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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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Apr 2, 2023 21:55
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Tuna-Fish posted:PersKeKo 2.0: Kokoperse Esimerkkinä sinimustien entiset persunuorifasistit. Eipä ne toisaalta kyllä kummoista vaikutusta tehneet, kyllä se olisi persuille suurempi haitta ollut jos nämä olisivat jatkaneet puolueen sisällä. Ano Turtiainenkin sai peräti 600 ääntä. Hjallis sen sijaan ansaitsisi tunnustuspalkinnon. En tiedä onko sillä mitään muuta syytä jatkaa kuin kiusata Orpoa.
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Apr 2, 2023 21:58
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Hjallis vei tasan yhden paikan kokoomukselta, eli hyvää työtä tekee. Sillä välin äänirajan alapuolella joku nevöhööd Vapauden liitto sai 0.9% äänistä? Oliko nämä joku persuista irtaantunut poppoo vai keitä nää on, kun en hirveänä ole heistä kuullut?
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Apr 2, 2023 22:03
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Ei, ne irtautui VKK:sta koska ne kuulemma tykkäs liikaa Putinista
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Apr 2, 2023 22:08
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Suomen äärioikeisto persujen ulkopuolella on sirpaloitunut n+1 eri ryhmään ja pikkupuolueeseen jotka kaikki vihaa kaikkia muita yleensä pienistä mielipide-eroista johtuen
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Apr 2, 2023 22:09
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Issaries posted:Sillä välin äänirajan alapuolella joku nevöhööd Vapauden liitto sai 0.9% äänistä? VKK erosi persuista, sitten myöhemmin vapauden liitto erosi VKK:sta.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:09
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SpiritOfLenin posted:Suomen äärioikeisto persujen ulkopuolella on sirpaloitunut n+1 eri ryhmään ja pikkupuolueeseen jotka kaikki vihaa kaikkia muita yleensä pienistä mielipide-eroista johtuen Sama pätee äärikeskustaan eli Paavon puolueisiin. Wikipedian mukaan Seitsemän tähden liike keskittyy tällä hetkellä 2024 pressanvaaleihin joissa Paavo on mahdollisesti ehdolla. En epäile hetkeäkään. Nenonen fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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Apr 2, 2023 22:21
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will NATO be an issue in government formation or have all skeptical parties flipped to pro in the last year?
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Apr 2, 2023 22:27
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Issaries posted:Hjallis vei tasan yhden paikan kokoomukselta, eli hyvää työtä tekee. Suurin osa on jäsentenvälisissä monoa saaneita persuja, jotka liittyvät ensin Anon puolueeseen, mutta kyllästyivät valta kuuluu kremlille–puolueen meininkeihin. Persuissa puoluesihteerin puhdistukset ennen vaaleja ovat muodostuneet jo perinteeksi.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:32
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i say swears online posted:will NATO be an issue in government formation or have all skeptical parties flipped to pro in the last year? Being NATO-sceptic seems like a political suicide at this point.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:34
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voi persei say swears online posted:will NATO be an issue in government formation or have all skeptical parties flipped to pro in the last year? Everyone has flipped, there really aren't any skeptical parties in parliament anymore. The most NATO critical parties pre-invasion actually were in the government that pushed membership through, new government will most likely be formed by people who'd been pro-NATO even before the invasion. Dunno what that would mean to potential American bases on Finnish soil, don't really see it as a realistic possibility even after NC becomes the PM party.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:37
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DanTheFryingPan posted:Being NATO-sceptic seems like a political suicide at this point. Purra has walked back even from euroskepticism to fit into kokpers.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:39
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i say swears online posted:will NATO be an issue in government formation or have all skeptical parties flipped to pro in the last year? It also included automatic support for Sweden’s membership so demanding their withdrawal from Eurovision contest is no longer an option.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:40
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This is literally worse than the 2016 US election night.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:42
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Literally only 2 of the people who voted against joining the Nato retained their seats: Veronika Honkasalo and Anna Kontula. Both from leftist Alliance.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:43
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Glah posted:Dunno what that would mean to potential American bases on Finnish soil, don't really see it as a realistic possibility even after NC becomes the PM party. There's little acute need, Finland has stronk defense forces unlike e.g. Estonia. Russia is poised to increase presence at the border but it's not going to be a credible threat as long as Russian T-55's are needed in Ukraine.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:44
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DanTheFryingPan posted:This is literally worse than the 2016 US election night. Worse in sense, that we as Finns didn't really have to give a gently caress about American election results? Because I'd rather have Persus than replace them with Trump Jugend.
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Apr 2, 2023 22:45
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Nenonen posted:There's little acute need, Finland has stronk defense forces unlike e.g. Estonia. Russia is poised to increase presence at the border but it's not going to be a credible threat as long as Russian T-55's are needed in Ukraine. Yeah exactly. The priority is to secure Swedish membership so all the planning and integration of Nordic defense gets finished, never mind securing the important logistics side of things. American base would only act as a tripwire force, it wouldn't really bring any real benefit in relation to FDF unless they'd bring a force similar to what they have in Central Europe. Only thing American base would achieve is to antagonize Russia even more. And while Russia at the moment is acting like a humongous rear end in a top hat rogue state foreign policy -vise, there's always room for Russia to become even more assholish. So why take the risk for a small benefit of tripwire base?
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Apr 2, 2023 22:55
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Issaries posted:Worse in sense, that we as Finns didn't really have to give a gently caress about American election results? I ran out of drinks much sooner and nothing's open nearby.
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Apr 2, 2023 23:05
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Issaries posted:Literally only 2 of the people who voted against joining the Nato retained their seats: Maybe Katja Hänninen argueably. Matti Semi and Johannes Yrttiaho lost their places to more charismatic newcomers, thank god. All of them lost a few thousand votes but so did everyone else except Li. And Markus Mustajärvi wasn't ehdolla. Meadowhill fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 00:47
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My main target in voting was that Yrttiaho would get the boot and it happened. Small victories, since i knew that the racists and grynderit would get the most votes in this hell timeline.
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Apr 3, 2023 00:56
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So, the poor will get poorer and Kokoomus will 'fix the economy'. Not necessarily in that order.
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Apr 3, 2023 02:59
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^^^^ No I work and am sorta median and I will get poorer too, only the richest will be better off. I can't wait to see how they will try and destroy the country over the next 4 years. Apes-A-Poppin posted:It's seemed weirdly possible then, there was a lot of hype, people getting conscious about the environment and all that. Melting like the greens did now is somewhat odd when the upcoming climate catastrophe is closer than ever. Perhaps they cannot answer that crisis in a satisfactory way - or more likely people don't care none. People care way way way more abut the price of gas. I said if SDP wanted to win they should've cut the gasoline or car tax or both, of course that would probably have torpedoed the government since the greens heads would explode.
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Apr 3, 2023 04:33
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His Divine Shadow posted:I can't wait to see how they will try and destroy the country over the next 4 years. Ulkomaiset sijoittajat are salivating already. 3,20 ja jämät kuulostaa ihan reilulta hinnalta koko maan pohjavesistä, eikö vaan?
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Apr 3, 2023 06:34
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Obviously it doesn't mean anything in terms of seats, but as the talking heads start to bang on about what a complete rejection of this government's policies this result was it's worth keeping in mind that overall the government parties retained a majority in the share of votes cast (the slightest possible with 50.1%, but still). That hasn't happened since 2003. Not a victory by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not a complete rejection either.
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Apr 3, 2023 07:42
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Forktoss posted:Obviously it doesn't mean anything in terms of seats, but as the talking heads start to bang on about what a complete rejection of this government's policies this result was it's worth keeping in mind that overall the government parties retained a majority in the share of votes cast (the slightest possible with 50.1%, but still). That hasn't happened since 2003. Not a victory by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not a complete rejection either. Tuttu listasi vaalipiirien viimeisimmät sisäänpäässeet ja ensimmäiset tippuneet. Onnetar potki demareita munille: Kokoomus: 3 in, 2 out Perussuomalaiset: 2 in, 2 out SDP: 1 ln, 6 out Keskusta: 2 in Vasemmistoliitto: 1 in, 1 out Vihreät: 1 in, 1 out RKP: 1 in Kristillisdemokraatit: 1 in
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Apr 3, 2023 07:57
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Forktoss posted:Obviously it doesn't mean anything in terms of seats, but as the talking heads start to bang on about what a complete rejection of this government's policies this result was it's worth keeping in mind that overall the government parties retained a majority in the share of votes cast (the slightest possible with 50.1%, but still). That hasn't happened since 2003. Not a victory by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not a complete rejection either. In actual seats the result is also exactly 100/200. There's no way to form a functional majority government in this situation without at least one of the old gov's party crossing over, nor can the old government continue without some support from the old opposition.
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Apr 3, 2023 08:21
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Trying out some possible coalitions here. Hoping I haven't fumbled with the numbers. Trying out KOK+SDP coalitions KOK+SDP+KESK+RKP = 123 seats If keskusta goes into opposition KOK+SDP+RKP = 100 seats KOK+SDP+RKP+KD = 105 seats KOK+SDP+VIHR+RKP= 113 seats KOK+SDP+KD+RKP= 105 seats KOK+PERS coalitions KOK+PERS+KESK = 117 seats If keskusta goes into opposition KOK+PERS+KD = 99 minority govt. KOK+PERS+KD+RKP = 108 seats KOK+PERS+KD+VIHR= 111 seats KOK+PERS+VIHR+RKP = 116 seats I don't think it's likely that a coalition with the greens and KD would work, and RKP in a perus govt might be unlikely too but I think less so. They might stay in since last time they stayed out things weren't so nice for them, and it'll poison the true finns to have to compromise with RKP so it might be the best way to hurt Perus for RKP to join in coalition. I don't see the left getting in anywhere in this.
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Apr 3, 2023 08:35
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His Divine Shadow posted:KOK+SDP+RKP = 100 seats likely but not safe
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Apr 3, 2023 08:59
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Liike Nyt as the kingmaker baby!
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Apr 3, 2023 09:03
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His Divine Shadow posted:People care way way way more abut the price of gas. I said if SDP wanted to win they should've cut the gasoline or car tax or both, of course that would probably have torpedoed the government since the greens heads would explode.
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Apr 3, 2023 09:26
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Going into kokpers would be absolute suicide for kepu right now. PS has drawn a huge amount of votes from them in two consecutive elections, and they're not going to get any of those back by supporting their main rival in a Sipilä 2 Talouskuri Boogaloo coalition when that was what started the huge downward spiral in the first place. Their best hope for regaining any kannatus would be to be the biggest non-leftist opposition party to a kok+ps coalition (which would in that case require cooperation by rkp and kd). Their second-best option would be opposing a messy sinipuna, but even then ps would be the biggest opposition party and probably overshadow them. Kok+ps+rkp+kd is unlikely though because it requires rkp support, and they're bound to be hesitant to work with ps. What might sway them is the threat of kok+ps+kesk, but like I said I think kesk is hoping for the opposite. And if rkp is the kingmaker anyway then they have no reason to choose kok+ps over kok+sdp+vihr/kd. (I actually think vihr is the more likely choice here, the majority with kd is pretty slight and vihr is probably eager to put their puisto-osasto pleiseri back on now that collaborating with the left has bit them in the rear end.) So if kepu stays in opposition, it's sinipuna for sure. The trouble is that any kok-led coalition without ps portends PM Purra in 2027. So it depends on if kepu wants to play it safe and hope that four years in opposition gains them some seats back and they're on track for recovery in the long term for 2031 and beyond, or if they want to go all-in to Sipilä Redux with four years of complete misery for everyone in the hope that PS craters even worse than they do and that come 2027 they are in a better position to pick up what remains of the smouldering ashes of their shared base. Kok+sdp+kesk(+rkp) is technically an option too I guess but I see even less reason for kesk to go with that than any of the other choices, not least because having an all-vanhat puolueet coalition would spell kissampäivät for PS in opposition. But it's kepu and they're desperate so who the gently caress knows
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Apr 3, 2023 09:26
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Herman Merman posted:key to Finnish politics: pensan hinta I would say yeah, at least where I live.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:02
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Forktoss posted:Going into kokpers would be absolute suicide for kepu right now. PS has drawn a huge amount of votes from them in two consecutive elections, and they're not going to get any of those back by supporting their main rival in a Sipilä 2 Talouskuri Boogaloo coalition when that was what started the huge downward spiral in the first place. Nah, the demographic hammer was going to come down on Keskusta anyway. There just isn't a place for a major farmer's party when there aren't many farmers left. They've been coasting on Boomer and Gen-X nostalgia for decades, but that momentum is running out now.  Sipilä's Kok lite was an attempt to spin the party into a new direction, but ultimately isännät gonna isännöidä.  Also, I don't think Li has particular reason to be disappointed. Vas never has and never will be more than a minor party, but it's a perennial fixture in the political field. The swings and roundabouts are just the usual noise. 
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Apr 3, 2023 10:10
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Nah, the demographic hammer was going to come down on Keskusta anyway. There just isn't a place for a major farmer's party when there aren't many farmers left. They've been coasting on Boomer and Gen-X nostalgia for decades, but that momentum is running out now. Oh yeah there's a bigger trend than just Sipilä, but I don't think that the current death spiral was inevitable. Plenty of people live in the bönde and who they vote for matters electorally, and just because they're not farmers anymore doesn't mean they automatically stop voting kesk, it's just that kepu has absolutely bungled that generational shift and those people now vote for ps. I do think that the Sipilä gov and siniset taking its stain off persut was a significant turning point and did not help at all in fighting that trend.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:50
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Forktoss posted:Oh yeah there's a bigger trend than just Sipilä, but I don't think that the current death spiral was inevitable. Plenty of people live in the bönde and who they vote for matters electorally, and just because they're not farmers anymore doesn't mean they automatically stop voting kesk, it's just that kepu has absolutely bungled that generational shift and those people now vote for ps. I do think that the Sipilä gov and siniset taking its stain off persut was a significant turning point and did not help at all in fighting that trend. Yeah they just vote for PS now instead. Sipilä really hosed it up. And I just head Saarikko said they will be in opposition now. So no coalitions involving kepu.
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Apr 3, 2023 10:52
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 Saarikko swears that kepu will be going into opposition this time. However, keep in mind: kepu pettää aina
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Apr 3, 2023 10:54
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Forktoss posted:Oh yeah there's a bigger trend than just Sipilä, but I don't think that the current death spiral was inevitable. Plenty of people live in the bönde and who they vote for matters electorally, and just because they're not farmers anymore doesn't mean they automatically stop voting kesk, it's just that kepu has absolutely bungled that generational shift and those people now vote for ps. I do think that the Sipilä gov and siniset taking its stain off persut was a significant turning point and did not help at all in fighting that trend. "Plenty of people" being about 27% of the population and shrinking. It's not nothing, no, but it's absolutely not a solid voter base any more.  Venstre in Denmark managed to become the Kok of the country, but no other Nordic agrarian party has survived the demographic shift as a major party. 🍀 Is a party out of time.
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Apr 3, 2023 11:26
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In my electoral district the only change in seats was Kepu losing one seat to Cocks. Otherwise, it was just bit of shuffling who exactly got in, but the other parties' number of seats remained the same. Saatanan savolaiset suoörkit perkele, osaa edes äänestää saatana.
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Apr 3, 2023 11:46
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His Divine Shadow posted:Trying out some possible coalitions here. Hoping I haven't fumbled with the numbers. You can add +1 to RKP for the Åland Islands representative who while not formally part of RKP is basically independent RKP seat.
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