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Payndz posted:Prometheus and Covenant are Alien movies, right? I often feel like those movies are more akin to one of the many low-budget Alien ripoffs that were made in the 1980s, like Inseminoid (aka Horror Planet). That movie was full of the dumbest people making the dumbest decisions at every turn. The best example of this from that movie is probably the lady who gets her foot stuck in some scrap metal that's located just outside the airlock to the base. The planet's temperature is below freezing, and she's in a spacesuit. There are other people in the base, exhorting her to hurry up and get inside (instead of, you know, suiting up and going out and helping her). So what does she do? Disconnects her spacesuit's oxygen tube, opens her helmet's visor, jams the oxygen tube in her mouth, and proceeds to freeze to death while also trying to chainsaw her stuck foot off. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly encourage it as part of a "so bad it's (almost) good" movie night. The people in that flick make the crews in Prometheus and Covenant look like absolute geniuses in comparison.
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I want to see a sci-fi horror movie where the astronauts are smart, work as a team of professionals, do everything right and aren't being deliberately sabotaged, but still one by one end up as monster food because the creature is just that nasty. Helmet-removers and egg-looker-intoers need not apply. (I'd forgotten about Inseminoid, but now I remember my reaction to the foot scene being "Wh- what are you doing? Why would you even think to do that? Why is nobody helping you? Who the hell wrote this, and have they ever met a human before?" Also IIRC it was less chainsaw and more electric breadknife, which made it even funnier/more inexplicable.)
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Payndz posted:I want to see a sci-fi horror movie where the astronauts are smart, work as a team of professionals, do everything right and aren't being deliberately sabotaged, but still one by one end up as monster food because the creature is just that nasty. Helmet-removers and egg-looker-intoers need not apply. Man it feels like I've seen a movie in this vein recently but damned if I can recall it This is my fantasy aliens movie: Cornered colonists are about to get killed by a xenomorph. All is lost. Suddenly an armored figure appears out of nowhere and starts beating the poo poo out of the xeno. Head to toe in futuristic armor...is loving iron man in this movie? No, this guy's armor is blue and white. Whoever he is, he's laying waste to the xeno, between melee attacks and blasts from his arm cannon, the xeno is toast. As the xeno writhes in death, the mysterious warrior yells to the colonists, "get to my gunship!" But his voice...he's a lady? Oh my God it's Samus. She turns into a morph ball and scoots into the nearby vent that the xenos were using. She rolls towards the hive.
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Payndz posted:I want to see a sci-fi horror movie where the astronauts are smart, work as a team of professionals, do everything right and aren't being deliberately sabotaged, but still one by one end up as monster food because the creature is just that nasty. Helmet-removers and egg-looker-intoers need not apply. You're right, it was definitely more of an electric breadknife kind of thing, I'd thought it was a bigger implement for some reason. And yes, it does make it even more  as to why anyone involved with the making of that movie would have ever thought it was a remotely good idea (though to be fair, the movie is pretty much like a fever dream, so consistent internal logic is definitely not its strong suit).
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I'm still mad about the sci fi movie where the central conflict was that the rescue ship didn't have enough stasis chambers or whatever for the crew and the people they got deliberately sent to rescue
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tactlessbastard posted:I'm still mad about the sci fi movie where the central conflict was that the rescue ship didn't have enough stasis chambers or whatever for the crew and the people they got deliberately sent to rescue  (I don't know what film this is)
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Splicer posted:(I don't know what film this is) https://youtu.be/_vktceH8ZA0
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I was like just get rid of the aliens! I dont know what was meant to happen but they hosed it up in every film I saw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhHx-haQges
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Android Apocalypse posted:Latest targeted ad I saw on Instagram: "Oh, oh Geoffrey and Bungle told you not to touch those eggs, Zippy!"
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Lawrence Fishburn's character in Event Horizon was ready to GTFO as soon as he realized they had gotten more than they'd bargained for. Too bad the ship didn't want to let them go.
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The Zombie Guy posted:Lawrence Fishburn's character in Event Horizon was ready to GTFO as soon as he realized they had gotten more than they'd bargained for. Too bad the ship didn't want to let them go. He was going to nuke the Event Horizon until he ran out of missiles, or there was nothing big enough to target. It’s the only way to be sure.
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BiggerBoat posted:This has some of the test footage and some stills from it I've wondered what that final fight scene from Predator would've been like if it involved prime-Arnie up against JCVD in an appropriately-sized Predator costume. I bet it would've been pretty neat.
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JCVD was on-set in Mexico during the first part of filming, as you see from that video BB linked. As they attempted to film it this way, everyone started to realize this particular suit and approach just wasn’t going to work. If I recall correctly, it was Arnold who suggested calling Stan Winston, who he knew from filming The Terminator. JCVD was let go, which he was pretty happy about. The director John McTiernan filmed everything he could that didn’t involve shots of the creature, while Winston worked up sketches of his vision for the creature, with McTiernan collaborating on what he wanted to see. And then finally they had to actually take a hiatus in filming, while Winston created the rubber molds and various prosthesis and as they did test shoots of Kevin Peter Hall moving around wearing it. Once the suits were ready they went back to filming in the jungle in Mexico (and a couple of interior sets) and the rest, is creature feature history.
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For that particular guy, it would be.
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Is there test footage of the monkey in the original Predator costume? Why they thought that'd be a good idea...
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Dog Aliens vs Monkey Predator is a movie I would watch.
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Parkingtigers posted:Dog Aliens vs Monkey Predator is a movie I would watch. This is just making me think of that dog-riding monkey that was a big deal for a hot second in the 00s
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Parkingtigers posted:Dog Aliens vs Monkey Predator is a movie I would watch. I think there was a xenomorph dog in Alien 3
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I think there was a xenomorph dog in Alien 3 Depends on the version
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Icon Of Sin posted:Depends on the version I saw it once on HBO, and bought the blu-ray. Never actually watched it tho
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He only talks about bill for like 1 minute in this but I was recommended many other videos and uh.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbHREBvkOx0 So apparently someone drugged about 150 people on the set of Titanic with PCP. They all go to the hospital and Bill is like "yeah this sucks I'm just gonna go back and drink a case of beer and ride it out." 
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Yeah, that story is loving insane. It has never happened to me, but I’d imagine being unknowingly dosed with a hallucinogen has to be utterly terrifying for a lot of people.
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skasion posted:This is just making me think of that dog-riding monkey that was a big deal for a hot second in the 00s In one of the recent BBC nature documentaries, not Planet Earth but something else, there's a shot of a monkey riding a deer.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:He only talks about bill for like 1 minute in this but I was recommended many other videos and uh.... no wonder Leo couldn't stay on that door
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I had a few thoughts about Aliens. One thing that I think makes it such a great movie is that it follows a dialectic in which the "slave" liberates herself, "reuniting" with the daughter that was (basically) taken from her by the corporation, and going from a disposable worker in a pod to nuking the corporation's assets without asking for permission. "They can bill me." Ripley also starts out as a vulnerable, traumatized women (but who is caring and empathetic towards her cat) who is expected to play a supporting role to the "protagonists" who are mostly-male marines. There are some gender-reversal jokes like Vasquez being asked if she's ever been mistaken for a man, and she replies to Hudson, "no, have you?" But the table gets flipped on them when they're ambushed by the aliens, and Ripley seizes the initiative to push the feckless Lt. Gorman aside and pull them out of the fire. The aftermath leaves Hudson in a vulnerable position much like Ripley used to be, while she's the one who's actually in control and knows what's going on. She has some muscle, but she also uses her brains. She works alongside the men but isn't dependent on them. She also has feminine intuition and empathy that unites the two previous stages of the film in a unity, selecting out the undesirable traits of both who she was in the beginning and who the marines were in the middle, while she also unites the positives of the previous stages (empathetic / badass) and becomes a truly human person. Essentially, in this progression, the final synthesis serves to negate the antithesis that itself negated the original thesis, while also preserving elements of both in a new unity or identity.    I think the theme of Aliens is also about alienation in the philosophical sense of people becoming alienated from their humanity when their virtues are split off (alienated) from them when they're used as tools by others. The corporation wants to use her as a tool, are using the marines as tools, who are just told what to do and don't have any control over the situation. There might also be an analogy to Ripley being in her pod in the beginning of the movie to the colonists who are being cocooned; all of them are disposable objects as far as the impersonal, systemic force of domination represented by the corporation is concerned.   In the 1980s, in the U.S., corporations were also on the rise. It was the beginning of the death of unions, and the birth of resurgent laisse-faire capitalism, which makes Burke an even more menacing figure (and everyone likes it when he gets eaten). There's a bit of Dante's Inferno in this too, with the corporation's drive to exploit its labor force (to the point of luring colonists to the planet so they'd serve as a hatchery) leading to ever more serious crises, with the characters discovering this by descending deeper and deeper into "hell."   But alongside this apocalyptic reading, there's also some optimism. Ripley gets in the exoskeleton and uses it to defeat the alien queen, but the larger backstory in the universe is that these exoskeletons became widespread because of the demand for skilled labor after increasing viral incursions into human populations. 
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That's some good solid thinking about Aliens thereedogawa rando posted:I've wondered what that final fight scene from Predator would've been like if it involved prime-Arnie up against JCVD in an appropriately-sized Predator costume. I bet it would've been pretty neat. I'm imagining the predator is doing a lot of split kicks.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I had a few thoughts about Aliens I appreciate the effort that went into this post. I know how much it takes to post something like this with all the embedded GIFs The effort to think up and type out something like this, especially I appreciate: quote:Essentially, in this progression, the final synthesis serves to negate the antithesis that itself negated the original thesis This guy is going to fit in here just fine (although he should also crosspost it to the CineD thread) e: could use more of Nature vs Nurture, and themes of mothering, and loss of child, etc.
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Yeah, excellent post BrutalistMcDonalds. Could definitely go in the CineD Aliens Thread as well, I'm sure some of the heads in there will appreciate it. But beware, certain posters like to use that thread (entire subforum?) as their practice grounds for debate club. They will cocoon you and implant you with disingenuous arguments.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I think the theme of Aliens is also about alienation in the philosophical sense of people becoming alienated from their humanity when their virtues are split off (alienated) from them when they're used as tools by others. The corporation wants to use her as a tool, are using the marines as tools, who are just told what to do and don't have any control over the situation. There might also be an analogy to Ripley being in her pod in the beginning of the movie to the colonists who are being cocooned; all of them are disposable objects as far as the impersonal, systemic force of domination represented by the corporation is concerned. James Cameron touches on this a bit on his commentary for The Terminator for the MGM DVD circa 2006-ish. About how part of what he was going for with the Terminator was evoking the isolation people have in modern society and how it's a factor in the fear of how anyone could blow them away at any time (a factor along with how, of course in the US specifically, yeah, anyone can blow you away at any time) and how that effects a population and how that paranoia makes us all more machine-like. With how capitalism-powered nightmare the world of Aliens seems to be (colonial marines that seem like they're owned by a corporation/etc.) you can see how much it's broken everyone down to their most basic value of what license they have, what their rank is. Goreman doesn't have any real experience, but I'll extrapolate that he doesn't have any real training in any of the empathy or compassion you mention Ripley having and you see that come through in his dumbass tactics. Like even if he's shocked by the ferocity and quickness of the aliens' attacking the marines ordering them to retreat would have been an obvious thing to do. Or earlier on in the film having them do a more thorough job of securing the previous areas of the colony they go through instead of just strolling. He doesn't know the desperation someone who went through Ripley or Newt's situation has so he lacks humanity. Newt's gone through some poo poo so she's able to survive on a level other than "lay down a supressing fire" and just having the marines blindly keep moving forward like Goreman does. Ripley's lured back to to going on the mission at all with the temptation of having a "real job" again instead of the work Burke low key insults but fortunately, as if she'll have a chance to climb the ladder like Burke has. We see how Burke ends up treating her and Newt instead, just as expendable as everyone else around him. I was always so happy that she gets to battle the queen with the power loader. Because I do sometimes see a take on Aliens that the alien infestation is like a metaphor for Ripley/etc. going in to put down a worker's revolt. But I always saw it the other way, that the infestation is just the like final endgame of late stage capitalism that you have this endlessly reproducing for the sake of it cycle that doesn't actually add anything (since every single alien there popped out of a colonist). It's heavy handed (  ) but I appreciate any plot development that acknowledges that there's no such thing as "unskilled" labor.Anyway this part of your post in particular is an aspect of Aliens I that I think gets overlooked a lot. It's actually a clever thing about the movie for the time it was made imo, that unlike in Alien the literal machine corporate representation isn't hidden at all, and the "corporation" itself has this friendly personable face in Burke to do the same heinous horrible stuff the corporation has always and will always strive to do, but with a reassuring smile.* Corporate two-faced douchebags have been in movies and tv shows for a long time but Burke is one of my favorite uses of it. Not just because of movie in general being great and Paul Reiser being awesome, but because a lot of his dialogue especially early on is so 100% on point with actual conversations I've had with douchebag managers about stuff over the years. *Unrelated but I love Burke's costume design so much. It's such a great "this is what uh the honest working American man wears to work right?" completely unscuffed bullshit outfit lol
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I saw an interview with Paul Reiser from a while back, where he knew he played Burke as a perfect slimeball. His evidence? His own mom said “yea, Burke deserved what happened to him, sorry about it son!” 
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Gnome de plume posted:
So what you're saying is: it would have ruled.
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https://twitter.com/elle_hunt/status/1379341076687904773 The thread is great. I'm struggling to think of the last time anyone was this Wrong about anything.
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It’s a horror film, and the true monster was on screen a ton. it was Ash, and the scene where they interrogated his head haunted me as a kid more than anything the alien ever did  As opposed to the alien, who got like 10-15 seconds here and there.
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Icon Of Sin posted:It’s a horror film, and the true monster was on screen a ton. Just rewatched Prometheus and, while not an Alien movie, it does recognise this premise instead and play with it extremely well. Might gently caress around and rewatch Covenant in the same light, I remember it being a huge disappointment on the Shaw and Engineers fronts but Fassbender plays a drat good villain.
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What a dream job. https://twitter.com/ludoiochem/status/1639826597560692737
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I hope those guys got credited as bug wranglers
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I've probably mentioned it in here before but I used to love this 90s program on Discovery called Movie Magic. It was all about the behind the scenes stuff like this. I LOVED seeing the miniatures and matte paintings and the insanely detailed poo poo that they built. I'm pretty sure they had a Starship Troopers segment. Also Alien Resurrection. Unless those were other shows. Discovery used to have cool stuff. edit: it ran from 1994-1997. It was SOOOOOO good. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108865/ Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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