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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486252/analysis-hipkins-needs-nash-for-swing-voters-at-election another genius article from the rnz pod cast guy
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left and right are not used in a useful way in most political discourse. I'd even say they're deliberately obfuscated. but the terms do have well defined ideologies, with social and economic elements often able to be maneuvered through separately by particular parties or individuals. this is as true in nz as anywhere. you're right not to want to fall into dem/rep style discourse when talking about nz, but i think that's a different thing
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Mar 18, 2023 11:24
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Mar 18, 2023 22:04
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That can't be real, can it?
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Mar 18, 2023 22:26
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I choose to believe. but sadly it is not.
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Mar 18, 2023 22:32
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It's not real, you can tell because he was always a wanker
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Mar 19, 2023 00:47
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Greens are implying that they will support whomever has the stronger policy on climate change. Looking forward to Luxon's statement followed by a retraction in the next day or so.
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Mar 19, 2023 01:11
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that's not what they said at all though
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James Shaw posted:"To any political party that wants the Green Party's support to form a government after the election, let us put it as simply as we can: The Green Party will not accept anything less than the strongest possible climate action. The stakes are too high, the consequences of failure too great." You are right that this is addressed to Labour given they just broke their cooperation deal. Luxon will still likely get asked if a coalition with the Greens is potentially viable due to the wording. He has terrible political instincts and has repeatedly needed to walk back statements to the media.
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Mar 19, 2023 03:11
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So what, labour/act coalition then?
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Maybe this is a silly question but why can't a coalition hate each other guts? What if we are put into a position where the only viable govt is Nat/Green for some reason. Is that even possible? Is that why there is a 5% votes threshold to stop that scenario?
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Didn't nzf and labour prove that it's eminently possible?
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Yeah this is something I argue about in the greens semi-regularly - obviously the membership would not support a Nat govt right now, but it would be a bad idea to change the party rules or whatever so that we can't ever do that in the future. We can take advantage of the membership having the final say on this kind of thing instead. Imagine a hypothetical post-2026-election landscape where Labour collapse to 10% from some huge scandal, the Greens are sitting on 25%, National's internal disagreements blow up and the party fractures into a centrist rump National on 30% and an explicitly christofascist action zealandia party / new conservatives block on 25% - it'd absolutely make sense to work with them then. Seems wild but on the other hand MMP in Europe does end up with chaotic scenarios sometimes - and I feel like NZ's generally gone through an unnaturally stable period as far as the political party landscape goes. Are there any new parties popping up for 2023 yet?
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henry cooke wrote a good piece on this https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1635737509161213957
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klen dool posted:Maybe this is a silly question but why can't a coalition hate each other guts? What if we are put into a position where the only viable govt is Nat/Green for some reason. Is that even possible? Is that why there is a 5% votes threshold to stop that scenario? it is very possible to have a coalition that hates each other but our government is structured around being stable, ensuring you can deliver votes for your policies; something that is somewhat more difficult when the votes you're relying on want to see you suffer. a government that couldn't rely on its majority would quickly see the opposition calling for a no confidence vote.
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Yeah I guess I'm making up a just-so story here, in reality no coalition would be formed and I presume we'd have another election
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  doonesbury should be banned lol
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i think thats the first time i've seen doonesbury mentioned since, idk, 2003?
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gee i wonder what frasier is up to these days!!!
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Progressive JPEG posted:gee i wonder what frasier is up to these days!!! He recently won a best actor Oscar for his performance in The Whale
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klen dool posted:Yeah I guess I'm making up a just-so story here, in reality no coalition would be formed and I presume we'd have another election Several of the coalitions that NZF has been part of over the years are examples of coalitions who hate each other. Helen Clark hated Winston ever since he picked Bolger over her in 1996, yet they were in coalition 9 years later. Winston and the Greens hate each other's guts, but worked together in 2017.
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the greens haven't been in coalition 
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hence:bike tory posted:worked together
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exmarx posted:the greens haven't been in coalition a distinction that only matters to political brains
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/lobbying/486312/lobbying-firms-earning-hundreds-of-thousands-from-contracts-with-government-agencies ban this sick filth i want a return of off the cuff hip shooting lip service, not this finely curated sock puppetry. if i wanted to see someone get fisted i'd go see someone get fisted
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Really can't see the Māori party going into "partnership" with national. That's a pretty reasonable take isn't it?
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Fool me once, shame on me, fool me... can't get fooled again.
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Te Paati Māori of 2023 is very different to the Māori Party of 2008, and I'd be very surprised if they did go into coalition with National.
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please don't do that again
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I read that someone had identified her and it's more of less what you think. She was at the parliament protest too
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Wafflecopper posted:please don't do that again
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Fun fact: I did gymnastics as a kid in that hall. Confusedslight fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 21, 2023 |
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And now there are a lot of adults doing mental gymnastics in that hall. Really makes you think.
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Auckland Council has okayed that TERF speaker's event this Saturday at Albert Park, so counter protest is on for any/all Auckland goons who can make it. 11am at the band rotunda.
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Thanks Wayne
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bike tory posted:Auckland Council has okayed that TERF speaker's event this Saturday at Albert Park, so counter protest is on for any/all Auckland goons who can make it. 11am at the band rotunda. Love having to spend part of my weekend defending my right to exist.
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I thought they were looking at denying her entry to the country anyway? And since she effectively threatened the PM I can't think they'd look too favorably on her...
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I thought they were looking at denying her entry to the country anyway? And since she effectively threatened the PM I can't think they'd look too favorably on her... Rainbow Greens have been trying to get her nzeta revoked for two and a half weeks with literally nothing happening about it until this week after her event in Melbourne got outright nazis turning up. So if they are going to revoke it they are taking their sweet loving time with it. Plus it sounds like even if she can't enter the country terfs and other alt right types plan on turning up anyway now.
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