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Woah woah woah! Not entirely fair. They also use chickenwire to strap stacks of eggboxes to the turret to protect against tandem charge warheads.
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Mar 22, 2023 12:59
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I have literally seen newer tanks in a museum in Poland.
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Mar 22, 2023 12:59
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NTRabbit posted:That's pretty much it, and in all honesty the 16 Upgraded Perry and MEKO 200 frigates, 8 Corvettes, and 34 smaller surface combatants of the Turkish Navy are more than sufficient to manhandle whatever the Russians decide to send. Bit of a dipshit this Putin character, eh?
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Mar 22, 2023 13:18
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Notably, T-72 armored vehicles are prone to influence by western corruption and globohomo propaganda, and have therefore been known to defect to the other side in large numbers once they come out in combat.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:26
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The safest job in this war appears to be an Armata driver
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Mar 22, 2023 13:27
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Tell me you're desperate without telling me how you're desperate.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:29
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I can only imagine the T-54/55 units being dragged out of storage will be used for the shittiest indirect fire purposes, i.e. warcrime artillery on civillian infrastructure. If they're actually going to be used as frontline combat units then they're all nothing more than novelty coffins for four mobiks at a time, and to be honest I can see a few of them being used exactly for this purpose for no reason other than an attempt to drain Ukraine's NLAW/Javelin stocks.Tuna-Fish posted:IIRC they still had some T-55:s nominally in service in 2000. Maybe some of their ammo is not totally decayed yet?
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Mar 22, 2023 13:30
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have any of these antiques actually showed up at the front or are they just being used as artillery until their barrels give out or whatever?
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Mar 22, 2023 13:33
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I think they will be used as mobile manual release close proximity mines, to further hinder own advance efforts.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:41
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PinheadSlim posted:This kinda explains why Russia poo poo their pants at the UK sending over depleted uranium tank munitions. *Ukrainian soldier explodes T55 with Carl Gustav* tankie: "and yet you participate in 1940s antitank technology  "https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1638500119925456901?s=20 plz, arms for the poor
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Mar 22, 2023 13:42
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poverty goat posted:have any of these antiques actually showed up at the front or are they just being used as artillery until their barrels give out or whatever?
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Mar 22, 2023 13:44
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Dwesa posted:So far there are only reports of them being taken out of storage right but the last crop of antiques we were laughing about, did they ever see use as tanks? there was speculation they were just using them as artillery
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Mar 22, 2023 13:46
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Barudak posted:The safest job in this war appears to be an Armata driver I dunno man, we've seen those videos of their engines struggling to idle. I'd give them fairly high odds of just randomly exploding in flames, at which point the superior fire suppression system will eject your rear end to low orbit along with the turret and ammo.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:47
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Dravs posted:I have literally seen newer tanks in a museum in Poland. I didn't think my World of Tanks based familiarity with old Soviet tanks would ever be relevant, but here we are. And now I wonder if they'll actually field an IS-2 again. (Not that WoT is especially accurate, but it's a springboard to reading about the tanks they include.) Computer viking fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Mar 22, 2023 13:47
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Alan Smithee posted:plz, arms for the poor 
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Mar 22, 2023 13:47
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Pinata driver lmao
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Mar 22, 2023 13:48
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Alan Smithee posted:plz, arms for the poor If I received a letter asking for money to buy guns, with skulls in the letter head, I would start to think it was a shake down. Good thing this is Russia and completely normal so no worries.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:50
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Let the pinata be thoroughly beat by western bundles of sticks. Ok ok ok maybe that's enough gay tank jokes out of me lol
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Mar 22, 2023 13:54
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65036208 Big Z did a surprise visit to Bakhmut
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Mar 22, 2023 14:12
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Tai posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65036208 Wow. Putin really is such a pussy-rear end bitch.
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Mar 22, 2023 14:15
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South Africa aware of legal obligations regarding Putin visit "We are cognizant of our legal obligations." https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/south-africa-aware-legal-obligations-regarding-putin-visit-2023-03-19/
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Mar 22, 2023 14:16
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poverty goat posted:right but the last crop of antiques we were laughing about, did they ever see use as tanks? there was speculation they were just using them as artillery Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1638500119925456901?s=20
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Mar 22, 2023 14:29
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Is aiding and abetting a known criminal.... a crime???
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Mar 22, 2023 14:41
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ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:I can only imagine the T-54/55 units being dragged out of storage will be used for the shittiest indirect fire purposes, i.e. warcrime artillery on civillian infrastructure. If they're actually going to be used as frontline combat units then they're all nothing more than novelty coffins for four mobiks at a time, and to be honest I can see a few of them being used exactly for this purpose for no reason other than an attempt to drain Ukraine's NLAW/Javelin stocks. The new strategy(lol) is fielding tanks so lovely that nobody wants to expend the effort to capture or destroy them in 2023 with man-portable weapons that are probably more expensive than the tank
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Mar 22, 2023 14:52
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EorayMel posted:The new strategy(lol) is fielding tanks so lovely that nobody wants to expend the effort to capture or destroy them in 2023 with man-portable weapons that are probably more expensive than the tank holy poo poo, “so cheap it isn’t worth a javelin or an NLAW” is making me laugh hard, but not hard enough to do a full Putin and aggressively poo poo my pants.
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Mar 22, 2023 14:57
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Dwesa posted:I wonder whether donating to warcriming organization counts as participation in crime.
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Mar 22, 2023 14:57
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Aren't some of the new IFV's cannons/munitions capable of penetrating the older tanks hulls, if not the turrets? I know they aren't widely used by Ukranians quite yet, but they are certainly out there.
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Mar 22, 2023 14:58
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I mean, that kind of approach is understandable when it comes to using cheap, disposable drones to soak up Ukraine's precious, expensive and limited air defense missiles. That makes a degree of sense - it costs more to shoot down it down than it does to manufacture it. And none of your pilot's lives are put at risk - who cares if a drone is downed. But even if these tanks are lovely 50+ year old ones from the Soviet reserve yards, they still requires multi-man crews... Even if you are evil and callous enough to not care about the moral value of those people's lives, they still require some training and investment of time and resources. And the vehicle itself needs at least basic upgrades to optics and comm systems, etc, which are in short-supply and can't be wasted. And anti-tank missiles are a lot cheaper and more common than expensive, high-end SAMs. Doesn't seem a sensible strategy. But then that could be said for so many of the things Russia has done in this war so far.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:02
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BlancoNino posted:Aren't some of the new IFV's cannons/munitions capable of penetrating the older tanks hulls, if not the turrets? I know they aren't widely used by Ukranians quite yet, but they are certainly out there. Yeah. The CV-90s in particular that Ukraine is getting from Sweden have a pretty nasty 40mm AP round iirc.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:03
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Modernization in this case meaning some conscript spray painting a Z on them. Buddy it says HEAT resistant right on the can.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:08
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Dwesa posted:So far there are only reports of them being taken out of storage  the desperation increases with every passing day
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Mar 22, 2023 15:12
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I wonder how many reports of "T-54 confirmed destroyed by Ukrainians" are gonna hit twitter by April 1st
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Mar 22, 2023 15:14
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BlancoNino posted:Aren't some of the new IFV's cannons/munitions capable of penetrating the older tanks hulls, if not the turrets? I know they aren't widely used by Ukranians quite yet, but they are certainly out there. Their ancient T-62s and 55s are basically no match for the autocannons on the IFVs, yeah. Some enterprising infantrymen with regular or rifle grenades could knock them out on their own, to say nothing of drones doing it.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:14
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They will need sitting ducks for artillery I think too. In summary, a 75 year-old obsolete tank rushedi into service with poor optics, poor situational awareness and probably poor comms manned by a crew with barely any training and a command that doesn't give a poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:24
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EorayMel posted:The new strategy(lol) is fielding tanks so lovely that nobody wants to expend the effort to capture or destroy them in 2023 with man-portable weapons that are probably more expensive than the tank Don't worry, they can always bring up more T-90 killing Carl Gustavs
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Mar 22, 2023 15:34
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BlancoNino posted:Aren't some of the new IFV's cannons/munitions capable of penetrating the older tanks hulls, if not the turrets? I know they aren't widely used by Ukranians quite yet, but they are certainly out there. free hubcaps posted:Yeah. The CV-90s in particular that Ukraine is getting from Sweden have a pretty nasty 40mm AP round iirc. Anyone being crammed into these decrepit old Soviet tanks, regardless of which "modernisation" (lmao) package they receive, is hosed the moment they're within range of a Western IFV.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:38
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And thats even assuming that a working 115mm shell fired from an t55 can penetrate an active defence system on a modern ifv.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:41
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They will all drive over mines anyway.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:47
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Drone_Fragger posted:And thats even assuming that a working 115mm shell fired from an t55 can penetrate an active defence system on a modern ifv. Only if they can even close to engage, lol. Assuming they don't drive over a land mine first.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:48
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A crass ploy to deplete the Ukrainian armory of expensive ...mines? Who writes this poo poo???
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