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Ornery and Hornery posted:the madness is spreading!!! I get the size concerns but drat he can sling it.
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It’s true but my brain can’t get over the hurdle of “he looks like I could beat him up”
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Madness, absolute madness, that at one point (and even to this very day) some believed that Young is superior to Stroud. When will the world wake up to baby-sized-discount-Tua?
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How about a 2-fer? JSN and Zay Flowers. Been seeing more discussion putting the latter over the former (and not just in the goon draft), but that might just be the ebb and flow of pre-draft chatter needing to spice things up for clicks
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Nosre posted:How about a 2-fer? JSN and Zay Flowers. Been seeing more discussion putting the latter over the former (and not just in the goon draft), but that might just be the ebb and flow of pre-draft chatter needing to spice things up for clicks Got them next to each other: 26 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR Ohio State Shined with Olave and Wilson. Sat out most of his junior year with a hamstring injury. Used primarily out of the backfield and in the slot. Great burst after the catch, can take a screen pass for quick extra yards or punish DBs with motions. Elite change of direction. Top score in 3 cone drill at the combine. Needs to translate it into his game. Feels average at getting separation. Good hands and body control. Not afraid to take a hit over the middle and will look to drive through safety tackles. Could possibly play outside. Didn't do much before going down injured in his last year. Got bullied by Notre Dame despite size. Most tape is from 2021. 27 Zay Flowers WR Boston College Four year WR that lined up all over the field. Great athlete and player. Runs the full route tree, can take jet sweeps or screens, and deadly after the catch. Runs soft routes while trying to find the quickest open spot. Smart. Diagnoses coverages well and finds openings against otherwise well covered areas. Threat at all levels of the field with breakaway speed and great acceleration. Actively blocks and handles press coverage well for someone his size. Crafty with the ball in his hands. Has great open field vision and shiftiness to consistently rack up yards after catch. While he's tough he can easily be bumped off routes and doesn't have much fight against tight coverage. Not a sideline route guy. Needs to burn his target in order to be relevant deep. Could possibly still play outside at the pro level, probably more of a slot guy but not limited to underneath routes.
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Hoping against hope flowers falls to the panthers in the second. Great write up Daltos.
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Brian Branch
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Looking at some outside candidates the Packers might consider on Day 2. If you only want to do one go with LaPorta, the others are much less likely to be drafted by GB.
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wandler20 posted:Brian Branch 14 Brian Branch CB/S Alabama Nickel corner for Alabama while also shifting to safety at times. All around player with decent height and solid athleticism. Often tasked with covering the playmaking short yardage receiver. Great at reading and reacting to routes, recognizing play action, and recognizing run plays. Strong for a coverage corner and can stick RBs like a linebacker. Seems to avoid doing it at times most likely because tackling hurts like hell. Great short area agility with a knack for recognizing receiver's short route breaks. Doesn't break on the ball well. Needs to be more assertive after recognizing the route. Only one year of good play under his belt but consistently had thankless assignments that would produce yards on any DB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnhCXi-FUE 33 Darnell Wright OT Tennessee Two years as RT in a Jeremy Pruitt offense and then two years as a LT and RT in a Josh Heupel offense. Improved in pass protection in a hurry but was too slow to stick at LT. Much better at pass protection when starting at RT in his senior year. Not impressively quick but big enough with a wide base to make up for it. Doesn't get moved by bull rushes. Not the fastest in help offense but has good reach and can at least be present. Great at drive blocking. Takes on too many assignments when doing it sometimes. Blanked Will Anderson Jr. until they schemed him to the left side. Slow at picking up stunts, probably would be wasted in zone blocking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkM9WKFEnDU
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SKULL.GIF posted:Looking at some outside candidates the Packers might consider on Day 2. If you only want to do one go with LaPorta, the others are much less likely to be drafted by GB. Don't have Benton done yet 71 Sam LaPorta TE Iowa Four year player, heavily targeted and featured last two years. Played inline and in the Y, ran a variety of routes. More of a big WR than a TE but still capable of TE duties. Good hips, runs routes fluidly. Good after the catch, lowers his shoulder and fights hard against weaker tacklers. Kind of a gadget tool for the Hawkeyes, ran outside routes, screen plays, goes. Decent hands, kind of wrangles the ball rather than sntaching it but has good security after it gets in the bucket. Not the worst blocker in the world. Is active and plays hard. Just not reliable against a bigger rusher. Catches the ball more like a WR than a TE, doesn't body anyone and lets people get into his space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpdavzLyDFY 41 Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State Started all three years predominately on the outside over the X receiver. One of the better ball hawks in the draft. Breaks on the point of attack quickly and looks to win on speed. Plays off ball because he's fast enough to limit underneath routes and also because his press coverage isn't that great. Has long arms and is tall but too thin to really bully anyone. Way better at playing deep routes. Doesn't get outran, just has true game speed. Good vertical and fights for the ball on deep routes. Great hips, plays well at the top of the route and recovers well if the break tricks him. Tackles but doesn't look comfortable doing it. More just wraps up and hopes other people gets there than being able to take down a WR, even smaller ones. Had a relatively easy job and wasn't asked to do much. Kind of a one year wonder in coverage, Sophomore tape has him getting picked on a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuQcL-E8pp8 48 Jack Campbell Edge/ILB/OLB Iowa Four year player, starter for two years at Edge, ILB, and OLB. Played everywhere as soon as he was a starter but predominately at ILB. Comfortable up near the line or dropping back, has good patience and diagnoses plays decently. Makes sure he gets in on a play and delivers a hit. Okay pass rusher. More of a pocket collapser than someone who knifes through but quick and strong when he does find the gap. Classic coverage ability in the middle. Sits back and waits for crossing routes before trying to punish it. Good wrap up tackler if he squares up. Misses key tackles in the backfield. Gets there but can't seem to do more than flail at shoes. Can get easily moved by inside linemen during run plays, just gets shoved. Needs to do a better job avoiding blitz pickups instead of just taking them on. Coverage abilities are okay but kind of out of place in the modern day NFL, could possibly be a better WILL than MIKE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GefOq9EKi0o
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Thank you Daltos! I've been warming up a lot to the idea of the Packers double-dipping on TE, especially given that this year's TE class has a very diverse skillset. Grabbing Washington and then LaPorta would fill two distinct roles in the offense without too much overlap.
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I would also very much like the Giants to double dip on the TEs this year. Zach Kuntz is the most intriguing prospect I've seen in years and I hope there's a stupid arms race for him.
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Adetomiwa Adebawore, if he's in your top 100 otherwise. Paris Johnson and Peter Skoronski
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Dexo posted:Adetomiwa Adebawore, if he's in your top 100 otherwise. 32 Adetomiwa Adebawore DL/Edge Northwestern Moved all over the line. Highly athletic tweener with incredibly quick first step. Used predominately on the edge but seems to be better crossing over guards with his first step. Looks to keep space with active hands before a quick disengage. Works better inside than out unless you need him to set an edge. Good gap filler and decent tackler, all arms and power. More of a patient fighter at the line than a pure pass rusher. Gets fooled by misdirections. Dominated Senior Bowl and had a great combine. Kind of short and more obstinate at the point of attack than dominating. Does arm tackles sometimes that just get blown through. Built like a bowling ball, might be better suited as a pass rush specialist at under tackle but could realistically play the strong side if he gets better at tackling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzopdIb-00 11 Paris Johnson Jr. OT/G Ohio State One year starter at LT with another year at RG. Looked much more comfortable and was able to use his feet more at LT. Quick off the snap, likes to gain position rather than fighting with upper body. Kind of lazy with his hands at times but displays sound technique more often. Won't ever finish a rusher. Aims to lockdown and shuffle with the rush to guide out the edge or pin them back into the pile if he's stronger. Great footwork and agility in pass protection. Lack of strength seems to be a technique issue when playing guard. Needs to get lower and drive more in the rush game. Might get called for holds a lot at the next level. Should probably be utilized in zone blocking schemes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HmS7b5eLqo&t=344s 22 Peter Skoronski OT/OG Northwestern Great bend, has a lot of sit and arm extension to his game to neutralize longer pass rushers. Knows how to hand fight and keep engagement. Plus pull and down blocking strength. Can move guys easily with momentum. Not very aware. Can get fooled easily by stunts and fast movement in space. Loses his sit technique at times and tries to block standing up which plays against short arm length. Could be an elite guard. Quick but not as quick as Slater, could face a lot of problems with speed rushes. Strong and good run blocker but loses against bull rushes sometimes inexplicably. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMtGDvKPlLs&t=201s
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Deonte Banks Tyree Wilson
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Danny LaFever posted:Deonte Banks 36 Deonte Banks CB Maryland Started most of his freshman year and all his senior year, lost half a season to covid year and one to a shoulder injury. Usually mirrored #1 WRs. Quick as hell. Closes gaps in an instant. Great corner blitzing potential because of it. Good in press or off coverage. Keeps up stride for stride if he gets into position and works WRs towards the sidelines. Pretty good tackler. Wraps up well and isn't afraid to hit. Sometimes over eager in that regard. Great at routes he's figured out but gets easily turned around by quick footwork and tends to break late on comebacks. Poor play recognition skills if he's in press, does better when he's in off coverage and able to react. Got a little bit better at breaking on the ball his senior year but is usually a step behind the catch point. Lets WRs get behind him on double moves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PQuMkqOGA 5 Tyree Wilson Edge/DL Texas Tech Rotational player for two years before starting predominately on the strong side. Pure power. Destroys double teams with ease. All power rush and getting thin. Bullies tackles by winning hand fights but has issues with getting to his position in time. Still wins those fights but it delays his pass rush as he has to reset. Lack of explosion could be due to skill at tracking backfield action. More cerebral and deliberant than ponderous. Better at sticking QBs and RBs behind the line than WAJ. More of a crashing technique getting into a gap than decisive. Play style doesn't lend to bend so will have to rely on power and dip skills against bigger opponents than Big 12 OL. Elite rush stopping skills could see him on the strong side which might not be worth a top pick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS15hiFQtMw
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Anthony Richardson.
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Kevino07 posted:Anton Harrison and Broderick Jones MrLogan posted:Anthony Richardson. 15 Broderick Jones OT Georgia Two year starter at LT. Great waist bend, core strength, and upper body strength. Manhandles edge rushers and DTs alike. Down blocker in the run game or can easily sweep outside due to his quick feet. Smart player initially but then lacks discipline as the snap continues. Will read a stunt perfectly then lunge too soon negating any positioning. Seems to want to get his hands on defenders over completing the play. Can have problems with obstitent edge rushers that scrap through his initial block set. So strong he looks to move defenders with his arms instead of roadgrading them which he's capable of. Seems to have similar problems that Andrew Thomas initially displayed coming out of a Kirby Smart system that values stout pockets over the fluidity necessary at NFL speed. 25 Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma Two year starter, rotated around freshman year, also stayed at LT for a left handed QB. Good technician. Hand placement and punch are well placed. Creates a good bubble with his length and extension. Natural movement in pass protection. Has a great kick slide and goes for the hug control with his hand placement. Can also block in space and get to the second level well. Loses to bull rushes if he sits back. Leaning OT in run blocking or aggressive pass protection. Can get easily shedded or blown by due to dipping his head. Kind of loses guys if he has to down block. 10 Anthony Richardson QB Florida Asked to do a variety of throws. Underrated in that regard. Had to time safeties and plenty of film of him fitting throws into tight windows against off coverage. Had Justin Shorter but barely targeted him for unknown reasons. Seems to prefer to throw into heavy coverage to below average WRs instead. Unbelievable athlete but isn't Cam Newton or Daniel Jones in the run game. Probably correctly shies away from contact and goes down easily. Can still take it to the house if not contacted tho, several long rush TDs in college. Fantastic combine performance. Threw deep routes with ease. Started one year in a bad coaching environment. Knee surgery two years ago but doesn't seem bothered by it.
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Feels like the Cowboys are definitely taking a TE unless Bijan somehow falls all the way to 26, how do you have Mayer/Washington/Kincaid/Musgrave stacking up against each other?
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Feels like the Cowboys are definitely taking a TE unless Bijan somehow falls all the way to 26, how do you have Mayer/Washington/Kincaid/Musgrave stacking up against each other?
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Feels like the Cowboys are definitely taking a TE unless Bijan somehow falls all the way to 26, how do you have Mayer/Washington/Kincaid/Musgrave stacking up against each other? Mayer and Kincaid are first rounders, Washington is basically Marcedes Lewis reborn, Musgrave is a 2nd/3rd rounder. LaPorta, Kuntz, Whyle, Schoonmaker, Strange, Allen, and Kraft are all solid 2nd day picks too. Musgrave seems like the highest ceiling out of all of them but he's just raw and bad right now. Pontius Pilate posted:How bout Bijan since he was mentioned 6 Bijan Robinson RB Texas Three year player, split carries with Roschon Johnson all three years. Criminally underutilized in Sarkisian's system. Often abandoned in the run game or not targeted enough out of the backfield. Shades of Barkley in playstyle and athleticism. Almost as gifted of a receiver and possibly a better pure runner. Dances a bit behind the line and doesn't always cut and go. Would be way better if he did. Great burst and top end speed, NFL quality but not on the same level as Barkley. Makes up for it with decisive power and balance once he gets to the second level. Runs powerfully in the second level and can break crappy DB tackles with ease. Runs pretty good routes out of the backfield and has good hands. Just okay in pass protection. Got obliterated by Alabama's heavy front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUNXhOjuN8
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Doltos posted:Almost done with my top 100 and still fleshing out my top 10 for each position. Give me a prospect and I'll give you their blurb. Calijah Kancey
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Nolan smith and o’cyrus torrance pls Miss Lonelyhearts posted:Calijah Kancey 29 Nolan Smith Edge/OLB Georgia Went between stand up OLB and speed rushing Edge. Good anticipation on the snap count and combines a decent shed/swim move with his speed to win fast. Might actually be better with his hand in the ground although undersized for that position. Willing tackler in the run game despite size. Good at slipping through blocks to get into the gap but isn't really big enough to stonewall RBs. Kind of lost in coverage, limits ability to play in the 4-3. More of a 3-4 Edge. Lost his season to a pectoral rip. Kind of a workout warrior, needs to produce more with his athleticism level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a-9K5a7xPs 44 O'Cyrus Torrence OG Florida Four year starter, transfered from Louisiana in his last year to Florida, experience at both LG and RG. Good technician, big and athletic. Has good instincts in pass protection for a right guard, patient and aware in help blocking. Great hand placement. Delivers well aimed initial punch and then locks down. Doesn't really get moved by bull rushes, just stout. Run blocking is strong and deliberate. Locks into his assignment and gets good drive. Kind of a turnstile. Stats say he's never given up a sack but he definitely has plenty of hurries under his belt. Loses rushers into gaps if they dip through his initial punch. Sometimes is too eager to get to the second level instead of clearing the gap in front of him. Bull rushes can surprise him if he sits back in his stance. Might be more suited for the left side of the line, although limited lateral movement will probably keep him on the right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgs6oKWmO6w&t=1s 18 Calijah Kancey Edge/DL Pittsburgh Pure pass rusher that was most often 1 or 3 tech but can also line up outside. Swim move and spin has shades of Dwight Freeney. Quick first step and burst has produced a lot of counting stats while also regularly disrupting pockets. Shorter but leverage and active arms gives him advantages against much larger guards. Looks to just stand up and fight OL in the run game. Doesn't have the strength or technique to disengage into the gap. Gets obliterated by double teams. Has a weird jump move while rushing longer OL that looks like wasted movement. Tiny, might have more of a build for the outside or in sub packages. Not unwilling to fight though, definitely gives it his all against stronger opponents and isn't completely washed out in the run game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sWaNmURBCw
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I’ve told this story here before but I had a friend in college who played highschool football against Jamarcus Russell. He played safety and came through unblocked on a blitz. He had Russell absolutely dead to rights. He says the last thing he remembered is Russell seeing him and smiling. Next thing he knew he was being picked up off the ground and his team mates were pulling turf out of his mask. Russell had stiff armed him so hard he knocked him out then threw like a thirty yard TD pass. Only remember that because I connected with that guy on LinkedIn and he spent time on the jets coaching staff.
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What does "long-arming" mean in terms of DL/rushers? I've seen TGG use the term a lot but am not sure what sort of move/moves that refers to
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indigi posted:What does "long-arming" mean in terms of DL/rushers? I've seen TGG use the term a lot but am not sure what sort of move/moves that refers to :format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/6923753/20121013_mje_se2_1440.0.jpg) You use your arm to create more separation between yourself and the blocker. It's harder for the OL to get his hands on the rusher's chestplate which lets the rusher get into gaps easier or dip around the block.
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This is a penalty, fwiw.
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indigi posted:What does "long-arming" mean in terms of DL/rushers? I've seen TGG use the term a lot but am not sure what sort of move/moves that refers to Doltos got a (questionably legal) example above, but I would add a slightly wider classification. I (and some DL coaches) would consider it any move where the defender’s single arm at full extension is used to keep the offensive lineman off his chest or inside shoulder. The classic example is going “low man wins” and scooping under an OL so that his relative weight and linger limbs don’t matter (think about what extending your arms later than the defender means in terms of directing any actual power into the defender—you either punch too high and force him off of you potentially into space or miss your strike and don’t disrupt momentum, can’t really do much to drive or upper body block at that point). You can do this laterally too if you get wide enough on the outside of the OL’s chest and shoulder and make it impossible for them to get both hands out to stop you, meaning you lock in your spacing above the waist and can run free. High end dudes are able to do this to basically anyone and the threat of their long arm is what a lot of counters (whether that’s using a two hand strike when a guy things you’re going with 1 or going up and under rather than wide or cutting in) are based off. This is also why people like me (and Doltos too from my read) will tell you to be careful about projecting Tackles based purely on length. The whole point of most pass rush moves is to make reach blocks irrelevant and punish guys who reach without their feet. As defenders get more advanced in this space, a lineman’s feet become more important because they’re the safety button in maintaining positioning and disrupting a free shot at the QB. It’s also why the concept of just finishing drive blocks and hitting guys into the dirt isn’t valued the same way anymore—can’t count on that winning a vertical passing rep or PA consistently as opposed to solid feet, controlled hands, and effective mirroring. There are always exceptions to this (Orlando Brown just kind of Velcros his man and cheats his lateral steps but can do that because he’s massive; same with Becton), but it’s why the concept of the footwork has only gotten more important. Guys like Duke Mayweather have been very very open about how the challenges on the technical side are where things are getting harder for OL and how you technically fight back, and this is why—there are more threats to an edge than ever now. Those technical threats are also why certain good college Ts end up at G now. Programs like Michigan or Riley era Oklahoma do incredible pin/pull, power/counter variations where those guys get asked to turn and run and do well, but they don’t learn elite pass blocking techniques as a result because the run scheme prevents teams from selling out against the pass with the threat of moving gaps, rather than the double teaming of zone blocking. Those dudes pull on GT counter and get to the league and can immediately move in and run block—then they have the advantage of having T length against interior rushers that can’t attack them in as many varied ways because a classic bull rush or long arm have fewer counters without space to one side and from a play standpoint all you can really do inside of the Ts short of called twists or stunts. So long arming is an important technique the same way pressing is for a corner, and the ability to do it and build on it openly shapes the NFL meta right now.
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