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Kith posted:what parts of the world would you consider to be functional societies I don't think any state on the planet would be improved by the introduction of summary execution. Certainly the United States remains a functioning society, even if it isn't doing particularly well. I'd say the same for everywhere in Europe I have been and many parts of South America.
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IMO there's a place for executions, the US just goes about it entirely the wrong way (by design). Substantial fraud or corruption by the rich or those in power should warrant capital punishment. These crimes undermine democratic systems and hurt way more people than any street violence. What happened is generally going to be well documented and anyone charged will have the resources able to defend themselves fully so way less risk of people being railroaded. The people committing these sorts of crimes thoroughly premeditate them, and can often continue to cause harm even post conviction. Rick Scott for example - there is a clear paper trail that he is responsible for fraud of hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars, from public agencies. But even after this fraud came to light, he was allowed to continue to own/work for healthcare companies, and was elected to a governorship and senate seat where he undermined (and continues to undermine) public oversight and enforcement for the same sort of crimes he committed. He is, of course, staunchly pro death penalty - but in the conservative way, to intimidate poor people. We would have all been better off if he was executed.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Utah had a firing squad as an option until well into the 21st century, and has used it throughout my lifetime. There are dozens of ways to kill a person humanely. Most are ugly, and the rest aren't vicious enough for the bloodlust. The death penalty is a barbaric practice that should be completely and utterly removed from society. It's disgusting and serves no purpose other than for bloodlust.
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Donnie stuff: One of his lawyers is in court about the Pence testifying subpoena. The NY-DA didn't call the Grand Jury today, so next possible day on that indictment vote is Monday. Bragg's office did respond back to the House with a polite middle finger: https://twitter.com/HouseInSession/status/1638916745028341760?t=BsVyFrHddBEIj06f5-o9NA&s=19
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FlapYoJacks posted:The death penalty is a barbaric practice that should be completely and utterly removed from society. It's disgusting and serves no purpose other than for bloodlust. I disagree. There are people who are beyond rehabilitation- people who can't be fixed, and will continue to do their heinous actions upon release. I think it's more humane to execute them than it is to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives. E- I also killed people for money, so there is that.
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Grip it and rip it posted:A functional society doesn't need to summarily execute anyone to be better off at any point. That kind of poo poo is only a "good" move when some beleagured totalitarian group/invidivual needs to further consolidate power. The idea that it's in society's best interest is just false window dressing to sell it to the public. Nice to see you posting from the 24th century, when we've solved all these things and can work out these things in amicable manners. I do agree that so long as everybody is playing by the rules of society there is both a logical and moral reason for never executing anybody ever no matter how bad their crimes are. But here those are rule systems like "criminal justice" and "contract negotiation". Whereas you can occasionally run into things like "Genocide" and "Totalitarianism" in which case you get out the 1911 or the guillotine and once the needful is done you move on back to productive endeavors such as teaching or art or maybe even excel spreadsheets.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I disagree. There are people who are beyond rehabilitation- people who can't be fixed, and will continue to do their heinous actions upon release. I think it's more humane to execute them than it is to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives. I don’t think any human should decide who is beyond rehabilitation.
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Stultus Maximus posted:I don’t think any human should decide who is beyond rehabilitation. Less adorably: ChatGPT
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Mar 23, 2023 16:17
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Stultus Maximus posted:I don’t think any human should decide who is beyond rehabilitation. I have faith in people, because there are good people. I don't have faith in systems. Both systems and people require constant corrective input to avoid straying into awfulness and systems have a lot more inertia toward it than individuals.
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There's always a lot of death penalty debate about the costs associated, morality, "maybe they deserve it", deterrence, and etc. I just can't get past the fact that per the innocence project, there have been 375 people exonerated by DNA evidence to date and 21 of those people were on death row. That system's hosed.
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facialimpediment posted:There's always a lot of death penalty debate about the costs associated, morality, "maybe they deserve it", deterrence, and etc. We have multiple documented cases of innocent people being executed. Scalia (rot in piss) straight up said that that constitutionally speaking actual innocence isn't constitutional grounds to overturn a conviction achieved through due process.
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Soylent Pudding posted:Scalia (rot in piss) straight up said that that constitutionally speaking actual innocence isn't constitutional grounds to overturn a conviction achieved through due process. A statement which should cause violent reactions in reasonable people. Like, what the gently caress. "The process was followed so the truth doesn't matter!" But yeah. While I may personally think there is a narrow set of crimes for which the death penalty may be a reasonable sentence, as long as there is the potential for a single innocent person to be executed, I can't support it.
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Arrath posted:
This is where I'm at.
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Mar 23, 2023 17:07
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Looks like everyone has picked their side and made their claims on why the death penalty should/should not continue. Let’s move onto some other topic now. Nothing good will come from trying to convince others why your firmly held belief is the correct one.
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Mar 23, 2023 17:12
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It's time for important topics that have been getting ignored but are definitely still pressing, like evaluating which Muppets gently caress. Fozzy Bear definitely cleans up, I feel like that's just an obvious one, though
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Mar 23, 2023 17:17
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maffew buildings posted:It's time for important topics that have been getting ignored but are definitely still pressing, like evaluating which Muppets gently caress. Fozzy Bear definitely cleans up, I feel like that's just an obvious one, though Gonzo. There's literally a porn category named after him.
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Mar 23, 2023 17:19
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The existence of a Tiny Tim Frog firmly established the fact that Kermit Frog fucks.
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Mar 23, 2023 17:23
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Miss Piggy has herself a good ol time
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Mar 23, 2023 17:24
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Arrath posted:The existence of a Tiny Tim Frog firmly established the fact that Kermit Frog fucks. Some frogs can reproduce asexually. There's a good documentary on the subject. It's called Jurassic Park.
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It’s true
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maffew buildings posted:It's time for important topics that have been getting ignored but are definitely still pressing, like evaluating which Muppets gently caress. Fozzy Bear definitely cleans up, I feel like that's just an obvious one, though Animal fucks, and so does Crazy Harry. On a side note if you want a break from the news and enjoy Mupptery watch DefunctLand's documentary on Jim Henson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVoGf1JTVeI
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Hekk posted:Let’s move onto some other topic now. Have some tiktok dances (by the CEO, who is testifying and going down in flames) https://twitter.com/boblatta/status/1638927952778862596 https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1638926740193153025 Commented as well: "teenagers don't donate to campaigns." ByteDance should probably sell tiktok or that poo poo's probably getting congressionally banned in a bipartisan vote.
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Mar 23, 2023 17:26
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And you know Rizzo fucks god bless him (Gonzo does not)
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Real "the worst person you know made a good point" vibe. gently caress TikTok, but gently caress Rob Latta "The Jyneez COMMUNIST PARTY" poo poo. Edit: To clarify, this guy is in a forever safe district that includes almost exclusively corn and exurban chuds making angry videos about cancel culture from the driver seat of their $90,000 Yukons. I don't really want to hear his opinions on tech and the chinese communist party. stealie72 fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/23/new-starbucks-ceo-says-hell-work-a-shift-at-its-cafes-once-a-month.html New CEO of Starbucks says he'll pull a not-so-undercover boss and work a half shift as a barista once a month. It might be more impactful if he took a barista's pay for a month now and then, but maybe at least they'll publicise when he will work a shift so a flash mob can descend and order a big pile of 19-ingredient "secret menu" monstrosities at once?
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That’s crazy. Imagine if China started using social media data to do something to harm Americans, like arrest them for seeking abortions.
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Arrath posted:https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/23/new-starbucks-ceo-says-hell-work-a-shift-at-its-cafes-once-a-month.html so jaded my first thought is "now that i've worked 4 hours in their shoes i am qualified to say their current pay and benefits level is adequate and will not be improved and perhaps are even too generous"
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Tiny Timbs posted:And you know Rizzo fucks god bless him (Gonzo does not) Yes he does. He has a well documented relationship with Camilla, the chicken
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Zamujasa posted:so jaded my first thought is "now that i've worked 4 hours in their shoes i am qualified to say their current pay and benefits level is adequate and will not be improved and perhaps are even too generous" It would be far too much of a Hallmark Movie Moment for him to realize "wow this sucks poo poo and the customers are often rude assholes. All these line workers need a raise!" But it's not as if he'll take shifts on Black Friday or hell even during an average morning rush, so you're probably on the money.
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RFC2324 posted:Yes he does. If there is any muppet that has an explicitly carnal relationship, it is Gonzo.
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Does China have more access to TikTok data than the US does to Instagram or Twitter data? Why would anyone assume that a technology company hosted in a particular country doesn't have an open feed to the intelligence services there? And unlike China, the US uses this data to blow up people all over the world.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Does China have more access to TikTok data than the US does to Instagram or Twitter data? Why would anyone assume that a technology company hosted in a particular country doesn't have an open feed to the intelligence services there? But social credit scores!!!
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stealie72 posted:Edit: To clarify, this guy is in a forever safe district that includes almost exclusively corn and exurban chuds making angry videos about cancel culture from the driver seat of their $90,000 Yukons. I don't really want to hear his opinions on tech and the chinese communist party. Oh absolutely knew he was a chudfuck. Didn't know him before a pre-post googling, but all I needed was the "R-" in his name to know he was far out there. The general news media has only been focusing on the democratic angle and "Biden bans tiktok" when this kind of thing is absolutely going to be bipartisan if ByteDance doesn't sell. AreWeDrunkYet posted:Does China have more access to TikTok data than the US does to Instagram or Twitter data? Why would anyone assume that a technology company hosted in a particular country doesn't have an open feed to the intelligence services there? I may have news for you about what China uses the data to do. But anyways, it's more of the above from the right, and the below from the left: https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/1638946167299141635 Zuckfuck et al get away with it because they're American employees, employing Americans, with American campaign contributions. Tiktok has influencers. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Does China have more access to TikTok data than the US does to Instagram or Twitter data? Why would anyone assume that a technology company hosted in a particular country doesn't have an open feed to the intelligence services there? US tech companies can choose to tell the government to pound sand. Chinese companies cannot tell the Chinese government the same.
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Stultus Maximus posted:US tech companies can choose to tell the government to pound sand. Chinese companies cannot tell the Chinese government the same. lol yeah right
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CainFortea posted:Some frogs can reproduce asexually. They were not reproducing asexually. They were changing sex from female to male and then loving.
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the true issue is that chinese companies can tell the us government to pound sand
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McNally posted:They were not reproducing asexually. They were changing sex from female to male and then loving. life, uh, finds a way?
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facialimpediment posted:
What exactly are they doing with the data? They already have all my information since I was a government employee during a certain data breach. What exactly are they going to do with my data that isn't already being done with my data by US companies?
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fknlo posted:What exactly are they doing with the data? They already have all my information since I was a government employee during a certain data breach. What exactly are they going to do with my data that isn't already being done with my data by US companies? Sell it to US companies
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