' old GBS' subforum. Let's celebrate what we have and make it a bit better, not f*ck with it til it breaks or all the good posters leave.
   

No correspondence will be entered into etc. as I have a life.

I love you all (well, most of you, and thoughts & prayers for the others).

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

a pile of iks from across gbs can be selected by lot every 3 months or something

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

a whole bunch of iks is a good low risk way to take the pressure off mods who say reading a lot of posts is a lot of work (a somewhat justifiable excuse, gbs is very active compared to other non politics subs) and can make context reading and warning more viable instead of button press word filter style moderation

Seth Pecksniff posted:

Want to pop in and say I see the comments, I just want to be in a space where I have time to give thoughtful responses rather than giving you just whatever poo poo leaks from my brain at that exact moment

BigBadSteve posted:

Make Sid the official GBS artist!!!!!

*edited for length*

I love you all (well, most of you, and thoughts & prayers for the others).

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

Yeah I kinda don’t see how we discuss any major issues within GBS without talking about the forums at large, especially considering that most of the recent drama bombs were caused by non-GBS posters making a stink about GBS because they travel around looking for things to complain about.

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD posted:

Gbs is a fun place to post jokes with your friends

Sometimes a random dumb rear end in a top hat shits up the place for a while until they get banned but the process takes like a year.

bagmonkey posted:

Wait did Methanar get banned

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

I don't think so. He's in the process of banning himself irl from a different city every year though.

Bad Purchase posted:

mods should be forced to say one nice thing about any poster they probe

MrQwerty posted:

Twice a year lmao

BigBadSteve posted:

Make Sid the official GBS artist!!!!!

Actually Spinz makes quite amazing art, a lot of it made just for GBS, and has had some extremely popular threads here based on it, over the last few years. Well, she made threads until she kept getting frequently banned, for nothing more IMO than writing about her own life, including some funny anecdotes relating to her past sex life.

A small number of considered suggestions:

1. Get some guidelines in place so the above sort of mod/op/idiot king/whatever harassment of female posters ceases. Spinz was not 'tugging' in her posts, and believe me, as a chronic tugger I can tell the difference. As has been pointed out by multiple male goons over the last few months, it seemed to be purely sexist, i.e. male goons can mention funny memories from their sex lives, women goons can't, or they get harshly punished, probated so often, and escalatingly so, that they basically give up on posting in GBS at all (this is where Spinz has been for about the last ~2-3 months).
   
2. If anyone posts here whose name is unknown in GBS, one can assume they probably aren't a GBS poster. And there's a good chance they're an alt of an account from the troll forum we don't talk about and I won't name here because we "don't want to start anything". They destroyed QCS too, to the extent that almost every new thread there has to be almost immediately locked, that has been the case for months. So complaining about them there achieves nothing but further harassment. And, not coincidentally IMO, they hate Spinz and have done for years. Anyway, IMO people who don't post in GBS (ignoring occasional snarky abuse, trolling and "hahaha our forum is better than yours"-type posts) should have no say in policy changes. None whatever. Some of them are our literal enemies and want nothing good for GBS, as even a small study of their posts elsewhere soon shows (of course being lying amoral trolls their b*tchy alts here will claim otherwise til they're blue in the face). FFS don't let those with primarily ill-will for GBS be influential in any changes to it. And no, putting our heads in the sand doesn't solve the problem, that would be asking for it.
   
3. Other than the above, and the odd rare other change no doubt posted by others here, ffs leave GBS alone. About all who post here regularly (with the caveats above), love GBS. It is a miraculous treasure, it's amazing it can exist at all. IMO it is fragile. Some have tried to end it completely, with some success occasionally, witness e.g. the so-called 'archived' old GBS' subforum. Let's celebrate what we have and make it a bit better, not f*ck with it til it breaks or all the good posters leave.
   

No correspondence will be entered into etc. as I have a life.

I love you all (well, most of you, and thoughts & prayers for the others).

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

I personally don’t use the word and I understand that it’s used differently elsewhere in the world, but if it’s causing this much stress where every time feedback is requested that’s all anyone can talk about then just loving ban it in GBS because clearly everyone’s opinion on what constitutes proper use and intent is going to differ. If you’re that butthurt about not being able to use a single word then I don’t know what to tell you about how to navigate life in general. If it is that important to you to be able to say it just go to FYAD or IZ and go hog wild.

syntaxfunction posted:

Literally just agreeing on what slurs are inappropriate, site-wide, is something that should not be outside the realm of possibility. Extrapolating to "we need the same rules absolutely everywhere always" is not what I meant, nor is it a sensible thing to do?

"Getting all the forums to agree on what slurs or horrific types of posts are inappropriate" is not realistic I guess? If calling someone a "oval office" or "retard" is something that is probate-worthy then cool, that's fine, but it's loving weird that it's okay some places. Also only some of them some places, because people just want that.

Do you see how weird it is to have rules like "Don't use the word 'oval office' unless in two specific threads" or "don't call someone a 'retard', unless you're posting in FYAD" or "'human being' is bannable, unless you're posting in Ask/Tell" or whatever the gently caress?

I'm not asking AI or GWS to have identical rules to GBS, but goddamn this is like bare minimum and it sounds like "woah, we can't agree on what slurs or posts are universally bad" is pretty... bad?

syntaxfunction posted:

Okay well, then in GBS we should be able to use any slur or hateful remark or sentiment that gets a pass anywhere else on the site. This is the general forum so it should be a general melting pot of ideas (maybe even a marketplace of free ideas) so we shouldn't disallow anything that makes people from other places feel weird.

Honestly, my question is what exactly did y'all hope to achieve from this thread? Everything that has been brought up has been kind of ignored or just sort of dismissed. You're asking for feedback, but like, on what? The only things mentioned in the OP were "discussions of the c-word" (so please don't act surprised folks brought that up) and megathreads (which is a thing that usually gets discussed internally in megathreads about times to reboot it etc).

What about GBS specifically? It's a small slice of a larger forum. GBS is just a general posting place and basically the only thing you could do that is special is turn up or down the reatio on the "serious/shitpost" dial. That and entertaining grudges against specific posters.

GBS is just a subforum. Every time there's been big issues with subforum moderation people straight up make threads to call out mods and then there's probations, arguments and (usually) resolution.

So, what were you, the mods, hoping to hear about here?

quote:

Okay well, then in GBS we should be able to use any slur or hateful remark or sentiment that gets a pass anywhere else on the site. This is the general forum so it should be a general melting pot of ideas (maybe even a marketplace of free ideas) so we shouldn't disallow anything that makes people from other places feel weird.

BigBadSteve posted:

Make Sid the official GBS artist!!!!!

Actually Spinz makes quite amazing art, a lot of it made just for GBS, and has had some extremely popular threads here based on it, over the last few years. Well, she made threads until she kept getting frequently banned, for nothing more IMO than writing about her own life, including some funny anecdotes relating to her past sex life.

A small number of considered suggestions:

No correspondence will be entered into etc. as I have a life.

I love you all (well, most of you, and thoughts & prayers for the others).

quote:

[*]Get some guidelines in place so the above sort of mod/op/idiot king/whatever harassment of female posters ceases. Spinz was not 'tugging' in her posts, and believe me, as a chronic tugger I can tell the difference. As has been pointed out by multiple male goons over the last few months, it seemed to be purely sexist, i.e. male goons can mention funny memories from their sex lives, women goons can't, or they get harshly punished, probated so often, and escalatingly so, that they basically give up on posting in GBS at all (this is where Spinz has been for about the last ~2-3 months).

quote:

[*]If anyone posts here whose name is unknown in GBS, one can assume they probably aren't a GBS poster. And there's a good chance they're an alt of an account from the troll forum we don't talk about and I won't name here because we "don't want to start anything". They destroyed QCS too, to the extent that almost every new thread there has to be almost immediately locked, that has been the case for months. So complaining about them there achieves nothing but further harassment. And, not coincidentally IMO, they hate Spinz and have done for years. Anyway, IMO people who don't post in GBS (ignoring occasional snarky abuse, trolling and "hahaha our forum is better than yours"-type posts) should have no say in policy changes. None whatever. Some of them are our literal enemies and want nothing good for GBS, as even a small study of their posts elsewhere soon shows (of course being lying amoral trolls their b*tchy alts here will claim otherwise til they're blue in the face). FFS don't let those with primarily ill-will for GBS be influential in any changes to it. And no, putting our heads in the sand doesn't solve the problem, that would be asking for it.

quote:

[*]Other than the above, and the odd rare other change no doubt posted by others here, ffs leave GBS alone. About all who post here regularly (with the caveats above), love GBS. It is a miraculous treasure, it's amazing it can exist at all. IMO it is fragile. Some have tried to end it completely, with some success occasionally, witness e.g. the so-called 'archived' old GBS' subforum. Let's celebrate what we have and make it a bit better, not f*ck with it til it breaks or all the good posters leave.

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

Yeah I kinda don’t see how we discuss any major issues within GBS without talking about the forums at large, especially considering that most of the recent drama bombs were caused by non-GBS posters making a stink about GBS because they travel around looking for things to complain about.

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

a whole bunch of iks is a good low risk way to take the pressure off mods who say reading a lot of posts is a lot of work (a somewhat justifiable excuse, gbs is very active compared to other non politics subs) and can make context reading and warning more viable instead of button press word filter style moderation

hot cocoa on the couch posted:

i think it's a forums wide initiative to have always open feedback threads in major subs. it's a good idea imo to have ongoing community feedback. it's not just about oval office and mega threads lol.

suggestion: more iks, rotated regularly, maybe selected by lot like in fyad or whatever. mods should be rotated regularly as well but i understand that the logistics of selecting mods for gbs isn't as simple as many smaller subs. still, maybe 1 year max or something would reduce burnout and keep the mods representative of the community

a pile of iks from across gbs can be selected by lot every 3 months or something

syntaxfunction posted:

I also want to say that I know I might seem like I'm hating on the mod team and being harsh but I actually really like GBS, and I appreciate the work y'all do. It's difficult to moderate a bunch of poo poo-flinging spider monkeys, and you do good work.

If you want something tangible that isn't related to what I have said, please lock down and probe wildly any time there's a thread with any remotely controversial topic where suddenly a hundred people no one has seen post start posting their "ironic hot takes" which are just some sort of -ism under the guise of "heh shitposting".

Shitposting is an art. Posting racist or homophobic or whatever poo poo but going "but I'm not serious" ain't it. Look at the Harry Potter game thread for a good example tbh.

Saalkin posted:

What you don't post like that all the time?

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD posted:

Gbs is a fun place to post jokes with your friends

Sometimes a random dumb rear end in a top hat shits up the place for a while until they get banned but the process takes like a year.

Bad Purchase posted:

mods should be forced to say one nice thing about any poster they probe

Seth Pecksniff posted:

ok so I'm finally at my computer. I mostly didn't want to type this all on my phone. That would have been a nightmare tbh.

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Also, by popular demand, we will be introducing Smugworth as GBS' newest moderator. We're still trying to decide what thread would be appropriate to make Nooner an IK of.
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Smugworth posted:

BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:

Thanks Seth. I, for one genuinely appreciate the effort post and explanations. I’m still leery of SAD because it seems like it pretty rapidly became just like QCS where it is actively hostile to anyone who isn’t one of the “regulars” and dares to question their opinions, regardless of how that question is put forth. I am hoping that with time and the new admins SAD settles down into something that works for more of the site than the overly squeaky wheels. In any case, I think this thread is a good start and a much needed troll-free space to vent.

Devils Affricate posted:

I would just like to reiterate my suggestion that anyone who has 25%+ of their total posts in SAD/QCS should be autobanned. Someone else argued it should be only 10% and that's probably a better idea, but I'm trying to be magnanimous. Meta forums for discussing rules/policing shouldn't have "regulars". That's exactly the kind of person we'd all be better off without.

Sid Vicious posted:

anyone wanna come over and smoke some weed and paint with me?

bagmonkey posted:

Feedback: Pin Methanar threads for us to get giggles out of, especially the ones where he moves to really expensive cities w/o thinking about it, those are great

Smugworth posted: