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CuddleCryptid posted:
I see the same thing in the houses I grew up in. My stepmom/dad and stepdad/mom both live in the same town, in different neighborhoods for 30-40 years. One neighborhood has more people moving in/out because it is right next to an elementary school so kids can walk to school and back, the other is far enough away that elementary school kids need to be driven/get the school bus (I mean, maybe some could but second graders walking a half hour to school isn't common here) so there has been less change. One stays younger, one just gets older and older, at least from my perspective.
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:31 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:03 |
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From what I'm seeing, Hale was not a transgender woman, he was a transgender man. Audrey Hale was his deadname, and he's been incorrectly (/ideologically) misidentified as a woman. I mean, rest in piss, child murderer scum, but it's disappointing to see this kind of stuff getting screwed up... Source: The Independent posted:The woman who killed six people, including three children, at a Christian elementary school in Nashville, Tennessee has been identified as Audrey Elizabeth Hale.
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:44 |
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So you know, if you were feeling a little bummed out about women getting in the mass shooting game, that's a bit of good news, I guess?????
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:47 |
I'd say that that particular angle should be treated with skepticism til there are more details. There have already been fake posts about the shooter being trans from the first second the shooting hit the news.
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:49 |
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Never trust the police's narrative. Don't make me tap the sign.
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:52 |
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They do it every time. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnst...as-transgender/
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 23:55 |
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Zophar posted:Never trust the police's narrative. Don't make me tap the sign. Police lie, don't believe anything for at least 24 hours.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:05 |
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I'm also not about to listen to a single word the British press has to say on the subject.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:22 |
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Yeah sorry to have presented that as authoritative. Definitely prudent to wait for more information. It's already been faked once before, and, yeah, it's the UK press, so any anti-trans angle will be fervently pursued.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:28 |
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You're fine, it's going to be blamed on trans people by the usual suspects anyway. In other news, since this thread brought it up I've heard two people independent of anything else bring up pickleball today. Big Pickleball has finally made its move.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:37 |
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I really wish that for all mass shootings, they didn't give any attention at all to the shooter. Just simply refer to them as "the shooter" and focus on the victims. Keep track of all the other info for research purposes, but don't present them to the general public. Mass shootings happen because someone wants to make a statement (and maybe sbc), and the news broadcasting who they were, speculating on why they did it, transcribing their manifesto in whole if there is one, and generally giving all the attention to the killer instead of the victims and survivors (both at the shooting, and the victims' families). Mostly all we hear about the victims is statistics and that "the community is healing."
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:37 |
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Velocity Raptor posted:I really wish that for all mass shootings, they didn't give any attention at all to the shooter. Just simply refer to them as "the shooter" and focus on the victims. Keep track of all the other info for research purposes, but don't present them to the general public.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:41 |
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who cares about what's good for everyone man, look at the ratings!!!!!!!!
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:59 |
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The Times and Daily Beast have quotes from friends and family that cement that the shooter is AFAB. Anyway, Conservatives still think the nightclub shooter is an enby although he apparently dropped that once it was clear he was still facing hate crime charges. So any new information won't matter much. Damage is done.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 01:11 |
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Kalit posted:
Complicating this:
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 01:45 |
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Yeah, like some people still think Pulse was an anti-gay attack. We should try not to form narratives until the facts are confirmed.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 01:47 |
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Lester Holt and NBC just went out of there way twice to mention that today's school shooter was "Trans" and even asked the Nashville Police Chief if that had anything to do with it.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 01:49 |
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NYT is reporting that the shooter was known as a woman in college in 2016, is still biologically female, and still legally had their female name from birth. The information about them being transgender is from a LinkedIn profile they had where they list their pronouns as "he/him" and may have gone by a different name with some people. The shooter's father still referred to them as their daughter (although, that doesn't necessarily mean anything because they might not have been out to their father or their father didn't acknowledge it). So, it seems like there is some evidence that they are a trans, but nothing definitive is public right now. It is mostly based on a comment from someone who knew them and their LinkedIn profile. Nothing from the manifesto is public. The police say they are investigating every lead and the manifesto, but don't have any evidence that gender identity was related to the shooting. The shooter also planned to shoot up a second location (that was not made public), but decided against it because there were armed guards. quote:The attacker who fatally shot three children and three staff members at a Nashville school on Monday was identified as a former student at the school who the police said appeared to have written a manifesto about the attack and drawn maps of the campus. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/27/us/nashville-school-shooting-audrey-hale.html
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 02:29 |
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Keyser_Soze posted:Lester Holt and NBC just went out of there way twice to mention that today's school shooter was "Trans" and even asked the Nashville Police Chief if that had anything to do with it. I had the same reaction to hearing that. What a stupid loving question. You wouldn't ask the cops if mass shooting #67309 had anything to do with the shooter being a straight white cis dude, would you? Also I was reminded that just a week or two ago, Tucker Carlson did a segment on the danger of trans people who are arming themselves in self defense. This has the potential to get really ugly.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 02:43 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The shooter also planned to shoot up a second location (that was not made public), but decided against it because there were armed guards. The chuds are gonna latch hard onto this
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 02:52 |
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So if the people that chuds don't like both start arming themselves for self defense and also committing mass shootings I wonder if chuds will change their stance on gun control from 100% against to gun control for only certain types of people.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 02:56 |
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They’ll just switch to supporting universal open carry
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 02:57 |
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Charliegrs posted:So if the people that chuds don't like both start arming themselves for self defense and also committing mass shootings I wonder if chuds will change their stance on gun control from 100% against to gun control for only certain types of people. That was a solution for a different era of conservatism and died when Reagan forgot who he was. The most you can say today is that they'll lean harder into making sure that certain types of people are too afraid to be executed by police to carry a gun, which requires no actual gun control laws.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:00 |
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Charliegrs posted:So if the people that chuds don't like both start arming themselves for self defense and also committing mass shootings I wonder if chuds will change their stance on gun control from 100% against to gun control for only certain types of people. Support for gun ownership has always been highly conditional, most take their cue from Dubbya and the more right-leaning of Dems and file it away as "they're basically terrorists and so don't count as citizens because they hate are freedoms so shouldn't get are freedoms" Conservatism in general precludes any universality, without exception. It's never had a theoretical basis or proponents within the movement.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:02 |
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i would just expect them to lean heavier on stand-your-ground, castle-doctrine, and especially trans panic laws
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:03 |
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Elizabeth Warren ANNOUNCES senate re election bid! https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/senator-elizabeth-warren-massachusetts-reelection/
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Charliegrs posted:So if the people that chuds don't like both start arming themselves for self defense and also committing mass shootings I wonder if chuds will change their stance on gun control from 100% against to gun control for only certain types of people. That's already their stance. The GOP's been increasingly determined to portray gun violence as a mental health issue rather than a gun availability issue, and there's plenty of them who regard "being trans" as a mental health issue. I'm sure they'd eagerly connect those two together and sign a bill banning gun ownership by trans people, while also using the mass shootings as an excuse to crack down even further on trans people in general. Not that they need to pass a law saying that explicitly. After all, minorities are already disproportionately disenfranchised of their 2nd Amendment rights, because they're disproportionately likely to be convicted of a felony (which renders it illegal for them to possess a firearm).
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:16 |
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Main Paineframe posted:That's already their stance. The GOP's been increasingly determined to portray gun violence as a mental health issue rather than a gun availability issue, and there's plenty of them who regard "being trans" as a mental health issue. I'm sure they'd eagerly connect those two together and sign a bill banning gun ownership by trans people, while also using the mass shootings as an excuse to crack down even further on trans people in general. The modern right tends to push really hard on anything that makes it easier to take away guns (especially long term) over mental health issues, largely due to anxiety about the idea of doctors saying someone is mentally ill because they like guns. Or are a God-fearing Christian patriot, or whatever the liberal psychology professor would swear to the activist judge in the Facebook post. Similarly, even though leaving gun permits up to the judgement of the county sheriff is historically just a way to keep poor people and minorities unarmed, white conservative gun owners are acutely aware that may-issue laws can be used against them too and have vigorously and successfully worked to get them overturned even in places where they don't need to worry about that. The only time this century I recall anyone pushing to make gun ownership more conditional by law was the push to extend the no-fly list to guns, and that was not particularly a right-wing proposal. Seriously, those strategies are a relic of an era where the right thought guns that weren't woodgrain longarms or cowboy revolvers meant you were some kind of commie agitator.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:35 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:, is still biologically female
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:41 |
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:I'm really afraid for the anti-Trans backlash that will come from this How could it be worse than it already is? I mean, it can easily be worse, but we were going there anyway because trans people are convenient targets. Before this, they were using drag shows as justification. I think the difference this makes in the long run will be marginal. It’s not like a single school shooting can be a Reichstag fire event in a country with hundreds of mass shooting a year. And our nazis are already in power and doing whatever they want right now.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:43 |
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Main Paineframe posted:That's already their stance. The GOP's been increasingly determined to portray gun violence as a mental health issue rather than a gun availability issue, and there's plenty of them who regard "being trans" as a mental health issue. I'm sure they'd eagerly connect those two together and sign a bill banning gun ownership by trans people, while also using the mass shootings as an excuse to crack down even further on trans people in general. The problem is they have to push that bill through the Senate and it's very likely, given Democrat control, any Republican gun control on "mental illness" will have that definition expanded to include legitimate red flags that the Dems want in such a gun control policy, like backgrounds in domestic violence and antisocial behavior. It would likely just bounce around Congress until it dies. I know MTG and the Freedom Fryers would not want her name attached as sponsor to something that becomes the AWB 2.0, even if it hurts trans people.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:46 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:Hon, this is kind of a nonsense phrase. Those who medically transition can take on secondary sexual characteristics like a deeper voice, facial hair, flatter chest, more muscle mass, etc, but also still having other secondary characteristics like a uterus, vulva, occasional period, etc. The phrase that matches best the idea you're trying to express is "they have not medically transitioned" which is honestly neither here nor there in the matter. Right, I was just repeating what the NYT was saying in regards to evidence of them being transgender. The NYT says there "is confusion" about their gender identity and listed the various things that may have pointed to it and the various things that may not. So far, the only actual evidence is the LinkedIn profile and people are just going off of that.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:57 |
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If the right wanted to frame gun violence as a mental health issue, that would be awesome. Perhaps they could advocate for access to affordable mental healthcare for everyone, rather than a luxury industry that people get to self-select for and pay for themselves. I think what makes the right even more monstrous is that not only do they not care that gun ownership is a major factor, but they clearly have no interest in addressing the mental health issues they claim are the root causes of the problem. It's a position that seems to say, 'we acknowledge that some people are disturbed enough to kill people but we are completely ambivalent about stopping that.' And implies, 'people who have mental health issues should be found and eradicated before they can strike' or perhaps a more nihilistic and lazy, 'poo poo happens.'
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:10 |
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They’re not ambivalent about it. They like the mass shootings because they create opportunities to further their policy goals. Look for a big push toward armed private security in all public places. Even if that fails, every school shooting erodes confidence in the idea of public education—even though this happened at a private school.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:15 |
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You all really gotta hammer it into your heads and those around you that hypocrisy is not a problem for the right, it's a solution to problems. They love doing it and they love how it makes liberals waste their time and effort and money trying to appeal to principles they don't actually have, only advertise the appearance of having.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:16 |
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Nashville PD just released video of the shooter, the school, their car, and how they broke into the school. They also confirmed that the three children that died were all 9 years old and one of them was the head of the school's daughter. Still no info about the manifesto or motive. All three of the guns were legally purchased in Tennessee recently. https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640507254611795968 https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640521034594918400 https://twitter.com/MNPDNashville/status/1640545519511404546
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:27 |
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As far as the linked in profile thing, its really weak. If you were really struggling to get a career off the ground, to the point where its actually worsening your mental health, you might try some desperate crap. Male profiles just get better hits on linked-in from male recruiters. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/linkedin-study-reveals-why-men-are-more-likely-to-get-noticed-by-job-recruiters-than-women.html I don't think its a strong indicator, and I don't think we're ever likely to get decently credible confirmation about it.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:46 |
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The Mayor just said that the shooter was waiting on the second floor for the police and shot at them from a window when they arrived at the scene. Body cam footage will be released tomorrow. The police chief also said that based on their writings "resentment about being sent to this school" may have played a role in it being chosen as one of their targets. The shooter was not targeting specific people, though. They fired randomly at whoever they came into contact with. The three adult victims were a 61-year old male janitor, a 60-year old woman who was the head of the school, and a "caretaker" assigned to students with special needs. The shooter was dead 14 minutes after the 911 call was made and 3 minutes after police arrived. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tw_ma#rcrd11683
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:52 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Nashville PD just released video of the shooter, the school, their car, and how they broke into the school. Anybody recognize the symbols drawn onto those guns? I remember that nazbol shooter a few years ago did something similar. The taped-on vinyl sticker and Kirby decal on the car say we’re dealing with a pathetic nerd. That x with the circle around it looks like christian identity poo poo, but I don’t really know what I’m talking about there.
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# ? May 25, 2024 14:03 |
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One of them resembles a wheel or white cross which could be a white supremacist image but unfortunately is so ubiquitous I'd be hesitant to say so without further information.
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