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Man can u believe Dagoth Ur is saying that poo poo. Its so crayzeeeeee
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KirbyKhan posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQdqeI0pNBU I'm gonna add that to my watch for later, that's pretty cool
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I'm getting increasingly frustrated with Midjourney, Stable Diffusion and DALLE because it's just not very good art. Not only is the composition and knowledge of art styles poor, it cannot paint history paintings to save its life. Whereas,  This audio AI doesn't seem far off His Welsh is abysmal though
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Mar 23, 2023 14:09
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Maybe you're just not a very good AI artist op, my MJ poo poo slaps Take some time to really hone your craft, generate some feet and horses The text stuff is pretty great for role-playing, me and my partner had a fun group session then continued it with our own little 2 person session using a CharacterAi bot I made that had all our quest info shoved into it's brain. We'd just roll dice irl then put "X fires his cybergun but fails to hit" or "and he critically hits" in. I also ran a big irl session the other day and fed a small standalone campaign into chatgtp and got it to generate a bunch more npcs and stuff based on the ones I had given it. It's also good for making npc monologues and stuff for quest givers. You can be like "the quest is a grizzled game dad looking for his cyberdaughter, write the monologue as the dad gives the players the quest... But there is a twist!" and it'll do that well
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Mar 23, 2023 14:19
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Lol at the most "worthwhile" use case being a replacement for simple human imagination
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Futanari Damacy posted:Lol at the most "worthwhile" use case being a replacement for simple human imagination It can't get facts right so what else is there
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Mar 23, 2023 16:12
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the best use case for the text to image models that I've seen is still probably deepfakes
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Mar 23, 2023 16:14
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I'm looking for rendering field sketches and other archeological evidence as reconstructions of the past, something that usually takes very talented illustrators. The problem is that while I could tell a human artist XYZ and show him say, the boss of a shield or the metal decorations remaining from a door or piece of furniture that decayed, and there are many talented artists who do just this, the AI creates gibberish. It imagines fanciful things where I want reconstructions. I don't want fantasy scenes, I want, say an 6th century hill fort in Strathclyde, and I can feed in all of the reference images, detailed descriptions, try to train the model, I like, and what I get is either a video game world or, at best, anachronism that also doesn't look like I describe. I don't know, call it a lack of imagination, but this used to be the bread and butter of illustrators, even for children's non-fiction books and the AI is not up to it. "Marine Nationale sailors performing maintenance on a 3 inch naval gun, Saigon Navy Base, 1948." Actually, the description has been tried with way more detail, and dozens of reference photos, including colourized ones, but for the sake of simplicity.  Adobe has said their model will eventually be able to turn line drawings into 2D and 3D renderings of the object in question, but it's a long way off. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 16:20 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Mar 23, 2023 16:16
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chatGPT is good for showing code and being like "how can I make it do this other thing too?" but i don't do code as a job so maybe it's gay reddit fail aids or whatever we're saying now
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Mar 23, 2023 16:19
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Futanari Damacy posted:Lol at the most "worthwhile" use case being a replacement for simple human imagination Back in the 1970s - 2000s we only had books with tables to cross reference dice rolls with garbage random garbage texts. Automation of random encounters was long overdue But yes lol
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Futanari Damacy posted:Lol at the most "worthwhile" use case being a replacement for simple human imagination nah id say its more an imagination aid than replacement. it depends how your brain works i guess. a lot of it is trash but some of it is either bang on how you imagined it or its something new and you go "oh yeah thats an idea, you could do it like xyz" for something element youd otherwise not given your full attention to its more like a sounding board or assistant, some new reflections on your stuff coming from outside your head, i guess ironically the AI ends up prompting you thats why they are trying to push them as AI assistants, you can really use them that way and they work pretty well. I do know some coders who have used it at work but I use it for my personal creative nonsense to augment what i can already do. like i wonder about creating a SD model based on my own art then using that to generate backgrounds and crowds and details like I have my own team of manga assistants or something. its a huge potential boost for solo projects imo e: i think theres an actual risk of it changing peoples ability to imagine (more than has already happened with tv) but i kinda think saying its a replacement for imagination is like saying that about buying a stamp to produce a pattern repeatedly without drawing it each time Communist Thoughts has issued a correction as of 18:08 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Mar 23, 2023 18:02
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Gonna train an AI on my posts and just empty quote it infinitely
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Mar 23, 2023 18:10
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm looking for rendering field sketches and other archeological evidence as reconstructions of the past, something that usually takes very talented illustrators. The problem is that while I could tell a human artist XYZ and show him say, the boss of a shield or the metal decorations remaining from a door or piece of furniture that decayed, and there are many talented artists who do just this, the AI creates gibberish. It imagines fanciful things where I want reconstructions. Bro it can't even consistently get the number of fingers on a hand right
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KirbyKhan posted:Gonna train an AI on my posts and just empty quote it infinitely surely theres gotta be an AI poster here already somewhere
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Shear Modulus posted:Bro it can't even consistently get the number of fingers on a hand right It's just that it sucks that this is going to hurt artists that I could have paid a fair amount of money to turn line drawings or sketches into proper illustrations. Can you imagine one of these things trying to do paleo art if you give it a series of sketches of disarticulated bones? lol All the same, it's going to hurt the artists who can do those things.
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Mar 23, 2023 18:16
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You can still pay those artists lol
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Mar 23, 2023 18:18
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:You can still pay those artists lol That ability will go away from anything that is institutionally funded (corporate, academics, whatever) shortly. Managerial types are already getting the idea that chatgpt is magic because their economic incentives are to reduce marginal costs, not to produce accurate and high quality outputs. The magic isn't that it replaces an illustrator's ability to accurately render a historical scene, based on all available reference materials. The magic is that it eliminates the cost of paying the artist. The fact that the illustration is now totally confabulated bullshit is completely ancillary because a) they can always apologize for that later and apologies are free, and b) if all the institutional powers that hold all the economic levers mutually agree that This Is Fine then they can just loving fact check and shout down the isolated individual people saying that the AI output is bullshit and reify a new system of values in which Whatever The Thing Produces Must Be Right. Don't believe me? Look at the opinion makers saying that a bullshit randomized controlled trial meta-analysis is a "gold standard" because it fits a desirable political-economic narrative and that physical process and engineering analysis showing the opposite must be wrong. The end state is one in which you literally can't pay artists for institutional work anymore because that line item in your budget will never be approved.
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm looking for rendering field sketches and other archeological evidence as reconstructions of the past, something that usually takes very talented illustrators. The problem is that while I could tell a human artist XYZ and show him say, the boss of a shield or the metal decorations remaining from a door or piece of furniture that decayed, and there are many talented artists who do just this, the AI creates gibberish. It imagines fanciful things where I want reconstructions. HAahah jesus christ these are worse than the airplanes
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The Oldest Man posted:That ability will go away from anything that is institutionally funded (corporate, academics, whatever) shortly. Managerial types are already getting the idea that chatgpt is magic because their economic incentives are to reduce marginal costs, not to produce accurate and high quality outputs. The magic isn't that it replaces an illustrator's ability to accurately render a historical scene, based on all available reference materials. The magic is that it eliminates the cost of paying the artist. The fact that the illustration is now totally confabulated bullshit is completely ancillary because a) they can always apologize for that later and apologies are free, and b) if all the institutional powers that hold all the economic levers mutually agree that This Is Fine then they can just loving fact check and shout down the isolated individual people saying that the AI output is bullshit and reify a new system of values in which Whatever The Thing Produces Must Be Right. Don't believe me? Look at the opinion makers saying that a bullshit randomized controlled trial meta-analysis is a "gold standard" because it fits a desirable political-economic narrative and that physical process and engineering analysis showing the opposite must be wrong. Man the planets dying I don't have time to be worried about bullshit like this sorry lol
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Mar 23, 2023 18:46
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Just pay the artists who didn't stop existing overnight imo
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Frosted Flake posted:
yeah its garbage at accuracy and specifics. which is why its a TERRIBLE idea for a search engine replacement or as anything you're taking actual advice or info from. I reckon a skilled enough promptsmith could maybe manage it with enough negative prompts and training but I don't know if it would be worth the effort
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the text generation engine is of course useless as a search engine but there are actual search engines as well, like the beta bing one and this they combine the same unreliable text output with actual citations to internet search results which you can just click on of course sometimes it'll just make poo poo up and say something that's not in the cited source so the main point is just using it to find links/articles  that citation goes to this web page which really does have the answer
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Mar 23, 2023 19:35
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Man the planets dying I don't have time to be worried about bullshit like this sorry lol thought terminating cliché, etc
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webcams for christ posted:thought terminating cliché, etc so the planet isn't dying? cool!
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The Oldest Man posted:That ability will go away from anything that is institutionally funded (corporate, academics, whatever) shortly. Managerial types are already getting the idea that chatgpt is magic because their economic incentives are to reduce marginal costs, not to produce accurate and high quality outputs. The magic isn't that it replaces an illustrator's ability to accurately render a historical scene, based on all available reference materials. The magic is that it eliminates the cost of paying the artist. The fact that the illustration is now totally confabulated bullshit is completely ancillary because a) they can always apologize for that later and apologies are free, and b) if all the institutional powers that hold all the economic levers mutually agree that This Is Fine then they can just loving fact check and shout down the isolated individual people saying that the AI output is bullshit and reify a new system of values in which Whatever The Thing Produces Must Be Right. Don't believe me? Look at the opinion makers saying that a bullshit randomized controlled trial meta-analysis is a "gold standard" because it fits a desirable political-economic narrative and that physical process and engineering analysis showing the opposite must be wrong. yep.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:so the planet isn't dying? cool! no the planet is dying so I can't bothered to care about your posts
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webcams for christ posted:no the planet is dying so I can't bothered to care about your posts exactly yes
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Alright guys you heard it, the mechanical looms don't matter because you can just pay the weavers
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anyways imo you can just commission artists to make the stuff you want you don't have to invent a narrative about how they'll all be gone soon to justify not commissioning them. spread the wealth and get that portrait of yourself as a bob's burgers character, the kind of art that an AI could never replicate the soul and passion of
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Yea, I uh, don't have an artist budget... is this weird or something?
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The Oldest Man posted:Alright guys you heard it, the mechanical looms don't matter because you can just pay the weavers mechanical looms don't batter because it's 2023 i've never even seen a loom dumbass
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this mf talking about looms... dude this is the AI thread!!! not the loom thread!!!
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The Oldest Man posted:That ability will go away from anything that is institutionally funded (corporate, academics, whatever) shortly. Managerial types are already getting the idea that chatgpt is magic because their economic incentives are to reduce marginal costs, not to produce accurate and high quality outputs. The magic isn't that it replaces an illustrator's ability to accurately render a historical scene, based on all available reference materials. The magic is that it eliminates the cost of paying the artist. The fact that the illustration is now totally confabulated bullshit is completely ancillary because a) they can always apologize for that later and apologies are free, and b) if all the institutional powers that hold all the economic levers mutually agree that This Is Fine then they can just loving fact check and shout down the isolated individual people saying that the AI output is bullshit and reify a new system of values in which Whatever The Thing Produces Must Be Right. Don't believe me? Look at the opinion makers saying that a bullshit randomized controlled trial meta-analysis is a "gold standard" because it fits a desirable political-economic narrative and that physical process and engineering analysis showing the opposite must be wrong. this is a good post ty
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:this mf talking about looms... dude this is the AI thread!!! not the loom thread!!! the computer (AI host) is the grandchild of the jacquard loom (class Enemy)
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The Oldest Man posted:That ability will go away from anything that is institutionally funded (corporate, academics, whatever) shortly. Managerial types are already getting the idea that chatgpt is magic because their economic incentives are to reduce marginal costs, not to produce accurate and high quality outputs. The magic isn't that it replaces an illustrator's ability to accurately render a historical scene, based on all available reference materials. The magic is that it eliminates the cost of paying the artist. The fact that the illustration is now totally confabulated bullshit is completely ancillary because a) they can always apologize for that later and apologies are free, and b) if all the institutional powers that hold all the economic levers mutually agree that This Is Fine then they can just loving fact check and shout down the isolated individual people saying that the AI output is bullshit and reify a new system of values in which Whatever The Thing Produces Must Be Right. Don't believe me? Look at the opinion makers saying that a bullshit randomized controlled trial meta-analysis is a "gold standard" because it fits a desirable political-economic narrative and that physical process and engineering analysis showing the opposite must be wrong. yeah lol strAight from the horses mouth Nouriel Roubini: Surviving global megathreats | McKinsey www.mckinsey.com posted:In this episode of the McKinsey Global Institute’s Forward Thinking podcast, co-host Michael Chui talks with Nouriel Roubini. Roubini is professor emeritus of economics at the Stern School of Business at New York University, and CEO of Roubini Macro Associates, a global macroeconomics consultancy. He covers topics including the following:
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:get that portrait of yourself as a bob's burgers character, the kind of art that an AI could never replicate the soul and passion of It's so funny you think that's what art is. It's also the only thing the AI can do. 
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The Oldest Man posted:Alright guys you heard it, the mechanical looms don't matter because you can just pay the weavers those actually made usable cloth though
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Shear Modulus posted:those actually made usable cloth though I have some bad news about who gets to decide what counts as "usable" when it comes to art
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i guess making AI Art into a plausible money laundering vehicle is the use case for NFTs
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Frosted Flake posted:It's so funny you think that's what art is. It's also the only thing the AI can do. which national hero is that
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