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There's other people who say that Marvel is no different than average though. According to that Jo Robinson tweeter, everyone she's heard from thinks Alonso was awesome. In the end it's just a lot of anecdotes either way. Fangz fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Variety confirms that Alonso was fired. It was a unanimous decision by Disney executives, HR, legal, and Marvel staff. Kevin Feige was not the one who initiated it, but he had no objection and did intervene to keep her. No specific details as to why, but Alonso was apparently not expecting it and did not have other employment lined up as evidenced by this ironic declaration she made about a week before she was fired: quote:“Look at this! Two women!” Alonso insisted the pair put down their cameras and pose for a photo with her in front of a giant Oscar statuette. As they all smiled, she told them, “We’ve worked so hard to get here and we’re not going anywhere.” https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1638698770543136770 Some VFX artists are also going on the record as defending her, but pretty much everyone agrees that around 2021 the delays, covid disruptions, D+ releases on top of movie releases, and huge schedule of 17 MCU releases in just under two years was where her style of management (approving every shot, making changes last minute, trying to "make every shot perfect" by reiterating them over and over, but also never missing a deadline, etc.) couldn't be sustained anymore. Every studio was hitting VFX artists hard during that time, but Alonso's management style and Marvel's huge catalog ground everything to an even slower halt that would have been tough to maintain in normal times, but was basically impossible during the pandemic. https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1638699558300418049 quote:At this year’s Academy Awards, Victoria Alonso was overwhelmed. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Mar 23, 2023 14:14
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Kind of unexpected casting news. Not sure if Deadpool 3 will have (another) time-travel element or if it is some other weird situation. Also, minor spoilers for Loki season 2, I guess? https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1638983636283162625
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Mar 24, 2023 16:01
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Could also just be a cameo for all we know
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Mar 24, 2023 16:01
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FlamingLiberal posted:Could also just be a cameo for all we know Yeah, I assume it is not a major role. Just not sure how he works into Deadpool 3 without some weird time-travel gimmick (which they already did in 2).
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Mar 24, 2023 16:03
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The TVA isn't exactly a time-travel organization as much as a ... reality hopping organization? So I'm sure it's something to do with getting Deadpool and Wolverine into the main MCU continuity
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Mar 24, 2023 16:18
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TVA is proper hosed after Loki S1 and Quantumania didn’t exactly help their cause.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Could also just be a cameo for all we know Yeah, I mean technically all the First Class X-men are in Deadpool 2
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Sockser posted:The TVA isn't exactly a time-travel organization as much as a ... reality hopping organization? In the first season of Loki, they where specifically time traveling to prevent alternate realities by destroying splinter timelines, though their mission statement has likely changed after notably failing their original goal and having their relative history retconned. In any case, given the time travel gag at the end of Deadpool 2, I could see Deadpool popping up on their radar. The question is weather they will be a major part of the plot, or just a quick cameo/gag where they show up to destroy the Fox X-Men reality.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:27
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It makes sense that an MCU movie about Foxverse characters would feature a character who can bounce between universes.
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I have this dumb theory that i wasn't Peter or Wanda,or Loki or Loki or Ant-Man who hosed up the MCU multiverse but Deadpool back in the end gag credits of Deadpool 2.
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It's a shame about Deadpool because I vehemently hate those movies but would like to see Wolverine and Mobius again. Maybe someone will make a Dead lpool-less cut.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:17
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We obviously need Mobius to meet Morbius.
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Barry Convex posted:even if the worst Star Wars fans hate Kathleen Kennedy for the worst possible reasons (and they do), I don't understand how she still has her job. when you're the head of Lucasfilm, being able to get a Star Wars film off the ground seems like it should be a pretty basic and fundamental test of job performance All three movies in the sequel trilogy performed well, and so did Rogue One, and all the D+ Star Wars shows have been mostly well-received and have been successful. Mostly. Solo is the only Star Wars thing she's produced that's been a complete and utter failure and she has enough history of success in the film industry that I doubt they fire her for a single huge failure, y'know? Plus the 'fanbase' dislikes her enough that if they ever DO need a scapegoat to take a huge fall, she's right there. 
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Omnomnomnivore posted:We obviously need Mobius to meet Morbius. Well then that means the movie will be given an R.
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Vandar posted:All three movies in the sequel trilogy performed well, and so did Rogue One, and all the D+ Star Wars shows have been mostly well-received and have been successful. Mostly. Solo is the only Star Wars thing she's produced that's been a complete and utter failure and she has enough history of success in the film industry that I doubt they fire her for a single huge failure, y'know? It’s not a single failure (though the serious missteps with the ST don’t help), it’s all the film projects that have fallen through, particularly Rogue Squadron after the very splashy announcement for it in late 2020. Going six years without a theatrically released Star Wars film (there’s an unrevealed one currently dated for holiday 2025) should be pretty embarrassing. There was a point where that could maybe have been justified with “oh, they’re just trying to get the next Star Wars film right after RoS,” but eventually, the continuing pattern starts to look more like Kennedy just being bad at her job and being unable to productively work with filmmakers. anyway, rumor has it that they’re announcing three new Star Wars films at Celebration next month; maybe at least one of them will see the light of day this time.
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THR has a new report on the Victoria Alonso firing: short version, the immediate cause was her producing and promoting Argentina, 1985 for Amazon, which breached a non-compete clause in her contract at Disney. The VFX pipeline issues do seem to have at least been a secondary factor, though. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-victoria-alonso-fired-argentina-1985-1235360231/
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Mar 24, 2023 23:57
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New report on the Alonso firing from Variety, which corroborates most of what the THR report says re:Argentina, 1985 but adds the Alonso team’s denials and accusations of Disney retaliating against her over the DeSantis shitshow. Messy, to say the least. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/victoria-alonso-fired-marvel-argentina-1985-1235564419/ quote:In a statement to Variety, attorney Patty Glaser, who is representing Alonso in her departure from Disney, instead claims that the executive was “silenced” by Disney, and that she had the studio’s “blessing” to work on “Argentina, 1985.”
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Mar 25, 2023 00:47
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It’d be very on the nose if Disney fired her for making a movie about standing up to dictators.
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Barry Convex posted:New report on the Alonso firing from Variety, which corroborates most of what the THR report says re:Argentina, 1985 but adds the Alonso team’s denials and accusations of Disney retaliating against her over the DeSantis shitshow. Messy, to say the least. Interesting to read her side of it and then remember the earlier news about Feige just letting it happen.
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Capitalism does not reward loyalty.
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Barry Convex posted:THR has a new report on the Victoria Alonso firing: short version, the immediate cause was her producing and promoting Argentina, 1985 for Amazon, which breached a non-compete clause in her contract at Disney. The VFX pipeline issues do seem to have at least been a secondary factor, though. Holy poo poo Disney, if you're going to lie, make it a more believe lie. There's zero chance she went rogue to produce Argentina 1985, and even if she did you're only just now finding out about it? Give me a break.
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man i hate business brain. how the gently caress does what sounds like a historical drama compete with the audience for a marvel movie? I could totally understand if was some indie superhero film, or even an action film in general. Edit:that's what i get for leaving the tab open before replying, Barry's post puts it all into context
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live with fruit posted:It’d be very on the nose if Disney fired her for making a movie about standing up to dictators. Looks like the main thing was: - She started working with another studio without telling anyone, which was in violation of her contract. - Disney found out, let it go, and grandfathered her in with her new contract, but on the condition that she not to do it again and not to do any additional work on it without asking - including press and awards lobbying. - She went back and started working with Amazon on the press and awards circuit without telling anyone again. - She went to the Oscars repping and doing press for Amazon and Argentina, 1985 instead of Disney and Black Panther. - While she was spending a ton of time working and promoting this other movie for a different studio, the VFX situation she was in charge of at Disney was falling apart. They were getting bad press and bad effects on their movies they invested $600 million into during that period. quote:According to sources, she was reminded of her agreement and her breach several times, but the campaigning continued. She even appeared on the Oscars arrivals carpet not as a Marvel executive associated with that studio’s multi-nominated Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, but rather as Argentina, 1985′s producer, walking with the film’s director, Santiago Mitre. quote:In any case, the VFX industry will be closely watching what follows. Marvel is one of the most lucrative clients for VFX houses because of the scope of its work — its tentpoles regularly have in excess of 2,000 VFX shots, sometimes more than a whopping 3,000 per movie. quote:Sources say that Alonso did not ask permission to work on Argentina, 1985, nor did she give notice. (However, an IndieWire piece published last month on the film stated that she did have permission.) When Disney found out about the project and the violation, her longtime service and veteran status led the company to give her a dispensation on the condition that she not work on the movie further. She was also not to promote it or publicize it in any way. The situation of a top executive working on a movie outside company confines was deemed serious enough to involve the management audit team and a new memo was signed, according to an insider.
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howe_sam posted:Holy poo poo Disney, if you're going to lie, make it a more believe lie. There's zero chance she went rogue to produce Argentina 1985, and even if she did you're only just now finding out about it? Give me a break. I am shocked, SHOCKED to discover that there is gambling in this establishment!
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I'm sure it's more complicated than all of the soundbites combined, but "spoke out against management" definitely sounds like the most plausible
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I don't get the thought process behind violating a contract - something that would get 99% of people fired but getting away with it because you're just that much of a long-time higher-up at the company - having your bosses let it slide on the condition you not do it again, and then...doing it again.
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Yes, let's all shed a tear for the millionaire producer. If you want to use your super-high-level, high-profile job as a bully pulpit, you'd best be doing a good job at it.
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Blockhouse posted:I don't get the thought process behind violating a contract - something that would get 99% of people fired but getting away with it because you're just that much of a long-time higher-up at the company - having your bosses let it slide on the condition you not do it again, and then...doing it again. She helped get a movie made about a chapter in her country's history and it received one of the highest honors in her industry. The logic in choosing Argentina 1985 over Marvel, if that's what she did, seems obvious.
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This seems to be the first look at her character in Joker 2 https://twitter.com/popbase/status/1639621240225779717?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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Omnomnomnivore posted:We obviously need Mobius to meet Morbius. You and I could do a lot of good Still can't believe that was a piece of dialogue in a released movie
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[quote "The Hollywood Reporter posted"] But other sources say that being vocal had only increased Alonso’s profile within the company. She was asked to represent the company on the board of GLAAD, joined the company’s Pride 365 leadership team and made a deal with the company’s publishing division to write a memoir. [/quote] The fact her activism was rewarded with a memoir deal at Disney itself tells me the Desantis stuff has nothing to do with this. Also, Chapek is longish gone too.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This seems to be the first look at her character in Joker 2 That looks really bad and I hope she cycles through different outfits. That's probably one of the most subdued outfits I've ever seen her in. Maybe it works better in motion.
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I think it looks fantastic and uses the diamond motif in a nice subtle way, going from the blouse to the jacket to the leggings More importantly, I think it fits the general aesthetic of the first movie while still having strong notes of the character But then, grain of salt, I would submit myself to many dark rituals in Gaga's name so I'm definitely biased
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FlamingLiberal posted:This seems to be the first look at her character in Joker 2 https://twitter.com/ThatBmanGuy/status/1639626497743888384
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site posted:I'll wait for not tmz to confirm but sure doesn't sound great! it’s been confirmed by the various Hollywood trades, unfortunately https://twitter.com/thr/status/1639780000931934208?s=46&t=vHCQymUfA8QgltN6y1_sjA
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