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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
This one does, to be fair, at least seem to be written mostly from a red-team perspective of "how do we, pretending we're PLAN planners, sell the Chinese public on a southern fleet". Though it trips over itself a bit switching gears at times and, having just established that these would (and this is a fair assessment IMO) be cherrypicked narrative framings based on the early Ming maritime tradition, then criticizing potential contradictions which in the authors' opinions could have developed in Ming society and international relations had the framing actually always been true.

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Al-Saqr posted:

Also isnt producing 1500 tanks in a year very feasible for an industrial country on a war footing? the soviets used to produce 15,000 tanks a year in ww2. I dont get why 1500 is hard to believe from one of the two main tank manufacturers on earth.

because the reality of 21st century capitalism makes it politically and economically difficult-if-not-impossible to just sign a bill, turn a key, and resume Cold War scale production. Russia might be able to ramp up a bit more than the US would but they are going to face a lot of the same problems we've been discussing in the WW3 thread

the MIC's rate of return is much smaller than other avenues open to capital, which wasn't the case in 1975

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
US Fears a War-Weary World May Embrace China’s Ukraine Peace Bid

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



OctaMurk posted:

US Fears a War-Weary World May Embrace China’s Ukraine Peace Bid

Had a double take but this is a real headline

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

i bet russia would experience minimal challenges producing 15000 t-34s in a year if they really wanted to do it for some reason

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

OctaMurk posted:

US Fears a War-Weary World May Embrace China’s Ukraine Peace Bid

peace trolls...

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
yeah the issue is capitalism, and Russia is unfortunately a capitalist state

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Al-Saqr posted:

Also isnt producing 1500 tanks in a year very feasible for an industrial country on a war footing? the soviets used to produce 15,000 tanks a year in ww2. I dont get why 1500 is hard to believe from one of the two main tank manufacturers on earth.

If their own country can't do it then it follows it must be even more impossible for another country to do it, especially one populated by dumb sub humans.

Behold the power of propaganda. It can be a double edged sword at times when the overconfidence and complacency kicks in.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

DancingShade posted:

If their own country can't do it then it follows it must be even more impossible for another country to do it, especially one populated by dumb sub humans.

Behold the power of propaganda. It can be a double edged sword at times when the overconfidence and complacency kicks in.

Our own country can't do it because our capitalists don't want to and they have other uses for their money. However, we just tried to make it as hard as possible for Russian capitalists to use their money on other things.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Megamissen posted:

i need to know the status of budjak before i can make a judgement

budjak is korea

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Frosted Flake posted:

Our own country can't do it because our capitalists don't want to and they have other uses for their money. However, we just tried to make it as hard as possible for Russian capitalists to use their money on other things.

We also completely stopped the Russian brain drain so they're keeping all their best now.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
lol Medvedev playing the hits of "our enemy only understands force," a rhetoric used by Brits and the US and Russia and so on over the decades.

quote:

Medvedev launched more anti-Western diatribes Thursday, declaring that “it’s useless to have talks” with the West and speaking with contempt about Western politicians, alleging a “catastrophic drop in competence and elementary literacy of European Union leaders.”

“I have no illusions that we could communicate with them again any time soon,” he said. “It makes no sense to negotiate with certain countries and blocs — they only understand the language of force.”

quote:

In a video fragment from his meeting with top factory managers posted Thursday, Medvedev read one of those telegrams, in which Stalin demanded a tank factory to meet the production plans and warned: “If you breach your duty before the Motherland, I will destroy you as criminals who forget their honor and interests of the Motherland.”

https://apnews.com/article/medvedev-nuclear-putin-arrest-warrant-germany-ukraine-6dcde92e06f41a7c5cb7386f7939df33

He seems to really be enjoying his ultra-hawk schtick.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

its no coincidence his surname is derived from th word for bear......

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Frosted Flake posted:

Cultural analysis, be it the return of Kremlinology or recent musings about the inscrutable Orient and Sun Tzu, is the least rigorous part of the academic culture around defence and international relations, and you really have to wonder about it sometimes because it seems mostly to entirely wrong. Come to think of it, it doesn't seem to have ever been right. From the Geneva Conference ending the Indochina War, to the Paris Peace Talks concerning Vietnam to predicting Soviet policy, it seems to me that skull measuring should be discredited - particularly since anyone who is recently from there, educated there, has family there, etc can't get the security clearance so these are all written by people who went to Georgetown.

For example on India and BRICS, Indian and Chinese Naval Policy, there's a lot of stuff about how the Indians are more "Western", the Indian Ocean leads to the Mediterranean, the Himalayas present a barrier on the Eurasian continent so that India looks towards Europe, and the tone of these gets more... "interesting", picking up tempo towards "well the British colonized them, so they're practically British (but worse)", and other stuff that frankly seems like a lot of words to say that the Indians are Aryan, and then oh no! The navy we expected to contain the PLAN is going on joint exercises with them. Dang.

I don't know, it's really loving weird and goes way back to Colonial Officers studying pottery and folklore to inform policy a century ago.

lol that indian naval doctrine mostly has been consistent since independence because WW2 largely left us with a shipbuilding industry and by the time those ships were deemed obsolete for Indian service, we were firmly in the soviet camp.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Nix Panicus posted:

I sincerely hope the Russians don't start hunting minivans on the roads. There's got to be some civilian traffic out there, right?


Ukraine uses civilian trucks as apcs half the time.

There is a shocking amount of civilians on the frontline, like in the middle of Bakhmut, but I don't think anybody is driving around casually. They're all hiding in basements.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

mlmp08 posted:

lol Medvedev playing the hits of "our enemy only understands force," a rhetoric used by Brits and the US and Russia and so on over the decades.



https://apnews.com/article/medvedev-nuclear-putin-arrest-warrant-germany-ukraine-6dcde92e06f41a7c5cb7386f7939df33

He seems to really be enjoying his ultra-hawk schtick.

He's right.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Regarde Aduck posted:

yeah the issue is capitalism, and Russia is unfortunately a capitalist state

I don't like this argument. Even if Russia is some how still a communist state they wouldn't make 2x more tanks than they have to. Russia is keeping the war under the threshold of total war they are managing it.

Also for some reason, the US hatred to Russia is as high as their hatred to the Soviet, so this is not an ideological war ( fighting large wars over ideologies is not very common in human history anyway.)

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

mlmp08 posted:

Bandera wasn’t a nice or good guy.

what does bandera have to do with ukraine's current situation? they're fighting for their lives against genocidal invaders.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

OctaMurk posted:

US Fears a War-Weary World May Embrace China’s Ukraine Peace Bid

gently caress me, the comments on reddit are absolutely r-worded

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

yeah the issue is capitalism, and Russia is unfortunately a capitalist state

As of 1939 the tank fleet of the US Army was composed of a couple hundred very lovely M2 tanks. Even so, the design for the M4 Sherman was submitted in August 1940, approved in April 1941, and by the end of 1942 the US had produced 8000 of them. Obviously you can't directly compare producing a T-90 and a Sherman but clearly industrial capitalist economies have historically been able to produce large quantities of military materiel.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1639072483222622209

congresscritters don't have access to juicy real military numbers, they basically have oryx numbers instead lmao

theres like eight people in congress that are allowed to see the actual info the military has, everybody gets this bullshit lol

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

crepeface posted:

gently caress me, the comments on reddit are absolutely r-worded

So how long until I get to play in a video game as a regular Ukrainian a.k.a hero… to defeat the Russians in their failed war of 2022?

first comment after opening up the live thread. also there's some chatter of Wagner withdrawing?

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


sum posted:

As of 1939 the tank fleet of the US Army was composed of a couple hundred very lovely M2 tanks. Even so, the design for the M4 Sherman was submitted in August 1940, approved in April 1941, and by the end of 1942 the US had produced 8000 of them. Obviously you can't directly compare producing a T-90 and a Sherman but clearly industrial capitalist economies have historically been able to produce large quantities of military materiel.

They had to basically set up a parallel command economy to do that though. The market would have just sold the nazis tanks

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

CODChimera posted:


first comment after opening up the live thread. also there's some chatter of Wagner withdrawing?

If the reports of Ukraine assembling all of their reserves numbering 80,000 *west of bakhmut are true along with their backers recently surging the dwindling supply of munitions in advance of the spring campaigning season I could see it. I don't think Wagner is best used fighting in a battle of that size. Sounds like a job for the Russian army to me.

*west not east obviously..

Starsfan has issued a correction as of 04:14 on Mar 24, 2023

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Tankbuster posted:

lol that indian naval doctrine mostly has been consistent since independence because WW2 largely left us with a shipbuilding industry and by the time those ships were deemed obsolete for Indian service, we were firmly in the soviet camp.

Excuse me my good man, but I assure you that you'll find pearls of wisdom such as:

- "In recent years India has become the focus of US strategy in the Indo-Pacific region because Washington sees New Delhi as the lynchpin for ensuring regional security and helping to counterbalance China" (Naval Powers in the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific)

- "Another key reason for the lack of a maritime orientation was that the Indian economy was largely inward looking for the socialist structure of the country meant that it was not a significant actor in the international economic and financial systems. India’s industrial, agricultural, and economic backwardness also led the country to invest more heavily in social investments rather than military ones (even today, as witnessed by the recent Rafale fighter deal, the Indian government will put economic objectives over national security objectives in making weapons procurement choices)."

- "(In 1992) Economically, the Indian economy was in the doldrums as the financial missteps of socialism had financially led to a major fiscal crisis for the Indian government."

- "...India’s politicians since the times of Nehru, have been acutely aware that in the age of colonialism the world was carved up among a select group of nations and the overwhelming majority of people on the planet had little or no say in determining their destiny or how the resources of the planet were shared for the common good. "

- "Moreover, since the early years after independence the Indian leadership has sought to indigenously develop and produce weapons systems both to ensure national autonomy but also to use the country’s military industry as one of the tools to industrialize and modernize the country. This has created a national defense industry that operates as one of the actors in the defense acquisition pro- cess and demands it get a chance to develop new weaponry for its constituent service. India has, therefore, pursued a shipbuilding capability that like other parts of the defense industry has seen delays, cost overruns, and interference from the primary customer – the Indian Navy."

- "Additionally, (an admiral) has suggested that India be allowed to purchase the Marine jump-jet version of the F-35 since it would make the most sense for the Indian carrier fleet given the configuration of Indian carriers."

- "An arms production relationship with the United States would be particularly useful for India since it would ensure that such deals were above suspicion of corruption thanks to the Foreign Military Sales provisions; it would qualitatively enhance the technologies available to the Indian Navy and, as (admiral) argues, give India a clear edge over the Chinese Navy (this, however, may be an optimistic assessment)."

- "Such cooperation, however, is surrounded by its own set of problems that reside in enduring suspicions in India about the intent of the United States, residual desires for maintaining a posture of nonalignment that require the country main- tain some distance from the major superpower, as well as India’s concerns about not being identified too closely with the United States in what is a very fluid Asian political and geostrategic environment. Moreover, the Indian government, the foreign policy bureaucracy, and the military remember that the United States engaged in coercive democracy vis-à-vis India in the 1971 India-Pakistan war and they also point out that after the 1998 nuclear tests the United States cut off all military ties hurting the country’s Light Combat Aircraft project. In Indian defense circles, therefore, the value of the United States as a supplier is always in question."

- "In the nuclear realm, the two nations have achieved deterrence since both countries have the ability to level destruction on each other’s major cities and that would significantly hurt both countries’ political systems and economies. Unlike nuclear war between the United States and Russia, even a small exchange would be devastating for both nations. "

- “The Chinese visualize their country as unlike any other, endowed with a rich and long civilizational history.
They feel that maintenance of peace and harmony is essential all around the periphery of their country and hence
claim that they inherently follow a defensive and harmonious rather than offensive approach to international
relations. Ironically, they are convinced of this view point and argue that their doctrinal approaches are mainly
‘benevolent’ by nature” (The Rise of the Indian Navy: Internal Vulnerabilities, External Challenges)

- “Rejecting the old stereotyped image of PLA that was equipped with obsolete weaponry to overwhelm its adversary by
sheer numbers, this document states that the PLA in fact is focusing on transforming itself by stressing on
quality, efficiency and high technology.”

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Weka posted:

He's right.

It's hard to argue with "catastrophic drop in competence and elementary literacy of European Union leaders"

Hatebag posted:

They had to basically set up a parallel command economy to do that though. The market would have just sold the nazis tanks

The market aka rich industrialist cunts loving loved Hitler

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

India should be allowed to purchase the Ross Rifle and F-104 while we’re at it

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Isentropy posted:

India should be allowed to purchase the Ross Rifle and F-104 while we’re at it

I think F-104s for Pakistan were part of the plan to bully India, actually.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1639025592677924864

goddamnit orban we need you to be one of our team players

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
it's really weird because when Brexit was still reversible the Tories openly bragged about Orban being their fallback plan and they'd have him veto any attempt at getting out of Brexit. Didn't matter in the end but lol at how all these alliances keep changing.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

putin posted:

gently caress me

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/mrjeffu/status/1639071660224688133

what is a rice paddle does it paddle rice or is it made of rice

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
japan is going to invade ukraine

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Slavvy posted:

They've mastered the art of spending a shitload of money to own themselves to the tune of hundreds and thousands of dead citizens

Slavvy Ukraini lol

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/mrjeffu/status/1639071660224688133

what is a rice paddle does it paddle rice or is it made of rice

you use it to scoop and serve cooked rice from the rice cooker/pot

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

conservapedia ftw

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

good news everyone

https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1638991916250329088

scandinavian air force voltron is no longer just a dream

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

This is only 5 minutes out of like a half hour long conversation, so I'm sure it's edited to present everything in the worst light possible.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1638939229156769792

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

checkmate once again tankies

https://twitter.com/paulaerizanu/status/1638982695098232832

turns out sanctions do work after all

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Ukraine uses civilian trucks as apcs half the time.

There is a shocking amount of civilians on the frontline, like in the middle of Bakhmut, but I don't think anybody is driving around casually. They're all hiding in basements.

Everyone uses civilian trucks.

Logistics is a problem for both sides. The reasons are just different though. Ukraine doesn't have enough military vehicles because they're out of everything. Russians need to deliver too many supplies to the front line for just military vehicles and military supply chains to handle it.

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