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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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I did my part in preventing Perskeko, but you can be absolutely sure that even if PS gets into government, it will immediately splinter into turbo-racist and regular-racist factions just like last time and just like every populist party ever. The only way they can actually influence the actual political situation is by shifting the baseline rightwards, and I'm glad that it seems like it hasn't worked that well (for the moment at least).
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Mar 24, 2023 20:10
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bad_fmr posted:Kenties Odinin sotaveteraani? Tämä kyseinen ehdokas oli vielä peruskoulussa, kun SoO spedet marssi.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:13
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Center and right are seeking full austerity, left is trying to do austerity light, there's some blockification going on so it remains to be seen what kind of eldritch coalition will be possible. CP is diving so deep that straight out Perskeko vol.2 is not possible, but with the assistance of Christian Crazies and Hjallis, suuuure! SFP possibly, but they don't mix with Finnish conservative nationalists so I doubt that. It's hard to imagine any coherent connecting theme for that bunch, though, except for austerity. TF would slash aid to developing countries again, but it's about the only pet theme that they can get through. TF are alone in thinking that Finland will do fine without immigrants (but there is an alarmingly high number of people who vote them for the dream of racially pure Suami).
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Mar 24, 2023 20:17
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There is a possibility of compromises regarding actions on climate change and the loss of biodiversity, which is a thing that cocks and especially kepu will be happy to oblige to with persut, so it would be a step backwards in any case.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:18
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Rebochan posted:Hi, I’m an American that lives in Espoo watching this election really nervously and feeling like the 2016 hell is about to happen again. How hosed are we looking? I literally cannot vote so all I can do is watch very nervously! If you have a job that pays money and don't need emergency healthcare you'll be worse off but it's not the end of the world.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:31
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If you need society's services, a conservative government will be a real problem. And it'll be a very bad time for refugees and the nature.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:34
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Hiekkakauppias posted:There is a possibility of compromises regarding actions on climate change and the loss of biodiversity, which is a thing that cocks and especially kepu will be happy to oblige to with persut, so it would be a step backwards in any case. I feel Orpo has made a big enough noise about Kok not participating in a government that doesn't take climate goals seriously that Pers goals could be achieved, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't find new ways of cutting emissions through creative mathematics and consider the work done.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:38
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Just an anecdote worth absolutely nothing but I had to visit my local shopping centre twice today because I forgot to buy dog food on the first time. The place also has ennakkoäänestyspiste and both times there were long lines to the voting place so, because im obviously too busy, I couldnt just hop in to vote. So maybe people are active this time around? Then again it was friday and the voting place was next to Alko so
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Mar 24, 2023 20:50
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bad_fmr posted:I forgot to buy dog food
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Mar 24, 2023 20:56
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There's a reason why Finnish leftists are less stressed out this time around. The previous election, a bougie government could have crippled healthcare for decades. This time around they're mostly going to bicker, something would have to change drastically for Finland to do any worse than the EU in general is doing. This isn't a world-changing disaster either way, though if you have long COVID you might disagree.
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Mar 24, 2023 21:02
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It's difficult to analyse anecdotal evidence, but it's always worth remembering that a low turnout aids Kokoomus as their supporters are super loyal because they reap direct benefits from a Kok government. Meanwhile a high turnout helps Perussuomalaiset as they have a lot of potential voters in the not too enthusiastic crowd (such as one person who told me that he voted once, for Timo Soini for president, but as Soini lost he won't be voting again because it's a waste of time). So if you don't want to see either Orpo or Purra as prime minister, pray for some mystical magic turnout number between the extremes. Lucky rolls of dice in provinces matter too.
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Mar 24, 2023 21:03
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bad_fmr posted:Just an anecdote worth absolutely nothing but I had to visit my local shopping centre twice today because I forgot to buy dog food on the first time. The place also has ennakkoäänestyspiste and both times there were long lines to the voting place so, because im obviously too busy, I couldnt just hop in to vote. So maybe people are active this time around? I went to ennakkoäänestää in the shopping centre near me yesterday afternoon, and the line before me was a whole one person. But by the time I was done with the process and was leaving, there was a line of about 10 people. Maybe I just barely beat the afternoon rush?
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Mar 24, 2023 21:19
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Rappaport posted:I went to ennakkoäänestää in the shopping centre near me yesterday afternoon, and the line before me was a whole one person. But by the time I was done with the process and was leaving, there was a line of about 10 people. Maybe I just barely beat the afternoon rush? They saw a charismatic person going to vote and decided that this is the latest must trend!  Or maybe it was just timing, I wasn't there.
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Mar 24, 2023 21:22
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Anecdote for an anecdote  But YLE seems to have been reporting that the äänestysaktiivisuus has been about the same as in the last EK-elections, so I wouldn't read too much into it either way.
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Mar 24, 2023 21:25
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Rebochan posted:Hi, I’m an American that lives in Espoo watching this election really nervously and feeling like the 2016 hell is about to happen again. How hosed are we looking? I literally cannot vote so all I can do is watch very nervously! If you have a job that offers a comprehensive healtcare plan you should be fine. Like many others have said 2016 this ain't and who ends up on the top of the heap is still very much in the air.
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Mar 24, 2023 21:28
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Nenonen posted:I feel Orpo has made a big enough noise about Kok not participating in a government that doesn't take climate goals seriously that Pers goals could be achieved, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't find new ways of cutting emissions through creative mathematics and consider the work done. Sure but KOK is a party willing to compromise on everything except for tax cuts and privatization. At best they might be willing to compromise on their austerity list, like not cutting from corporate subsidies.
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Mar 24, 2023 22:40
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Ataxerxes posted:If you have a job that offers a comprehensive healtcare plan you should be fine. Like many others have said 2016 this ain't and who ends up on the top of the heap is still very much in the air. "a job that offers a comprehensive healtcare plan" this is a perversion of the universal healthcare model, as has rightly been pointed out. https://yle.fi/a/3-12408521 Työterveyshuolto on tehoton ja typerä järjestelmä, THL:n Mika Salminen lataa Ylen dokumentissa – "Pitäisi rakentaa kokonaan uudestaan
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Mar 25, 2023 03:22
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Explaining is not endorsing
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Mar 25, 2023 03:30
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Hiekkakauppias posted:Sure but KOK is a party willing to compromise on everything except for tax cuts and privatization. At best they might be willing to compromise on their austerity list, like not cutting from corporate subsidies. Kok is in fact willing to compromise on those too
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Mar 25, 2023 05:55
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doverhog posted:"a job that offers a comprehensive healtcare plan" this is a perversion of the universal healthcare model, as has rightly been pointed out. Yes, this is very true. But the person asking the question is not Finnish and is concerned. Wrong as it is having a job with solid healthcare is s good way to get care you would otherwise have to wait for.
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Mar 25, 2023 07:56
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Ataxerxes posted:Yes, this is very true. But the person asking the question is not Finnish and is concerned. Wrong as it is having a job with solid healthcare is s good way to get care you would otherwise have to wait for. Unless it's emergency care in which case you're hosed either way, with the staffing problems.
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Mar 25, 2023 08:04
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Yes, if you have an urgent medical issue they just tell you to go home and die.
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Mar 25, 2023 08:34
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Couple of months ago my left eye suddenly stopped working properly, alongside with my my sense of balance and hand-eye-coordination, and I started shaking and twitching. EMTs took a couple of minutes to arrive and whisked me off to the hospital to be checked. They took blood tests, a piss test and scanned my head, and had a doctor look over me. Really good care, but it took a total of eight hours all in all on a Wednesday, though I am aware that they had more urgent patients to attend to, and I could wait since I wasn't actively dying. Turns out it was apparently just an inherited tendency towards severe migraines kicking in in my thirties, nothing serious. I appreciate getting only a 25€ invoice for that, and 40€ for a later MRI scan.
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Mar 25, 2023 08:49
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Yeah, it's really dumb. I have as complete työterveyshuolto as there is these days (as far as I know) but still think it's a very inefficient parallel system. Sort of like when they talk about the unemployed and the poor they talk about ansiosidonnainen and asumistuki, but almost never mention toimeentulotuki. It's because the people who are actually poor don't vote, and also because politicians don't actually understand how the system works.
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Mar 25, 2023 08:50
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Treatment for acute life threatening incidents is imo quite good, although problems might come if there's just one doc available in house and they don't have experience of your particular ailment and don't recognize it swiftly. Misdiagnosis can easily lead to no effective treatment until it's too late. Distances to care is also a problem, in the north, in the lake areas and in the archipelago. But the slowness of the system is also a problem in more chronical cases, like when someone has debilitating pain it can take a long time before they get an operating time, in the meantime here's a jar of opioids don't get addicted mmm'kay?
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Mar 25, 2023 09:02
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Yeah. It's more of a problem with elective and less than urgent treatments that suffer. If you can't work due to busted knee and are in pain, we'll get to you sometime next year. If you are a delirious grandma and break your hip, you get your final surgery within 1-2 days.
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Mar 25, 2023 10:35
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There's also a major issue for people with mental health problems trying to get treatment. My friend had to wait for weeks and go through endless bureaucracy to get a refill for her prescription during a depressive episode, and she already had a diagnosis. I have no idea how an undiagnosed depressed person is supposed to get treatment in this country. And God forbid you ever admit to having tried budi, you're now a drug addict instead of a mental health patient.
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Mar 25, 2023 11:07
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Zyskowicz was pushed to pavement in Itäkeskus. Physical attacks against politicians are rare in Finland, lately I can only think of Sipilä getting punched on street, Soini getting attacked by a Soldier of Odin in Korso and Kataja getting hammered by nazis. From the sounds of it (a big guy mad about NATO and Jews) this was also a fascist. https://www.iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/57027e32-5a07-4001-8dc4-316ae0adcfb8 But we must not forget that radical leftism and islamists and immigrant gangs are the main threat in our society!
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Mar 25, 2023 12:07
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Tag yourself. https://twitter.com/jhilden/status/1639240266421874690
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Mar 25, 2023 12:18
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Kristallipuolue voisi olla hyppykeppi. e: ja ehkä SDP kuitenkin olisi jotain seniorisähköauton, rollaattorin ja palvelubussin väliltä Nenonen fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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Mar 25, 2023 12:26
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mielestäni se käytetty korolla paikallisesta OK-Autosta on aika tyypillinen demarin kulkuväline
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Mar 25, 2023 16:48
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Nenonen posted:Zyskowicz was pushed to pavement in Itäkeskus. Physical attacks against politicians are rare in Finland, lately I can only think of Sipilä getting punched on street, Soini getting attacked by a Soldier of Odin in Korso and Kataja getting hammered by nazis. From the sounds of it (a big guy mad about NATO and Jews) this was also a fascist. Physical attacks against anyone are not funny, especially during the election campaign season. This does not mean that you can ignore gang violence and islamism (which is of course just fascism with a different name and extra prejudice).
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Mar 25, 2023 17:32
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Poliitikkoja tuntuu huolettavan enemmän se, että joku sanoo heille twitterissä rumasti kuin se, että joku tulee vetämään kadulla turpaan. Mikä taitaa tarkoittaa suomalaisen yhteiskunnan olevan aika hyvässä paikassa tässä suhteessa.
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Mar 25, 2023 20:00
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Voted. I hereby reserve the right to bitch and whine whenever I feel like it until the next elections.
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Mar 26, 2023 10:59
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Nenonen posted:Zyskowicz was pushed to pavement in Itäkeskus. Physical attacks against politicians are rare in Finland, lately I can only think of Sipilä getting punched on street, Soini getting attacked by a Soldier of Odin in Korso and Kataja getting hammered by nazis. From the sounds of it (a big guy mad about NATO and Jews) this was also a fascist. If there's one thing far right and far left agree on, it's that jews run the world and are to blame for most of its problems. 
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Mar 26, 2023 12:41
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We're less than a week away from election day, and there's a disturbing lack of material. Do better.
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Mar 28, 2023 11:01
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Mar 28, 2023 11:57
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The gov negotiations are gonna be hilarious
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Mar 28, 2023 12:25
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I think we're going to see a minority government.
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Mar 28, 2023 13:44
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Fish of hemp posted:I think we're going to see a minority government. lol at a minority government in finland lasting more than like a month
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Mar 28, 2023 13:50
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