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Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Some require e-mail correspondence, some have deletion mechanisms on the site proper, and others are broken relics acquired or expired. Being in Canada I also had a fourth category of “service is geo-blocked and I’m not installing a VPN just to terminate that”.

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Late to the VPN discussion but poo poo really changes when you stop doing "put all the VPN clients in one subnet and open fw rules to it" and start creating traffic rules based on the client's presently-authenticated user account

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Shumagorath posted:

Some require e-mail correspondence, some have deletion mechanisms on the site proper, and others are broken relics acquired or expired. Being in Canada I also had a fourth category of “service is geo-blocked and I’m not installing a VPN just to terminate that”.
There's a California law that requires you to be able to cancel subscriptions online. I mention this because sometimes setting your account address to California (no IP work required) magically makes deletion options appear. (Doesn't work for the Canadian geoblock, sorry.)

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003
Anyone know what the gently caress is going on with Firefox's message about websites requesting 'extended information' about authenticators when registering them? It warns you that it can 'anonymize' the information, but that the relying party may reject it. And... that's it. No actual information about what information is requested.

Tracing through the source code of firefox it seems to be talking about requests for direct attestation. Which, according to yubico https://developers.yubico.com/WebAuthn/Concepts/Securing_WebAuthn_with_Attestation.html is not really a major privacy concern unless you literally don't want them to know what model authenticator you're using. It shouldn't, afaik, contain any uniquely (as in per-individual-physical-authenticator) information. Spending a couple hours searching for more information on this I'm more convinced than ever what the entire 2FA world is still a complete loving poo poo show. Outside of an enterprise this poo poo is borderline unusable. The web browsers are the worst offenders. They give you absolutely zero loving information on what is happening, what is being requested, etc... Is this just a second factor? U2F or Webauthn? Is this a password-less account the site is trying to setup? Is it the kind where you have an unlimited number, or a limited number of certs actually on the authenticator? Who the gently caress knows?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

adnam posted:

Dumb question - but I came across this post from somewhere in business, finance etc given Lastpass's incredible idiocy these last few years. I've migrated over to 1password but I saw digital cruft mentioned here. How can I go about closing accounts that I no longer use, or is it just a whack-a-mole of emailing websites to close my account, or stop using accounts at service x, y, z and pray they eventually rot away?

Someone else asked this and my answer was to just delete the account name and password from your 1password and forget they exist, with the exception of old email:

Klyith posted:

In terms of security I don't think it matters. Nobody's gonna use your planetquake account from 2002 to gain access to anything else. The thing that might be dangerous is old email accounts, and it's probably better to keep the keys to those rather than delete them.


General junk websites, maybe there's a privacy / data collection benefit to deleting the accounts? Especially if they're big enough to care about EU GDPR and so actually delete the data. But it also sounds like a lot of effort. Personally I would just forget about them.

In ten years when the AI uses my planetquake account from 2002 as the final piece of the perfect model of my brain to sell me a new TV, I guess I'll buy a lot of TVs.

Certainly if a website doesn't have a "delete my account" feature anywhere I doubt emailing the webmaster and asking them to delete will do much. Facebook might send you into a digital maze and hide the account delete button behind some sort of puzzle where you have to figure out which dark pattern tells the truth and which one always lies -- but at least they have a delete button.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Oh yeah don’t forget ticket websites that often flag carrier NAT as “bot that hasn’t paid us” and prevents you from even logging in. This includes Ticketmaster, where calling the sales office will get you further than engineering.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

This should be a fun one to deal with :haw:

https://twitter.com/ItsSimonTime/status/1636857478263750656

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Ugh how how how, cropping can also be undone?

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

Thanks Ants posted:

Ugh how how how, cropping can also be undone?

I believe it just overwrites the head of the file and leaves junk in the tail, was sort of the impression I got. Though that would imply the files don't actually get smaller, which you'd think somebody would have noticed.

Also it seems to be specific to 'Markup' for screenshots, so probably doesn't affect pictures cropped with google photos? Is the impression I got.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
So who has a Samsung phone?
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/critical-vulnerabilities-allow-some-android-phones-to-be-hacked/

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Thankfully mine is a Snapdragon. This seems to be the list of Exynos phones, that's the affected platform.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Fortunately Samsung's history of commitment to product support will ensure that no vulnerable devices are left out there

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

Thanks Ants posted:

Fortunately Samsung's history of commitment to product support will ensure that no vulnerable devices are left out there

I mean google is no better. They updated the Pixel 7, and owners of the whole year-old Pixel 6 were told to sit tight.

I'm kidding of course they've said nothing at all, there's no actual ETA for Pixel 6 owners for this 10/10 critical remote superuser-privileged code execution bug.

Raymond T. Racing
Jun 11, 2019

Rescue Toaster posted:

Anyone know what the gently caress is going on with Firefox's message about websites requesting 'extended information' about authenticators when registering them? It warns you that it can 'anonymize' the information, but that the relying party may reject it. And... that's it. No actual information about what information is requested.

Tracing through the source code of firefox it seems to be talking about requests for direct attestation. Which, according to yubico https://developers.yubico.com/WebAuthn/Concepts/Securing_WebAuthn_with_Attestation.html is not really a major privacy concern unless you literally don't want them to know what model authenticator you're using. It shouldn't, afaik, contain any uniquely (as in per-individual-physical-authenticator) information. Spending a couple hours searching for more information on this I'm more convinced than ever what the entire 2FA world is still a complete loving poo poo show. Outside of an enterprise this poo poo is borderline unusable. The web browsers are the worst offenders. They give you absolutely zero loving information on what is happening, what is being requested, etc... Is this just a second factor? U2F or Webauthn? Is this a password-less account the site is trying to setup? Is it the kind where you have an unlimited number, or a limited number of certs actually on the authenticator? Who the gently caress knows?

The short version is that with a lovely FIDO device, it's possible to uniquely identify you. The website can identify which batch you're in. If the manufacturer did something sketchy and did one batch per hardware key, it would be possible to track you.

Don't stress too much about it.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Rescue Toaster posted:

I believe it just overwrites the head of the file and leaves junk in the tail, was sort of the impression I got. Though that would imply the files don't actually get smaller, which you'd think somebody would have noticed.

Also it seems to be specific to 'Markup' for screenshots, so probably doesn't affect pictures cropped with google photos? Is the impression I got.
I definitely have a photo on my drive that’s edited like this; for several versions of Windows it would show more in the thumbnail than was displayed in whatever image viewer. I could probably hex edit back to the original.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Shumagorath posted:

I definitely have a photo on my drive that’s edited like this; for several versions of Windows it would show more in the thumbnail than was displayed in whatever image viewer. I could probably hex edit back to the original.

It's more likely that this is a jpeg image with an embedded thumbnail, and whatever tool cropped the original image didn't update the thumbnail. So you could recover a low-resolution version of the original, but not the original picture itself.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Jabor posted:

It's more likely that this is a jpeg image with an embedded thumbnail, and whatever tool cropped the original image didn't update the thumbnail. So you could recover a low-resolution version of the original, but not the original picture itself.
Hmm yeah probably that. That would also explain why Windows updated the thumbnail at some point.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



Vindicated in never upgrading my old Note.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Rescue Toaster posted:

I mean google is no better. They updated the Pixel 7, and owners of the whole year-old Pixel 6 were told to sit tight.
Pixel 7 isn't even half a year old lmao

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

starting renewal process for sec+, holy lol I forgot how much of a pain these questions where.

I got stuck on XSRF/XSS/SXSS questions, because I'm not really a web guy and I forgot which specifically was which.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I thought you could just submit CE stuff instead of doing the renewal test

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

The Fool posted:

I thought you could just submit CE stuff instead of doing the renewal test

I got forced into doing the cert master thing, because I slept on my renewal stuff and I have like two weeks to do the other options.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
$50 more to do the 4hr renewal test (that your company should be paying for) over “doing” 50 hours of CE.

I’d do the test every single time. Even out of pocket.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




lol. lmao.

https://twitter.com/David3141593/status/1638222624084951040

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
yeah computers were a cool experiment just toss em and lets go back to mail and paper tickets please

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Teaching sand to do maths was a mistake.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

I wonder if imgur understands what kind of data they are sitting on right now.

Saturnine Aberrance
Sep 6, 2010

Creator.

Please make me flesh.


Apparently you have to follow a particular workflow with the win11 tool that shouldn't be very common, and allegedly win 10s "win+shift+s" is safe. At least.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Sickening posted:

I wonder if imgur understands what kind of data they are sitting on right now.

This vuln is only on Win 11 so I'm guessing that's a fraction of a percent of all the screen grabs from Windows that are hosted there.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Maybe those Butlerians had the right idea.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


imgur recompresses everything before serving it up, so nothing they serve should be affected. Who knows if they keep the original files, but I kind of doubt it.

This is probably the tip of the iceberg, I'm gonna guess a lot of image markup and editing tools will be shown to not fully sanitize their output.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Rescue Toaster posted:

Anyone know what the gently caress is going on with Firefox's message about websites requesting 'extended information' about authenticators when registering them? It warns you that it can 'anonymize' the information, but that the relying party may reject it. And... that's it. No actual information about what information is requested.

Tracing through the source code of firefox it seems to be talking about requests for direct attestation. Which, according to yubico https://developers.yubico.com/WebAuthn/Concepts/Securing_WebAuthn_with_Attestation.html is not really a major privacy concern unless you literally don't want them to know what model authenticator you're using. It shouldn't, afaik, contain any uniquely (as in per-individual-physical-authenticator) information. Spending a couple hours searching for more information on this I'm more convinced than ever what the entire 2FA world is still a complete loving poo poo show. Outside of an enterprise this poo poo is borderline unusable. The web browsers are the worst offenders. They give you absolutely zero loving information on what is happening, what is being requested, etc... Is this just a second factor? U2F or Webauthn? Is this a password-less account the site is trying to setup? Is it the kind where you have an unlimited number, or a limited number of certs actually on the authenticator? Who the gently caress knows?

If it's just direct attestation then yeah as Buff Hardback said there shouldn't be much to worry about; the spec allows you to identify the make and model of the authenticator but nothing more (specifically because of privacy concerns). If it's enterprise attestation though then that's a different matter, that part of the spec does allow identifying authenticators by their serial number (or similar). Barely anything supports EA yet though, and Yubikeys that support it are not sold to consumers.

Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

TheFluff posted:

If it's just direct attestation then yeah as Buff Hardback said there shouldn't be much to worry about; the spec allows you to identify the make and model of the authenticator but nothing more (specifically because of privacy concerns). If it's enterprise attestation though then that's a different matter, that part of the spec does allow identifying authenticators by their serial number (or similar). Barely anything supports EA yet though, and Yubikeys that support it are not sold to consumers.

Interestingly, based on the Firefox source I'm pretty sure it does not differentiate between indirect, direct, or enterprise attestation in terms of the prompting. So unfortunately you have no way of knowing, as Firefox doesn't even tell you the attestation type let alone give you the option to see the attestation metadata. Yet another way the UX around 2FA is still dog poo poo.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

bull3964 posted:

imgur recompresses everything before serving it up, so nothing they serve should be affected.

I’m told that Discord doesn’t!

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Subjunctive posted:

I’m told that Discord doesn’t!

Discord fixed this problem in Jan 2022 iirc, so anything uploaded before that is a problem but not nowadays anymore I believe.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

CLAM DOWN posted:

Discord fixed this problem in Jan 2022 iirc, so anything uploaded before that is a problem but not nowadays anymore I believe.

They didn’t just go and re-encode everything they already had? Tsk tsk.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Subjunctive posted:

They didn’t just go and re-encode everything they already had? Tsk tsk.

Not that I was able to read/find! Who knows though!

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
As of last night and seeing which screen grabs on discord could be expanded, I can see it does not appear to have been retroactively applied at this time. Maybe that's changing, but it doesn't seem to be right now.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Rescue Toaster posted:

I believe it just overwrites the head of the file and leaves junk in the tail, was sort of the impression I got. Though that would imply the files don't actually get smaller, which you'd think somebody would have noticed.

Also it seems to be specific to 'Markup' for screenshots, so probably doesn't affect pictures cropped with google photos? Is the impression I got.

I forgot the article, but I read one that went into the details. Basically, the cropping tool would save the new image to the same file as the old image using the native file APIs. When this was originally implemented, the native file APIs correctly resized the file when this happened. At some point after that, the native file APIs were changed to the new behavior of just overwriting the head of the file and not resizing by default (why?). This retroactively caused the issue and nobody noticed until now.

The "good" news is that the bug only happens with the file cropping tool, not the photo cropping tool. Because the default photo cropping tool in Android saves a new copy of the image instead of overwriting the old one. So unless you specifically open your photos outside of Google Photos for editing, it won't happen with camera photos. It is mostly an issue with cropped screenshots.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Mar 22, 2023

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cr0y
Mar 24, 2005



Is it a terrible idea to expose a self hosted bitwarden instance to the internet? Currently mine is only available over my VPN but I am kicking around the idea of extending it to my family in a desperate effort to get them to have better password management and security in general as opposed to using the same drat password for everything.

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