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In the video you can briefly see water trailing the fuselage. That seems like a pretty reliable source. Edit with some napkin maths: An E-2 is about 18.5 feet tall, the flight deck of a Nimitz-class carrier is between 55 and 59’ above water (water line is painted at 55’ below the flight deck, and that’s the max load weight). The official report said the aircraft came ‘within 20 feet of strike of water’. That would mean a drop where the rotodome is at least 10-15 feet below the flight deck. The camera room in the island is about 4 stories above the deck so it’s looking down about 30 feet or so, which will mean a shallow downward angle over the end of the flight deck. That camera would be able to see below the flight deck, increasing in depth the further out the aircraft goes. The plane is out of view of the camera for a full 4 seconds. At the stall speed of 75 knots that’s a full 500 feet away from the carrier, plus two seconds of the initial drop before going out of sight is about 700-750 feet away before becoming visible again. So, basically, that aircraft must be only a couple feet off the water by the time it’s visible again, and at that point it’s already climbing. Advent Horizon fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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CarForumPoster posted:I've heard from reliable source that the bottom of this aircraft was wet. And it wasn’t the only one.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Airlines should totally keep doing those "single pilot" studies: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna76275 Just have a Twitch MSFS stream remote control the plane, it's fine
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:I'd want to ask the idea men how they square having triple redundancies for every system in the machine with having none for the god drat pilot, but I'm scared I would try to strangle them first Remote control. Probably would have saved the passengers of Germanwings Flight 9525 as well as prevented 9/11 if they ground station could enforce takeover. That's assuming the statistics bear out that it is better to have override control with a ground station than visa versa. It is even more straight forward for just supplying a just in case pilot for an incapacitated crew.
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If they’re going to get rid of the First Officer—which is a bad idea, but for the sake of argument, it happens—what they ought to do is make sure that every plane has a flight attendant with some minimal training to get on the radio and get coached to a landing.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Remote control. Probably would have saved the passengers of Germanwings Flight 9525 as well as prevented 9/11 if they ground station could enforce takeover. That's assuming the statistics bear out that it is better to have override control with a ground station than visa versa. It is even more straight forward for just supplying a just in case pilot for an incapacitated crew. Okay but what if you hijack the ground control center (or signal)
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Xakura posted:Okay but what if you hijack the ground control center (or signal) Instrument flight already relies upon no-one hijacking the signals or ground stations?
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Bring back the sextant dome. Ain’t nobody hijacking the stars.
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Platystemon posted:Bring back the sextant dome. i have bad news for you about the rapidly-increasing prevalence of satellite megaconstellations and clouds and daytime
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Instrument flight already relies upon no-one hijacking the signals or ground stations? As witnessed in die hard 2
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Luneshot posted:i have bad news for you about the rapidly-increasing prevalence of satellite megaconstellations Loiter until starlock
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It appears there’s a made for TV movie “loosely based on” the Gimli Glider. I assume it’s trash, has anyone seen it?
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Xakura posted:Okay but what if you hijack the ground control center (or signal) SWAT team can't break down the cockpit door to shoot a hijacker mid-flight but they can shoot up the ground station if necessary
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FuturePastNow posted:SWAT team can't break down the cockpit door to shoot a hijacker mid-flight but they can shoot up the ground station if necessary Yeah but it turns out they raided the wrong ground station and then sued the families of their victims for embarrassing them.
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there was a documentary about this, it's called die hard 2
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I think maybe having two alive and qualified pilots in the front of the flying sky bus tube to keep everyone alive is a good idea and not the best place to look for cost savings.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Instrument flight already relies upon no-one hijacking the signals or ground stations? Every aircraft capable of IFR has multiple ways to cross check all of that though. Equipment failure or even a plane being directed onto the wrong taxiway happens all the time in comparison to signal hijacking.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:I think maybe having two alive and qualified pilots in the front of the flying sky bus tube to keep everyone alive is a good idea and not the best place to look for cost savings. I take it that you've never been to business school!
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:I think maybe having two alive and qualified pilots in the front of the flying sky bus tube to keep everyone alive is a good idea and not the best place to look for cost savings. Alive AND qualified being the key words here.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:I think maybe having two alive and qualified pilots in the front of the flying sky bus tube to keep everyone alive is a good idea and not the best place to look for cost savings. Nobody. Is. Different.* *Finance bro explaining why it was in fact a good idea to undermine Boeing's engineering culture for short term profits
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Luneshot posted:i have bad news for you about the rapidly-increasing prevalence of satellite megaconstellations These things aren’t the impedimenta to stellar navigation that you think they are. The satellite constellations are actually a positive even.
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Instrument flight already relies upon no-one hijacking the signals or ground stations? It won't be _great_, but in a scenario where a bad actor has hijacked ATC radio communication, GPS, and every radio navigation aid, you can fly an IFR flight plan with an airspeed indicator, a paper map, a compass and a stopwatch. At least well enough to get you somewhere where you can see a runway.
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Just use the inflatable pilot dude
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Safety Dance posted:It won't be _great_, but in a scenario where a bad actor has hijacked ATC radio communication, GPS, and every radio navigation aid, you can fly an IFR flight plan with an airspeed indicator, a paper map, a compass and a stopwatch. At least well enough to get you somewhere where you can see a runway. You won’t know the weather conditions in such a contrived scenario so I guess it’s possible that you won’t. Do they train dead reckoning and pilotage with ridiculous failure modes in airliner sims? It would seem like trying to do that at Mach 0.8 deep in the soup would be difficult but we’re just coming up with really, really contrived scenarios at that point. If even the sat phone is somehow dead and the transponder is still working maybe flicking between 7600/7700 would get you sent an F-15/16/22 to follow. I guess if the transponder is down too and ATC sees only the primary return that might get you an intercept faster. On speaking of sat phones you could probably get a text message out during cruise at the very least. We’re talking ridiculous thriller novel EMPs at this point.
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Does ACARS use the sat phone or something else?
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https://i.imgur.com/uL3uQGO.mp4 no sound sadly
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Warbird posted:Just use the inflatable pilot dude Otto will never let you down.
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Beef Of Ages posted:Otto will never let you down. He does need to be manually re-inflated to stay in top working order.
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Murgos posted:These things aren’t the impedimenta to stellar navigation that you think they are. Yeah but imagine how funny it would be if Musk’s toys broke ICBMs.
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Well, *this* doesn't show up on ADS-B very often: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae6beb EDIT: Welp, they nixed that pretty quickly. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Murgos posted:He does need to be manually re-inflated to stay in top working order. That’s a union rule iirc
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Well, *this* doesn't show up on ADS-B very often: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae6beb It's still up with empty callsign, or was it the callsign?
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I think the point is that it went dark and the track stopped being updated.
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Are lancers intended to be international bombers? Iran just missile attached a base in Syria earlier.
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Warbird posted:Are lancers intended to be international bombers? Iran just missile attached a base in Syria earlier. It totally wasn't Iran, it was people who just happened to be Iranian.
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Warbird posted:Are lancers intended to be international bombers? Iran just missile attached a base in Syria earlier. If a B-1 was launching to strike somewhere in Syria it'd be from Al Udeid or Diego Garcia. And far more likely to be the former, because the B-1s are "issue prone" and the last place you want to have an issue is over the massive swath of *nothing* that is the Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Not many (re: none) friendly diverts other than turning back and praying to whatever entity will listen. Here's a rather well-shot nighttime/dusk full AB takeoff from Al Udeid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovuh2obq86g Taking off from Nellis, it's far more likely this B-1 was going to Mountain Home AFB, or it was Edwards' test airframe.
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Warbird posted:Just use the inflatable pilot dude Surely you can't be serious.
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PhotoKirk posted:Surely you can't be serious. A big rock in the Mediterranean, but that’s not important now.
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Full Collapse posted:Does ACARS use the sat phone or something else? ACARS can be VHF, HF, or Satcom. I assume VHF is the most common, except for trans oceanics.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:If a B-1 was launching to strike somewhere in Syria it'd be from Al Udeid or Diego Garcia. And far more likely to be the former, because the B-1s are "issue prone" and the last place you want to have an issue is over the massive swath of *nothing* that is the Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea. Not many (re: none) friendly diverts other than turning back and praying to whatever entity will listen. I wonder what the glide slope is on one of those things.
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