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Has anyone said The Dread Fuckwit Roberts yet? He's making Squadron 5404, the new game dev larping travelling circus shell company simulator. Experimental Skin fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Aqua Seafoam Shame posted:Also what the gently caress is these people's obsession with loading screens? Like he thinks a lack of loading screens is as significant an innovation as sound in film? What the gently caress? Yeah loading screens are basically trivial these days with PCIE SSDs everywhere, even in consoles. But it goes back to the all encompassing space life simulator dream at the heart of Star Citizen. The game world has to be completely skeuomorphic, even if it makes the experience aggressively boring or perform like crap on even the highest end rigs. So anything from 8k textures on a coffee maker to physicalized elevators are all important steps towards the Matrix that SC is sure to become someday.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 08:46 |
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Anyone remember when that one Citizen proposed CIG simply invent quantum computing when told of the limitations of current chip architecture or something like that? No, seriously, I seem to have vague memories of that, but now I'm wondering if I'm Mandela-effecting myself or if it actually happened. It also doesn't help that my knowledge of computers extends to 'press butan get fun!1!'.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 11:34 |
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I wish I could find the original "layer in the fidelity" quote. I'm 99.999% certain that was a CI
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 11:36 |
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I've added like 160 GB of 4k texture mods to my FFXIV install because I'm an idiot but it still loads most zones in about 5 seconds. That is slow as hell comparatively but also leagues better than the original Mass Effect elevator loads. Loading screens have been pretty irrelevant since at least the release of the latest console generation and since PCs have had PCIe SSDs.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 13:49 |
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CommissarMega posted:Anyone remember when that one Citizen proposed CIG simply invent quantum computing when told of the limitations of current chip architecture or something like that? No, seriously, I seem to have vague memories of that, but now I'm wondering if I'm Mandela-effecting myself or if it actually happened. It also doesn't help that my knowledge of computers extends to 'press butan get fun!1!'. Iirc they were suggesting octal logic where every bit had 8 possible states instead of just 2.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 13:58 |
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Optane came and went in the time this shitshow has been happening. How's that for loading screens?
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 14:30 |
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Breetai posted:Iirc they were suggesting octal logic where every bit had 8 possible states instead of just 2. Yeah, the 23 = 8 thing rings a bell. I am also faintly recalling that was the origin of the passive-aggressive "Sorry for caring" signoff when the idiot retired from the discussion, defeated. But, then again, they're all as insufferable as each other so it's just blurred together into mush.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 14:31 |
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Breetai posted:Iirc they were suggesting octal logic where every bit had 8 possible states instead of just 2. This definitely happened and I feel like they drew little ascii diagrams for it and everything
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orcane posted:I wish I could find the original "layer in the fidelity" quote. I'm 99.999% certain that was a CI Sometime in 2017 on spectrum? https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/61fegn/star_citizen_jobs_cargo/ Thanks Daztek! Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Sometime in 2017 on spectrum?
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Only Kindness posted:Yeah, the 23 = 8 thing rings a bell. I am also faintly recalling that was the origin of the passive-aggressive "Sorry for caring" signoff when the idiot retired from the discussion, defeated. But, then again, they're all as insufferable as each other so it's just blurred together into mush. Not using the bit system. Kills information bottlenecks? posted:A bit looks like this quote:An Octal value would require three bits. How would using that speed anything up? OP posted:Cause 3 bits can now mean 8 things instead of 6. OP posted:Yes. And you just told me that 3 bits can be made into octa blocks. OP posted:The thought of using different wave freq in glass viber to send different kind of bits had occured to me. I did not know we already did that.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 16:58 |
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Mirificus posted:Trying to help here.... Sorry for caring. I remember this from the past but it got me again. Beautiful words.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:02 |
I just love the idea that you could fool a computer into breaking it's physical limitations with an accounting trick.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:10 |
"Just reinvent computing from the ground up" sounds about right for the level of delusion happening with Citizens.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:27 |
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Popete posted:I just love the idea that you could fool a computer into breaking it's physical limitations with an accounting trick. Computing is just being held back by Big Physics
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Isn't there a specific reason computers use binary at the core of what they do? Isn't what he's wanting requiring building something so fundamentally different that it wouldn't be recognizable as a computer? Otherwise isn't that still just bits but with extra steps?
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Randalor posted:Isn't there a specific reason computers use binary at the core of what they do? Isn't what he's wanting requiring building something so fundamentally different that it wouldn't be recognizable as a computer? Otherwise isn't that still just bits but with extra steps? Yes, he's trying to be smarter than 70+ years' worth of engineers and scientists by making ASCII pictures on the internet.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 18:21 |
Because 1s and 0s in a computer are just defined voltage levels that transistors operate on. The fundamental component of a CPU is the transistor which you can think of really as a gate with 0 being closed and 1 being on, there isn't really a definition for a 3rd state that works with that logic. I know there were ternary computers in the past but they never really took off likely because they were far more complicated than binary computers and software would not be compatible between the two.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 18:23 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOn_ySghN2Y
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 18:44 |
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I love the underlying implication that as long as we are able to build an entirely different kind of computer that transcends the limits of binary and does calculations in such a fundamentally different way that it will take decades or more to wrap our heads around it, that Chris loving Roberts would be the one to spearhead the development and really show us what this imaginary computer can do. He's that far ahead. Or, and stay with me here, he's a loving fraud with lovely ideas that are so goddamned stupid that we have to invent a theoretical reality in which they would be feasible.
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Scruffpuff posted:I love the underlying implication that as long as we are able to build an entirely different kind of computer that transcends the limits of binary and does calculations in such a fundamentally different way that it will take decades or more to wrap our heads around it, that Chris loving Roberts would be the one to spearhead the development and really show us what this imaginary computer can do. The thing is, we already had those computers. That's how they got started. They're not around any more outside of academic experimentation or use cases where we don't consider them computers in the modern sense any more. And more to the point, going base 8 rather than base 2 doesn't transcend binary because binary can already handle that. The hypothetical gain of squeezing the equivalent of 3 bits into 1 also means an efficiency loss in having to encode small values the other way, and binary true/false states are still going to be central in any kind of logic you need to control your system. Additionally, you need to error check that you're really reading (and writing) the correct ⅓-state to a higher degree. On/off is as easy as it gets and we're already getting into situations where it's tricky to distinguish the two — cramming 6 more in there runs the risk of being slower and less efficient because you have to be far more careful in how you build the darn thing.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 19:33 |
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Maybe we should get the german wizards on top of it, this thread just doesn't get it
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 19:54 |
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What the supporters seem to want from Star Citizen is less like the leap from silent movies to sound and more like... if every set in a movie were built 360 degrees, interconnected in exactly the way the places they represent are, and you're not allowed to fake the passage of time through editing or pretend two characters are in the same place when they're really not, it'd be like Dogme95 only 100x more impractical. Someone might do it once, as a novelty. Aren't computer processors now approaching the limit of just how small we can make them and still register a binary change in voltage? Imagine now having to make them more precise too!
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 20:21 |
Persistent, empty soda cans in the machine code!
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 20:29 |
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ChatGPT as St. Augustine of Hippo posted:As a humble servant of the Lord, I feel compelled to speak out in defense of Star Citizen, a game that has been unjustly criticized by many.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 20:41 |
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Dogme95 was OK I guess, but Dogme98SE was good for a long while. Also I was right about the octet logic guy signoff thing?! WTActualF this is breaking my brain not as bad as a citizen's brain is broken though
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 20:46 |
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Thoatse posted:I never played Bioshock and didn't know anything about it aside from the name but someone recently made a SteamVR environment thing of the beach boardwalk? map and the other night I was wandering around listening to a weird circus organ version of Girls Just Want To Have Fun which was pretty cool and surreal Yeah, that might be the best part of the game. You meet Elizabeth and then crash land there. It's pretty cool.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 22:33 |
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Randalor posted:Isn't there a specific reason computers use binary at the core of what they do? Isn't what he's wanting requiring building something so fundamentally different that it wouldn't be recognizable as a computer? Otherwise isn't that still just bits but with extra steps? Digital = presence or absence of electrons. It doesn't matter how many electrons, which is why the system is so portable and efficient. It's just the presence or absence that matters.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 22:40 |
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Also if they change how computing would work the drat game wouldn't work on everyone's current computer.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 22:40 |
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Chris Roberts is going to revolutionize computing with his 12 year old tech demo, constant supply of special vitamins. army of underpaid Full Sail grads, and fewer programmers than the big lazy AAA studios.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 22:47 |
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I wonder if Star Citizen has ever considered a planned giving strategy. "Put us in your will so even if we you never experience the ultimate fidelity, those of future generations will, thanks to your contributions"
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 23:02 |
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You can’t tell the difference, really.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 23:05 |
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That’s right, someone really said that 3 bits can store only 6 states. Someone who, I’m guessing, has either forgotten or never passed 7th grade pre-algebra.
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Azubah posted:Also if they change how computing would work the drat game wouldn't work on everyone's current computer. No but you see you just need to make a new featyre of the software that makes it change the hardware so it can run the software. That should be a simple thing to program. The software may also need to break causality, but that should be a simple thing to program.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 23:10 |
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https://twitter.com/XeroState/status/1639449933928439810
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# ? Mar 30, 2023 01:05 |
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See!! The sights arent crooked, they just got VR to work so hthe player isnt looking straight down them!
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# ? Mar 30, 2023 02:43 |
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Brendan "PlayerUnknown" Greene hawking an Earth-sized Second Life on the pages of PC Gamer. Listen to him echo the Crobbler here: https://www.pcgamer.com/i-got-to-see-pubg-creator-brendan-greenes-next-project-a-digital-world-the-size-of-a-real-planet/ quote:"I see us having AI helpers in the game," he says. "You [could] have a wood chopper, or a scientist, or a metal worker that you can show where the forest is. And then they go and run back and forth and get you wood. And maybe the more players you get in your civilization or your village, the town grows, the borders grow, you get more AI, this kind of fostering community, right? And I'm trying to see if we can do something like a massive life game mode." Edit: gently caress, there's more: quote:The wildlife simulation Greene is planning sounds as ambitious as everything else. "I want wildlife systems that have meaning. If you kill all the bears off in one region, there's gonna be a problem that you might have a deer explosion, this kind of dynamic system. I want a living, breathing world." Aqua Seafoam Shame fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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That reads like a guy who has no idea what kind of game he wants to make but his team got a tech demo for world generation working so the possibilities are endless, please somebody be excited for this.
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# ? Mar 30, 2023 04:53 |
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I'm glad to see in the years I've been gone star citizen has made the same amount of progress as I have in life. None.
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