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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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Kremlin is absolutely in no rush to occupy all of Ukraine, which is why they've been letting Donetsk get shelled for 9 years now. Today a particularly brutal picture came out of the consequences of that. So yeah they're not rushing to do something they have to but don't want to. And killing everyone willing to hold a gun now might seem like a good idea before moving on to the more difficult task of rebuilding and administrating new territories.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:08
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I mean Russia happens to have a lot of room to spare.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:09
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CODChimera posted:leopards 2 are in Ukraine. at least 18 of them I hear an even larger number may have been spotted 
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Mar 28, 2023 17:14
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has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:27
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Al-Saqr posted:has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first. Syria went pretty smoothly in all honesty.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:29
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wars in general are kind of chaotic
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Mar 28, 2023 17:33
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euphronius posted:wars in general are kind of chaotic Yeah, it is why most that go “smoothly” are some type of colonial intervention where it is pretty much hopeless for the other side. (And yeah Syria was that sort of intervention even if it was on a tight budget) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 17:39 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Mar 28, 2023 17:37
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Al-Saqr posted:has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first. Georgian War went pretty well too. And that previous war where they captured Crimea.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:38
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Do both of the belligerents get a say in how poo poo goes down? If yes, the war will be a massive gently caress up
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Mar 28, 2023 17:43
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cool so we're at the "government is pepper-spraying clergy" stage of the war
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Mar 28, 2023 17:49
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Ardennes posted:Also to be honest, if the Russians did a big offensive and took Kiev, would the war end? Probably not If they had Kiev, they could give it back in exchange for ceding Crimea.
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Mar 28, 2023 17:51
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Vomik posted:🇪🇪 eesti 
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Mar 28, 2023 17:53
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tazjin posted:cool so we're at the "government is pepper-spraying clergy" stage of the war Donrf posted:Опять пошли видосы с церквями на Украине. Один с сложенным храмом, второй с распыьенным газовым баллончиком. Разочарую - такое творится 30 лет. Начал это не Зеленский, а Кравчук. Просто всем до времени было удобно не замечать. Русский священник которому на Волыни распылили газ в лицо и вытащили с храма за бороду в 2002 году не вписывался в вставание с колен. Так же как сожженый деревянный храм в 2005 quote:There are more videos of churches in Ukraine. One with a folded church, the other with a spray can. Disappointing - this has been going on for 30 years. Kravchuk, not Zelensky, started it. It was simply convenient for all to ignore. A Russian priest, who was sprayed with gas in his face and dragged from the church by his beard in Volyn in 2002, did not fit in with the idea of an uprising. Just like the burned wooden temple in 2005
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Mar 28, 2023 17:53
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Look we all know that ethnic cleansing is no good but sometimes we just need shrug and accept that its innevitable
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Mar 28, 2023 18:06
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ethnic cleansing is kinda like pointer arithmetic in that way
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Mar 28, 2023 18:09
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His argument this whole time is that the Church cooperated with the Kyiv government despite it being obvious that this is where they would end up. The whole first the came for the communists, and then they came for me sorta deal. The ongoing process of slowly weeding out eastern Russian influence from the territory of Ukraine that eventually exploded into militias fighting each other in 2014, and all out war in 2022. Edit: also that guy is one of the militias from 2014. So his solution is to just kill them before they kill you.
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Mar 28, 2023 18:11
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Mar 28, 2023 18:15
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Ardennes posted:I think the problem is assuming for example that taking Paris would end the war for the Germans, and it all honesty probably wouldn’t and I don’t think the Russians could brute force a victory without a bunch of casualties and a fair amount of public outcry. Since the retreat from Kiev, the justification for continuing the war and arming/underwriting the Ukrainian state was that Russia was a crumbling paper tiger who could be completely evicted from Ukrainian territory. Even if the military professionals knew that that wasn't a realistic goal it's a much more palatable narrative for the public and politicians than "we want to drag this out for as long as possible and we don't care how many people die." If Russia started advancing again continued Western support would look increasingly like throwing good money after bad, not to mention the potential loss of confidence among Ukrainians themselves.
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Mar 28, 2023 18:16
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Not so different after all... https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1640758268883599368
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Mar 28, 2023 18:17
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sum posted:Since the retreat from Kiev, the justification for continuing the war and arming/underwriting the Ukrainian state was that Russia was a crumbling paper tiger who could be completely evicted from Ukrainian territory. Even if the military professionals knew that that wasn't a realistic goal it's a much more palatable narrative for the public and politicians than "we want to drag this out for as long as possible and we don't care how many people die." If Russia started advancing again continued Western support would look increasingly like throwing good money after bad, not to mention the potential loss of confidence among Ukrainians themselves. I doubt the West would just give up at that point if the Ukrainians had any fight in them at all, if anything there would be more pressure to keep on pushing more arms in. I think the Russian are pushing a strategy that at a certain point there simply nothing to be done by simply killing anyone willing to fight for Ukraine. That is also why the end of the war is unpredictable since we don’t really know how many bodies the Ukrainians have left or other X factors. I think the thing that would get the Russians moving is if the West was going to actively send forces in.
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Mar 28, 2023 18:25
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Ardennes posted:Kutuzov took a massive amount of poo poo for his “cowardly” way of doing things, war is about being brave and cool not winning. Ask Quintus Fabius Maximus about that. Dude must be in contention for biggest "I loving told you so" of all time. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 18:29 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Mar 28, 2023 18:26
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I don’t think Biden is going to send troops as long as Russia keeps its gains slow and incremental
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Mar 28, 2023 18:26
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Al-Saqr posted:has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first. Manchuria offensive. Potentially the largest clowning in warfare.
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Mar 28, 2023 18:27
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There is a good chance trump is president in ~2 years which would change everything
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Mar 28, 2023 18:27
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Lostconfused posted:
This is generally the only solution to Nazis admittedly The furodomor
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Mar 28, 2023 18:28
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Ardennes posted:Arguably, Kremlinology developed not necessarily because it was that hard to find the information as whole but it was difficult sitting in DC. You needed someone to divine what the mystical bones said because it was preferable to absolutely zero information. kremlinology developed mainly because the us was (and is) incapable of seeing its geopolitical adversaries as fellow rational human beings so they needed some kind of framework to pretend that everybody else was some inscrutable alien and also because of the thinktank grifting opportunities, of course Al-Saqr posted:has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first. 
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Mar 28, 2023 18:42
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Cerebral Bore posted:kremlinology developed mainly because the us was (and is) incapable of seeing its geopolitical adversaries as fellow rational human beings so they needed some kind of framework to pretend that everybody else was some inscrutable alien A lot of that is just genuine ignorance though, it is a one eyed king situation (in this case that eye was also very nearsighted.
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Mar 28, 2023 19:22
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Triggering a Hundred Days collapse of the Ukrainian Army and state is a boring and slow strategy, but one that disarms the west of most of their available responses. Javelins don’t matter if Ukrainian soldiers are shelled without ever seeing a tank, the same applies to almost all material aid, intelligence and training. Also, the West has admitted they can’t provide Ukraine with the guns and shells that would jeopardize that plan. On top of that, the Ukrainians can mobilize whoever they like, but if they don’t have guns to crew and ammo to shoot, it’s irrelevant. I think there are better approaches, but not within the framework the Russians have confined themselves to. They may as well destroy Ukrainian manpower and western money and hardware in the way most advantageous to them, at the lowest cost.
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Mar 28, 2023 19:30
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Ardennes posted:A lot of that is just genuine ignorance though well yes, we are talking about americans here
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Mar 28, 2023 19:31
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Cerebral Bore posted:well yes, we are talking about americans here It is also why dudes who could cultivate even rudimentary language skills were in a class of their own. That said, I doubt we will even see a minimal attempt at rigor; we are in full press release at this point. That said, it isn’t such a surprise, it is just the demands from think tanks and reality will just diverge ever further. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 13:22 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Mar 28, 2023 19:56
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Ardennes posted:It is also why dudes who could cultivate even rudimentary language skills were in a class if their own. That said, I doubt we will even see a minimal attempt at rigor; we are in full press release at this point. Think tanks were always sinecures, they exist so certain people can keep being paid. They don't exist to solve problems.
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Mar 28, 2023 20:03
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Think tanks were always sinecures, they exist so certain people can keep being paid. They don't exist to solve problems. I suppose there are layers of ideology built into it. Someone in the Doomsday Econ thread made this point about consultancy firms. They exist to provide an "impartial" justification for whatever the government was ideologically inclined to do anyway. It's why they're all hawkish. You can always point to a think tank saying there's a clear and present danger unless the state does XYZ, and then the government isn't the one falsifying information or whatever, it's been laundered through this group. A lot of the lead-up to the Iraq War went down that way.
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Mar 28, 2023 20:09
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Think tanks were always sinecures, they exist so certain people can keep being paid. They don't exist to solve problems. Hmmm they were doing better work during the Cold War, it was still what the beltway wanted to hear but it was at least tempered by data. Rand actually did some real research at one point.
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Mar 28, 2023 20:11
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Frosted Flake posted:Triggering a Hundred Days collapse of the Ukrainian Army and state is a boring and slow strategy, but one that disarms the west of most of their available responses. Javelins don’t matter if Ukrainian soldiers are shelled without ever seeing a tank, the same applies to almost all material aid, intelligence and training. Also, the West has admitted they can’t provide Ukraine with the guns and shells that would jeopardize that plan. On top of that, the Ukrainians can mobilize whoever they like, but if they don’t have guns to crew and ammo to shoot, it’s irrelevant. I have a question related to artillery. What happens with all those spent artillery barrels that must accumulate in a conflict like this. Are they somehow fixed up, melted down or is there a fancy scrap-metal palisade being built in a fortification somewhere?
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Mar 28, 2023 20:20
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they are saved up to use as big metal clubs for the ork Gargants
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Mar 28, 2023 20:30
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Zudgemud posted:I have a question related to artillery. What happens with all those spent artillery barrels that must accumulate in a conflict like this. Are they somehow fixed up, melted down or is there a fancy scrap-metal palisade being built in a fortification somewhere? They can be relined or rebored. Depending on the level of refurbishment, that can be a workshop level repair or, lol contractors also like when guns are sent to them, which I guess is factory level. They can be pretty extensive, for example we sent M109s and C1 (WW2 era 105mm guns) to the Dutch firm RDM Technology, who practically rebuilt them, increased their length significantly, added muzzle brakes. That was worthwhile though and more than what we're talking about here which is typically restoring the rifling. The problem with talking about all of this is that it kind of dovetails with a theme in Ardenne's posts which is what a state would typically do before say 2008 or 1991, and what they do now aren't necessarily the same thing, because not only do states not make the guns themselves anymore, but contractors have been inserted into so many of the processes that you might have a maintenance cycle that's not ideal from a gunnery point of view but very profitable. All of that being said, every liner and barrel has a lifespan, and of course you keep a daily log of your own guns' use, barrel wear and recorded MV (where you can safely operate the Doppler radars), and after that the first step of intervention is new liner, then rebore, then rebuilt, worst case scrapped. The metal used to produce guns is valuable so I imagine they're melted down and used for other purposes that require steel of that specification.
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Mar 28, 2023 20:33
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Al-Saqr posted:has there ever been any conflict Russia's ever been involved in where everything went great for them from start to finish and they accomplished their goals perfectly without shooting every bullet they have into their feet first. Not really, and we still ended up with Alexander Suvorov, one of histories undefeated generals
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https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1640774117858181122?s=20
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Mar 28, 2023 21:17
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2 contre? jesus christ
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Cuttlefush posted:2 contre? jesus christ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFerR81Pes
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