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Alan Smithee posted:Abrams ERA when https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1a2-tusk.htm
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CainFortea posted:Abrams ERA is just the heat rounds it shoots the t-55 with from 5km away. React to T-55 -> Explosion
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Due the lack of an autoloader, are T-54/55s less explodey than T-72s and the like?
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Mar 30, 2023 03:26
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Ehhh.... depends. Hit a shell internally, its bad times. Autoloader Im not so sure really represents a more likely detonation innately so much as it making detonations that do occur more likely to be catastrophic. Nick Moran went over it, its weird. Leopard 2 front hull ammo racks being hit in Syria responded similarly to T-series ammo carousel explosions iirc. Hull ERA will hopefully help there.
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Looking bad for Challenger as well: https://eurasiantimes.com/upgraded-since-20-years-outdated-british-challenger/Russian Media posted:In 2019, the then-defense secretary, Penny Mordaunt, suggested that Challenger 2s have become obsolete. She noted, “Challenger 2 has been in service without a major upgrade since 1998.” The focus in Britain has since shifted to the Challenger-2 successor, the Challenger-3. There's also a documentary from UK training grounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9-Eghtai3s Turrurrurrurrrrrrr fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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Mar 30, 2023 03:57
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Due the lack of an autoloader, are T-54/55s less explodey than T-72s and the like? I mean, a somewhat modern APFSDS dart is going to rip right through a T-54/55 like a hot knife through butter, their armor is wholly incapable of dealing with a kinetic penetrator. ERA blocks will work against a HEAT round, but APFSDS will drill right into the crew compartment and then catch on fire because DU is pyrophoric, along with spalling from the penetration killing the squishies in the compartment. It doesn't really matter if a T-54/55 will brew up and launch a turret like a 72, because the crew is still dead as gently caress.
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Looking bad for Challenger as well: https://eurasiantimes.com/upgraded-since-20-years-outdated-british-challenger/ Oh no, 25 year old tanks, how ancient. The only thing they're worth using against would be something crazy, like tanks from the 70s. Too bad they won't be facing any of those
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Looking bad for Challenger as well: https://eurasiantimes.com/upgraded-since-20-years-outdated-british-challenger/ Eurasian Times acting as a stooge for Russian propaganda. The only claim in there is that yes; UK MOD sees them dispensable as they are being phased out anyway. As far as their battlefield performance, they are about two generations above Any t55 / t62 upgrade russia is currently sending in. -drunk tankposting - Ignoring blatant Russian propaganda, the basis of all tank design is ”you can only polish a turd so much” - the fundamental design decisions on initial design phase dictate a LOT on what changes the platform can undergo. And unfortunately for all Soviet designs, T-72 (and T-90 as its derivative) met this hard cap about the same time CR2 got introduced. Weight and size dictate that unless russia has literally found either Tiberium for power plant or Adamantine for armor, the newest T90 variants are still suffering either from the same problems (armor scheme, autoloader vulnerability for turret-tossing, gun depression) or have gained a crippling list of new deficiencies (massive power train wear for heavily increased weight to power ratio, reduced ammo capacity due to internal armoring of the autoader in order to incorporate some sort of blowout capability, massive power generation/storage issues for bunch of APS sensors) because laws of physics only bend so much to nanonano-metallurgy and hi-fi-alloys when the eternal armor vs weight vs firepower -conundrum js being solved. this conflict will be very likely what defines the next gen iteration of "the tank" since we have already seen some new solutions being presented, but given russias current issues in obtaining high-tech components all those iterations will likely be NATO / ROK / PRC driven, along with this sealing the fate of T-72 / T-90 as viable export product. Valtonen fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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I'd guess the challengers will end up shooting 99% hesh with only the rare APFSDS shot.
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Power Khan posted:More from that attack on the T-treeline from a few days ago. Another attack makes it right outside the trench, the russians throw grenades into it. The guys are ready to make their last stand and call artillery on their own position. It saves their lives. A tank and an ifv arrive and wipe the floor with the rest of the attackers who try to run. https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1641190807649624065 Similar attack. Not only is the music shittier, but the drone positioning seems worse too. You'd think they'd have at least some mortar or overhead drone coverage
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"Oh hello there BMP. What's up?" better go on the back of at least one of the medals he gets.
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Looking bad for Challenger as well: https://eurasiantimes.com/upgraded-since-20-years-outdated-british-challenger/ As a CR2 commander, it is indeed a little old around the edges but it's a great vehicle, the capabilities of long range hesh engagements seems to fit into Ukrainian tactics of using tanks as artillery, the only downside I see that makes it truly lacking in comparison to M1a2's and Leopard 2 A5 and above is the lack of hunter killer functionality at night which is addressed in the CR3 upgrade. Charm rounds will do some serious damage to the tanks that the russians are putting up against them, what I'm not seeing though is true armoured manoeuvre, jockeying their positions, I'm seeing tanks being used piecemeal little or no infantry or recce screen and driving up obvious tracks but if your going to do that you really need to combat team it.
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Looking bad for Challenger as well: https://eurasiantimes.com/upgraded-since-20-years-outdated-british-challenger/ I'm a little surprised to see an American trainer involved in operating the gunnery simulators. Are they using a repurposed M1 gunnery sim?
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MonkeyLibFront posted:As a CR2 commander, (Without breaking MoD secrecy)
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A.o.D. posted:I'm a little surprised to see an American trainer involved in operating the gunnery simulators. Are they using a repurposed M1 gunnery sim? Contextually, I think it's more likely he's on some kind of exchange program with the British Army where he fills a normal billet in that training unit. That one US trainer pops up a handful of times in the video, and all of his instruction appears to be specific to the Challengers. His instructor tab and UK flag both look like they're taken from a standard British Army uniform rather than US instructor accoutrements. I don't recognize the chest badge, but it's visibly not the standard instructor badge. 
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Pablo Bluth posted:How configurable is the armour on C2 and from publicity shots so far, can you tell what they've been given or if they're without some optional upgrades? The video of the politician hooning about seems to not have the same level of side protection visible in photos from Iraq. You've got the TES variant (Theatre Entry Standard) basically, bar armour around the rear, back of the turret, extra chobham around the sides and front, thermal front and reversing cameras and a loaders RWS station instead of the pintle MG Basically a bit like a British version of the Abrams TUSK system Tes Varient of CR2 It also has a bird table with all the ECM on it. I will say one thing, if they get the chaingun going, that thing is an absolute laser beam for a coax mg up to 1800m obviously you get trace burn out after a while but that thing is 👌 Honestly though it goes up to 72 ton at a full combat load so I'd be very wary of some of the bridges I've seen, that might have been a consideration for the lack of TES, but who knows. A.o.D. posted:I'm a little surprised to see an American trainer involved in operating the gunnery simulators. Are they using a repurposed M1 gunnery sim? So he's on a posting to lulworth, we have an exchange program between here and the US, when I went through my Phase 2 gunner at lulworth I had a yank instructor, the tab is a UK thing for Bovington and lulworth. MonkeyLibFront fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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Wearing the uniform of an allied service or branch isn't unusual- you will often see cross branch stuff in the US (like Navy in Army uniform with Navy Nametape and Army patches), and I've seen it in past pictures from various exercises and things like the Balkans in the 90s. It serves a few purposes- uniformity/authority of instructors and OPSEC the biggest, but could also be coverage for Contractors. E- As a former Professional, drone directed fires scare the gently caress out of me. At least with traditional Forward Observers, you can kill the guy who is expediting hate towards you. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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Mar 30, 2023 13:36
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Arc Light posted:Contextually, I think it's more likely he's on some kind of exchange program with the British Army where he fills a normal billet in that training unit. That one US trainer pops up a handful of times in the video, and all of his instruction appears to be specific to the Challengers. On his other shoulder he has the standard US flag on top and Ukraine patch underneath. I figured he was there because they might be IS training equipment in the gunnery simulation room.
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1641308603855380481 That radar warning receiver is wild.
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Valtonen posted:
Russia will say that it has solved all of these problems with the Armata.
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As a US Armor officer, I ran into multiple British, Australian, and Canadian exchange soldiers in various training and operational billets. Probably some from New Zealand as well somewhere but I never ran into any. My brigade always had a Canadian exchange officer on the brigade staff in the S3 shop doing the same work an American staff officer would be doing.
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A.o.D. posted:On his other shoulder he has the standard US flag on top and Ukraine patch underneath. I figured he was there because they might be IS training equipment in the gunnery simulation room. He's on an exchange, he teaches CR2 gunnery there is a Brit over in the states at the Armour school doing the exact same thing on Abrams. His normal day to day duties include training soldiers from units and sometimes also new recruits, nothing to do with international students.
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How different is the t55 armor from a t72 or t80? At some point just building for thickness must have an upper limit for utility and armor, sloping and angling seems to be pretty well understood even back in the day of the 55. Does it all then just come down to reactive armor, etc.? And if so then would an uparmored 55 be substantially worse than a newer tank?
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One thing that T55 will be vulnerable to is HEAT and HESH, anti spall linings have come a long way, in modern MBT's not so much the T55 I wouldn't waste an APFSDS if I had the time on one.
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That Works posted:How different is the t55 armor from a t72 or t80? Tremendously so. In the event tank vs tank combat happens, I think the T72 and 80 are going to be more resilient than people expect.
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That Works posted:How different is the t55 armor from a t72 or t80? It's a serious difference.   Not a perfect source, but a decent ballpark. The NERA is backwards, basically, because it's tacked on with the T-55 E: and that pocket of high HEAT resistance is the fuel tank E2: And just for giggles, T-90: 
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1641481790798934030 Russian military industrial might strikes again
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How powerful are tank fired shells compared to atgm? There's countless hours of footage of ATGMs taking out Russian tanks of all models/eras but that's a skewed sample as unsuccessful attacks are less likely to be shared; do we have a access to any good studies about the real success rate of ATGMs vs Russian armour?
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Pablo Bluth posted:How powerful are tank fired shells compared to atgm? There's countless hours of footage of ATGMs taking out Russian tanks of all models/eras but that's a skewed sample as unsuccessful attacks are less likely to be shared; do we have a access to any good studies about the real success rate of ATGMs vs Russian armour? ATGMs are 100% HEAT warheads, whereas tank rounds against other tanks are usually kinetic. What this means is that the armor behaves completely differently against one or the other.
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Pablo Bluth posted:How powerful are tank fired shells compared to atgm? There's countless hours of footage of ATGMs taking out Russian tanks of all models/eras but that's a skewed sample as unsuccessful attacks are less likely to be shared; do we have a access to any good studies about the real success rate of ATGMs vs Russian armour? ATGM tend to have a higher success rate for a variety of reasons, biggest factor of all is Top Attack/Directed Shaped Charges, like the TOW2-B and Javelin. They have a statistically lower hit rate (from what little I've seen, which is mostly After Action) because they are often manually controlled in the way in, and while doctrine says fire in volleys, it's less common in modern war, particularly Syria and UKR. They are more easily seen to be countered, and armor counter measures are effective against ATGM/Man Portables not so much against tanks. They make up for a lower hit rate with a higher success rate, because tank vs tank is less common, and comes down to who can get that first shot off and on target. All that said, Tank VS Tank in modern war is one guy goes home, the other tank's corpses get to be the subject of a Pulitzer.
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bulletsponge13 posted:All that said, Tank VS Tank in modern war is one guy goes home, the other tank's corpses get to be the subject of a Pulitzer. 
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Ryan MacBeth on YT has OSINT that Ukraine is fielding the wireless version of the TOW. Poor T55. Thought of TOWs and drowned.
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https://twitter.com/drosha69/status/1641497694744240128 https://twitter.com/drosha69/status/1641500251172524032
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Bro earned every bit of that and more.
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Surprised they didn't issue him rechambered one for 7.62x39. But guess he really wanted the real deal. But yeah, earned every piece of that thing.
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Javelin doing it's job deleting tanks. Some pretty spectacular explosions https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1641497769432035328 Btw, this one is pretty harsh. These always hit very hard in the feels when the places they fight in are almost untouched and identifiable as somebody's home. https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1641233788914003973 Power Khan fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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CommieGIR posted:Surprised they didn't issue him rechambered one for 7.62x39. But guess he really wanted the real deal. There are no combat reliable ×39 or 5.45 ARs- even the most reliable might not be viable- I have little doubt they are using at least some corrosive ammo, which AR/M16 do not like. 5.56 is already in their supply chain- that doesn't mean it's available to him. I wonder what his 'basic' combat load is. One side effect of this is watching militaries suddenly remember what war is like, and seeing practical conversations, like ammo management and realistic movement under fire. If it hasn't already been done, I'm sure there is someone developing a program/app that does all the hard work of call for fire built into the drone operator system.
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CommieGIR posted:Surprised they didn't issue him rechambered one for 7.62x39. But guess he really wanted the real deal. How many of those do you think are around? It would be more surprising if they had. 5.45 would make more sense too over 7.62 because the cartridge dimensions are closer to 5.56 but then still there's really not that many of those guns around. e:f;b
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