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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Look you just need to send all Chinese born professors in US universities back to China and send all US born Americans in Chinese universities back to the US. It's completely fair.

It's about time for the US to get all her English teachers back.

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

bedpan posted:

Do people understand that Donald Trump was defeated in the 2020 election and Joe Biden was inaugurated as 46th President of the United States on Jan 20th 2021? As of today, Joe Biden has been president for 793 days.

I am going to need to see a receipt for that, cause none of the Trump era Chinese policies got cancelled.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

stephenthinkpad posted:

Look you just need to send all Chinese born professors in US universities back to China

yea, you could call it an act to exclude chinese or something

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

Cerebral Bore posted:

yea, you could call it an act to exclude chinese or something

if they do, I'd have to thank them for reversing the brain drain of the past 50 years.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

North Korean prison inmates suffer brutal abuse and mistreatment during their detention, a new watchdog report says. One individual was even forced to eat bugs to supplement his diet because the little food that he was provided was not enough to survive.

Korea Future, an NGO that documents and investigates human rights violations in North Korea, published a report on Friday offering insight into Pyongyang's extensive penal system, where it says detainees endure systematic "torture and ill-treatment."

Detainees of this decades-old penal system — which consists of over 200 facilities across North Korea — are "re-educated through forced labor, ideological instruction, and punitive brutality with the purpose of compelling unquestioning obedience and loyalty" to the country's leader Kim Jong Un during and after detention, the report says.

Violations of international law within the penal system that are cited in the report include rape and sexual violence, forced labor, degrading treatment, torture, and denial of health — among others. Korea Future says the information has been compiled through interviews with victims, perpetrators, and witnesses, as well as review of internal documents.

The report focuses heavily on the specific cases of three victims who were jailed for trying to leave North Korea, or for helping others leave the country. Korea Future wrote that the incidents detailed in the report are clear breaches of international law and should be investigated. North Korea's office at the United Nations did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

One pregnant woman in her 30s who was arrested in China was brought back to North Korea and detained at three separate facilities, one of which was a re-education camp. During the woman's pre-trial detention, she was forced to have an abortion while she was at least seven months pregnant, the report says, noting this was one of 56 such forms of torture within North Korea's penal system.

Other prisoners were denied what the report described as the "right to food," which is when access to "quantitatively and qualitatively adequate food" is cut off.

One man in his 40s who helped North Korean citizens leave the country and also smuggled goods from China was detained at a re-education camp, where he was tortured through the "systematic denial of food," the report says. It added that this was one of 987 such incidents documented across the penal system.

This man was subjected to forced labor, and the amount of food he received was contingent on how much work he did each day, the report says. If he met his quota, he got just over four ounces of corn a day — but if he didn't meet the quota, this amount dropped to under three ounces. According to the report, the man "regularly" caught cockroaches and rodents just to supplement the small amount of food he got, and he suffered "extreme weight loss" because of this.

Beyond instances of forced abortions and lack of food, prisoners have also endured what is referred to as "positional torture" in North Korea's penal system. The report says individuals are forced to stay in fixed positions for an extended period of time, and these positions "can include forced standing or crouching, suspension of the body from a chain, shackling in stress positions, and sitting in deliberately uncomfortable positions for multiple hours or days."

A woman in her 50s was forced into positional torture at a North Korean detention facility, the report said, noting that this was one of 570 instances of such abuse recorded across the penal system. She spent 30 straight days in stress positions. She was forced to "sit crossed-legged on the floor, with her hands on her lap and head raised," the report says, and had hold the position for 17 hours each day.

According to the report, she could only move when she ate food. She witnessed detainees being beaten if they moved from their stress positions. She was also forced into other stress positions involving a chair that was made to restrict her movements, causing pain in her knees and joints.

Korea Future's findings are in line with forms of abuse that are cited in a recent UN report detailing the human rights situation in North Korea. In particular, this report says women in the country's detention facilities endure hard labor, harsh living conditions, and lack of hygiene.

"Women are detained in inhumane conditions and deprived of food. They are subjected to torture and ill-treatment, forced labour and gender-based violence, including sexual violence by state officials," the report says.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

stephenthinkpad posted:

Look you just need to send all Chinese born professors in US universities back to China and send all US born Americans in Chinese universities back to the US. It's completely fair.

It's about time for the US to get all her English teachers back.

lol

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014


i refuse on principle to care about the prison system in some other country until americans show they're capable of caring about the prison system in their own country

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
i on principle refuse to believe any western linked NGO

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
the US should pass a law that says Chinese eggheads have to stay here

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

The Chinese Inclusion Act :shobon:

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Tankbuster posted:

rahul gandhi being stripped of his MP status is all the funnier when you realise the surname Modi just means petty trader. Fired from his parliamentary job for disrespecting our butifel Petit Bourgeoisie.

every other second there's a bjp mp talking about eradicating all muslims and not being stripped of their seats. really makes you think about the liberal law based order vs how power actually works

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Cao Ni Ma posted:

China: The Only Superpower Interested in Peace

https://twitter.com/ftchina/status/1639335219374485504

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012


xi jinping saves the world yet again

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

mila kunis posted:

every other second there's a bjp mp talking about eradicating all muslims and not being stripped of their seats. really makes you think about the liberal law based order vs how power actually works

its creating an undercurrent of Gujaratis vs the rest of us. Things could get ugly.

All this because adani's business got called out by some cranky israeli autist.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/AsiaElects/status/1639224557717577728

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

why does everyone hate unp all of a sudden

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/GalloVOA/status/1639254000288813057

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I wonder how that meeting goes

Xi: "cmon man you can't be using nukes. on ukraine? nukes?? cmon think about it. on freakin,, ukraine??? can't do it, you just can't bro. trust me on this one. look you know I got you on the back end but cmon."
Putin: "fuuuuuck, fine"

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/GalloVOA/status/1639252495854870528

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


that's some dece war porn

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

indigi posted:

I wonder how that meeting goes

Xi: "cmon man you can't be using nukes. on ukraine? nukes?? cmon think about it. on freakin,, ukraine??? can't do it, you just can't bro. trust me on this one. look you know I got you on the back end but cmon."
Putin: "fuuuuuck, fine"

i'd keep workshopping this before trying it out in front of an audience

Dr. Jerrold Coe
Feb 6, 2021

Is it me?

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I can't be arsed linking but there's a whole thing on the national coroner site I researched ages ago.

Honestly it's pretty simple on some thought; they're large and dangerous animals that humans actually interact with on a daily basis in a variety of settings, especially athletic and recreational ones. And similarly, the second most deadly animal- or rather, involved in the most deaths- is dogs.

the truth is out there http://www.lrgaf.org/deadly_equines.htm



ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

thank you, mr president :patriot:

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001
Nobel peace prize for Xi pls.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

thank you, mr president :patriot:

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

R. Guyovich posted:

i'd keep workshopping this before trying it out in front of an audience

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

R. Guyovich posted:

i'd keep workshopping this before trying it out in front of an audience

no

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

It sucks America will not allow peace in Ukraine even if it means completely depleteting all stocks of its own weapons

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

KomradeX posted:

It sucks America will not allow peace in Ukraine even if it means completely depleteting all stocks of its own weapons

long term it's probably better

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

indigi posted:

long term it's probably better

Until.someone gives the nazis a nuke

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

KomradeX posted:

Until.someone gives the nazis a nuke

but america already has nukes?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Centrist Committee posted:

but america already has nukes?

Good point

Brandon Proust
Jun 22, 2006

"Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Nobel peace prize for Xi pls.

something something second nobel peace price winner to bomb another nobel peace price winner (not msf, though)

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

GlassEye-Boy posted:

You love to see it. Writing is on the wall, Chinese scientists, businesses, and people are going to be targeted more and more and its better to head somewhere where you are appreciated.


lol

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3214610/scientist-exiled-us-brain-research-finds-well-funded-lab-china

https://www.science.org/content/article/pall-suspicion-nihs-secretive-china-initiative-destroyed-scores-academic-careers

quote:

here was a note of urgency in the first email that Wuyuan Lu, a tenured professor at University of Maryland’s Institute of Human Virology (IHV), got from a senior university research administrator.

“We have received an official communication from the National Institutes of Health,” Dennis Paffrath wrote to Lu on 20 December 2018. “It concerns the failure by you and the University to disclose outside research support, relevant affiliations and foreign components” of Lu’s existing NIH grants.

The NIH letter listed Lu’s ties to Xi’an Jiaotong University and Fudan University, including grants NIH said Lu had received from Chinese research agencies. The letter also alleged that his NIH grant had supported work done in China. “I need to know if [this] is true,” Paffrath wrote to Lu. “If not, we will need to work with NIH to help them understand that this is not the case.”

Lu replied the next day, confident that his explanation would clear up what he assumed was a simple misunderstanding. Some of NIH’s allegations, he wrote, appeared to be based on the acknowledgement section of papers with Chinese co-authors in which Lu noted their contributions to the research and the Chinese institutions that had funded them. But those references were a courtesy, Lu explained, and didn’t mean his NIH grants were supporting any of their efforts.
103  jobs lost

42% of 246 targeted scientists were terminated by their institution or resigned.
A. Mastin/Science

In fact, he wrote, the opposite was true: His Chinese collaborations multiplied the payoff from the research that NIH had funded at IHV for more than 2 decades. Lu highlighted the intellectual property his lab generated for the university, telling Paffrath that “none of it would have been possible without” the talented Chinese students working at IHV through these collaborations. IHV had not only approved his interactions with Xi’an Jiaotong University, Lu added, but had touted them in its newsletters.

Lu accepted some blame. “It can be argued that I should have done a better job disclosing these past activities,” he wrote to Paffrath. “But the truth of the matter is that I did not think they presented any conflict of interest.”

Nor was it clear what he could have done differently, Lu continued. “Even if I had thought [those interactions] should be disclosed,” he wrote, “I wouldn’t have known where, how, and what to disclose due to lack of clear guidelines.”

Lu expected his letter to allay NIH’s concerns and allow him to continue research that contributed to the institute’s search for new therapies to treat cancer and infectious diseases. His boss, renowned virologist Robert Gallo, told Science a prominent colleague once called Lu “the most gifted protein chemist in America,” and Gallo says Lu was a valued member of his management team.

But after hearing nothing for 15 months, Lu was told that NIH wanted more information. In his next reply, Lu included lengthy descriptions of each of his research projects with Chinese collaborators and explanations of how they did not conflict or overlap with his NIH funding.

That response was also insufficient, Paffrath told Lu in his next email. NIH wanted still more documents, Paffrath wrote, “and as quickly as possible.” A few weeks later came what Lu interpreted as “a veiled threat” from NIH. “NIH will not continue to be patient in receiving these documents,” Paffrath wrote, “and may pursue other remedies if we do not comply with their request.”
53  banned

21% of 246 targeted scientists were banned from applying for National Institutes of Health grants.
A. Mastin/Science

By then Lu’s patience was also wearing thin. For example, NIH had requested English and Mandarin copies of any contracts that Lu had signed with Chinese institutions. “I can’t generate something that doesn’t exist,” Lu wrote Paffrath regarding an affiliation with Fudan that Lu says was “purely honorary … and with no contractual obligations.”

Lu says he had recurring thoughts of returning to China to care for aging parents. Each time, Gallo told him he could do more to help the world by staying at IHV. But the increasingly bitter exchanges with NIH pushed him over the edge. In August 2020, Lu resigned his tenured position. He is now a professor at Fudan’s medical school in Shanghai.

“NIH was acting like a bully,” he tells Science, “and I decided that I’m not going to waste any more time on this witch hunt.”

...

Li Wang is the only researcher Science spoke with who was able to overturn her termination, thanks to her union’s collective bargaining agreement. But that isn’t to say she emerged unscathed.

Within a week of receiving an email from Lauer on 6 November 2018, University of Connecticut (UConn), Storrs, officials had removed Wang, a tenured professor of physiology and neurobiology, from her NIH grant and denied her access to the mice she used to study liver metabolism.

But senior administrators soon decided NIH’s claims that Wang held a position at Wenzhou Medical University and had received a grant from the National Natural Science Foundation of China did not hold up. “There is sufficient evidence to show that Dr. Wang is not formally affiliated” with Wenzhou, UConn’s then–vice president for research, Radenka Maric, wrote Lauer on 21 November, and that the grant “was in fact awarded to a different Li Wang.”

Lauer wasn’t willing to accept those results, according to emails obtained by Science from UConn through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. On 28 November, Lauer wrote Maric, now UConn’s president, that there were “at least four publications” that listed “Dr. Wang-UConn as affiliated with Wenzhou” and reminded Maric “to consider those publications as part of your ongoing reviews.” Lauer also told Maric that “NIH thought a reasonable person would consider it more likely than not that Dr. Wang-UConn received financial support for her research” from the Chinese grant.

Lauer suggested UConn officials contact the FBI, and in a subsequent email Maric told Lauer it had given UConn “additional information regarding Chinese talent programs, foreign affiliations, and key search terms.” UConn used FBI techniques to search Wang’s emails, she told Lauer, and obtained “a forensic image of [Wang’s] laptop … that appear to contradict her denials.”

UConn then changed its mind about Wang’s innocence. “We cannot certify Dr. Wang as being honest, trustworthy and forthright,” Maric told Lauer on 19 February 2019.

ne month later, UConn banned Wang, who at one point held five NIH grants, from applying for NIH funding for 3 years, and in July the university decided to fire her. Wang resigned on 19 September 2019, 1 day before her termination went into effect.

Wang had already filed a grievance, which was rejected. But she had another way to fight back: A collective bargaining agreement gives UConn faculty the right to seek outside, binding arbitration in employment disputes.

Wang took advantage of that mechanism, in which an independent arbitrator conducts its own inquiry and issues a ruling that both parties have agreed to accept. The quasi-judicial process, which includes testimony from both sides, was conducted by the American Arbitration Association (AAA), and in November 2021 its arbitrator ruled in Wang’s favor. In a 56-page decision, AAA’s Peter Adomeit ordered UConn to pay Wang $1.4 million in compensation for being suspended and terminated “without just cause.”


lmao

Brandon Proust
Jun 22, 2006

"Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"


Lu should have told them to gently caress off right away. imo

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009
I think it's reasonable that he thought they wouldn't be stupid because he benefited them. I think it's been said before that scientists aren't necessarily that much smarter than anyone else outside their fields of study, so he could easily have not realized they just wanted to oust him for his nationality even if they were shooting themselves in the foot.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
much like engineers and doctors, scientists are often complete loving idiots

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I don't think anyone expected a blatantly rascist witch hunt like this in modern America.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
it is surprising to me at least that countries are still sending their students to american universities as if degrees from them mean anything anymore. surely chinese universities have reached parity with, if not exceeded, our football teams disguised as colleges

like the UCs and a scattering of programs at various other large universities are the only ones left still worth half a poo poo

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
institutional momentum. people in charge of publishing journals graduated back when American universities were the top of the heap and their brains have calcified

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