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Tree Reformat posted:i do like the point at the end that all this "what is art? when does a tool destroy art's soul?" discussions irrelevant compared to the class implications, tho, lol the real creepy stuff with big implications is always less fun to talk about generally, but i liked this article just for general thoughts on what we already know sucks about big tech wundertoys and western chauvinism: https://twitter.com/babiejenks/status/1640128972800557056
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Only the type of art that I Specifically Do is real art, everything else is clearly varying shades of [fill in appropriate reason it's not art here]
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pigz posted:Photography, video etc are not limited by this. Point a camera at a dog and you get a dog back. "Ceci n'est pas un chien" a photo of a dog isn't a dog, nor does a photo of a dog resemble what a human eye at the same spot perceived. there are many choices that a photographer makes in capturing and developing an image: instrument, lens, aperture, exposure, iso, film type, exposure length, distance from subject, additional lighting, composition, crop, focus, etc etc etc
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projecthalaxy posted:Nobody in the replies mentioned it and I dont have twitter but I do kinda wonder what beany would say about works by Mondrian or Rothko or say fractal art that is, by any sane definition "real human visual art" but can also be recreated in a few sentences of stripe instructions or one equation. Regardless of how formulaic those works appear, they were the product of human intentionality before the tools to create such a work through formula existed. I'm not sure how the computer's ability to reproduce those works could be compared to the ability to conceive of them, or how the ability to recreate them reduces in any way the artistic merit of the original creation.
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reignonyourparade posted:Only the type of art that I Specifically Do is real art, everything else is clearly varying shades of [fill in appropriate reason it's not art here]
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I think people on both sides of the debate get caught up in the dichotomy of whether it should or should not be considered Real Art when the point they're trying to argue is that it will be either a net positive or net negative for society, which means even if it is unanimously agreed to be art, its impacts are a whole other question altogether and should be examined as such. "It'll be such a good tool for artists" is a weird one because artists are the people who can already make these things. The only benefit is economical and therefore the only people who will benefit are the ones oriented on cutting costs and maximizing profits, and these concerns are more corporate than artistic.
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pigz posted:Photography, video etc are not limited by this. Point a camera at a dog and you get a dog back. I agree with you as far as subject, but I think the art and skill in photography and videography is how you capture the subject in the medium. Different photographers can photograph the same dog completely differently. Though, I also remember photographers pointing out that the proliferation of cameraphones has killed appreciation for the art because, for many people, dog in photo = good enough. I think somebody linked an interesting article about that either here or in the Doomsday Econ thread. Probably filters are a part of the dilution of that art form as well. I'm a piss poor photographer so I couldn't tell you how to use different lenses, aperture, focus and film to make art, but I understand that people do.
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If I want to make an indie game, the ability to generate sprites and backgrounds seems very appealing. Maybe I can't claim ownership over those assets specifically, but I don't care about that, it's the game on the whole I want to publish.
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webcams for christ posted:"Ceci n'est pas un chien" Frosted Flake posted:I agree with you as far as subject, but I think the art and skill in photography and videography is how you capture the subject in the medium. Different photographers can photograph the same dog completely differently. Though, I also remember photographers pointing out that the proliferation of cameraphones has killed appreciation for the art because, for many people, dog in photo = good enough. I think somebody linked an interesting article about that either here or in the Doomsday Econ thread. Probably filters are a part of the dilution of that art form as well. Completely agree with both of you. I wasn't suggesting photography isn't art or skillful, only speaking to the limited nature of prompting. Prompts have to agree with the curation of the content and tags used during training or you're going to have a hard time getting what you want.
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Tree Reformat posted:If I want to make an indie game, the ability to generate sprites and backgrounds seems very appealing. Maybe I can't claim ownership over those assets specifically, but I don't care about that, it's the game on the whole I want to publish.  I'm like, semi-creative in that I've never built a habit or craft, but like to dabble, as a dabbler and someone who likes to generate "bulk" of stuff to work with and move around and collage, I really like AI tools, both text and image. I don't think they'll be indispensable tools for real artists who create original images, but they're awesome tools for dabblers who make shitposts or do little projects also I'm deathly curious to read a longer form comparison to generating works in this manner and hip hop music production, like sampling and the general structure/transformation
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musical sampling like you hear in hip hop or electronic music is more analogous to actual Collage (in the literal sense, not metaphorical) than an AI image output imo a musical producer goes crate digging for deep cuts and very consciously chooses a record, selects a very deliberate section, and replays the audio at a specific speed an algorithmically produced composite contains arbitrary fragments that are not being consciously selected, but are rather the likeliest fit to a probabilistic model e: I'll also plug one of my favorite sound collages: Reich's It's Gonna Rain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsd50gJo5q4 webcams for christ has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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eliezer yudkowsky, who has dedicated his life to being scared of AI, wrote an article https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/quote:The moratorium on new large training runs needs to be indefinite and worldwide. There can be no exceptions, including for governments or militaries. If the policy starts with the U.S., then China needs to see that the U.S. is not seeking an advantage but rather trying to prevent a horrifically dangerous technology which can have no true owner and which will kill everyone in the U.S. and in China and on Earth. If I had infinite freedom to write laws, I might carve out a single exception for AIs being trained solely to solve problems in biology and biotechnology, not trained on text from the internet, and not to the level where they start talking or planning; but if that was remotely complicating the issue I would immediately jettison that proposal and say to just shut it all down.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:eliezer yudkowsky, who has dedicated his life to being scared of AI, wrote an article https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/ It's the scheme to unify the world through a common enemy, like Ozymandias in Watchmen. Except the alien tentacle monster is Microsoft Bing.
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ma i married a tuna posted:It's the scheme to unify the world through a common enemy, like Ozymandias in Watchmen. Except the alien tentacle monster is Microsoft Bing.
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Photography is less art than AI art imo. Promptsmiths are doing more creative work than simple cameradonkeys
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That comic is dumb, the central argument is that if you describe it it's not art. Also that second chunk where it shows the guys imagination directly becoming art, that's not how that works at all either. Pretty regularly what you were imagining becomes completely diff by the time it's on the page, the comic is implying a major feature of "real art" is that it doesn't
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webcams for christ posted:musical sampling like you hear in hip hop or electronic music is more analogous to actual Collage (in the literal sense, not metaphorical) than an AI image output imo I think that poo poo tier rappers springboarding to fame off the artists whose work they ripped off are worse than any AI ever could be.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Photography is less art than AI art imo. the art part of photography is deciding when and where to take the shot. that's why a photographer lying camouflaged in a forest pissing his pants to get the perfect shot of an animal is making art and a deer camera isn't: the artistic element emerges from a perception-action cycle that machines don't engage in--and that's the whole point of machines. promptsmiths are making art for the same reason.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:eliezer yudkowsky, who has dedicated his life to being scared of AI, wrote an article https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/ My favorite part of the Yudkowsky faction is they are very insistent that they are very rational smart unlike the xtians, but they're also scared of being tortured in hell for their sins, so they invented roko,'s basilisk to solve this problem
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super sweet best pal posted:I think that poo poo tier rappers springboarding to fame off the artists whose work they ripped off are worse than any AI ever could be. I agree that poo poo Tier art in one medium is shittier than mediocre art in another medium. bit of a tautology though
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the only rule of art is: break all the rules
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Communist Thoughts posted:Photography is less art than AI art imo. Considering the great potential AI has to "democratize" art, they're freely sharing the prompt formulas for anyone to get better at generating images they want, no?
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Futanari Damacy posted:Considering the great potential AI has to "democratize" art, they're freely sharing the prompt formulas for anyone to get better at generating images they want, no? yeah you can just join the midjourney discord and watch people's prompts come in in real time
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Futanari Damacy posted:Considering the great potential AI has to "democratize" art, they're freely sharing the prompt formulas for anyone to get better at generating images they want, no? There were some guys trying to sell prompts when this was all really new but they got laughed out of everywhere they went For the most part everyone shares prompts if you ask.
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BrainDance posted:There were some guys trying to sell prompts when this was all really new but they got laughed out of everywhere they went  Etsy still has a market for stablediffusion prompts, chatgpt prompts, etc
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tag yourself I'm "low in stock"
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I'm trying to imagine a world where the first thing someone would try to do is NOT to gatekeep and monetize the part that makes it accessible
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lmao @ "you don't know how to talk to these computers like I do"
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well if they didn't gatekeep it presumably then everyone would win the lottery and you'd only get like $6 bucks for winning
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more people who can get what they want out of it == more people who will pay money for generation credits if/when you decide to commercialize it stablediffusion has a searchable database of prompts with attached images for presumably the same reason
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projecthalaxy posted:While I'm on the site anyway: I love going through these, it's my favorite thing on the site to scroll through the reviews on "I WILL CURE YOUR CANCER THROUGH ZOOM!" or "MANIFEST AN ANGEL TO PROTECT YOU!"
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:I love going through these, it's my favorite thing on the site to scroll through the reviews on "I WILL CURE YOUR CANCER THROUGH ZOOM!" or "MANIFEST AN ANGEL TO PROTECT YOU!" *I will sense who your main guardian angel and your helper guardian angel, if you have one. I will also sense what you can call on them for, I will tell you any messages they have for you and I will also tell you any angel numbers that are relevant for your path and their meaning. A recent photo of yourself will help me focus, if that's okay. I will send the reading as an Etsy message and pdf file within 24 hours of purchase.* if you have one dog im paying 40 bucks for an archangel pdf i better have one
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projecthalaxy posted:*I will sense who your main guardian angel and your helper guardian angel, if you have one. I will also sense what you can call on them for, I will tell you any messages they have for you and I will also tell you any angel numbers that are relevant for your path and their meaning. A recent photo of yourself will help me focus, if that's okay. I will send the reading as an Etsy message and pdf file within 24 hours of purchase.* "After hours of meditation and prayer, I have determined you have absolutely no one looking out for you in this world or any other. Good Luck."
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Futanari Damacy posted:Considering the great potential AI has to "democratize" art, they're freely sharing the prompt formulas for anyone to get better at generating images they want, no? There’s one subreddit that doesn’t and gets very pissy about it, maybe Stable Diffusion?
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