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smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

He�s gonna get fully jezza�d

https://twitter.com/goldsteinbrooke/status/1642236498853392384?s=46&t=m_nNbkNoHG4lLitcpyHReg

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:06

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# ? May 25, 2024 21:04

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I think the problem is they spaffed their load on Corbyn over a few of the mildest things possible, so many people now think "antisemitism is when dodgy mural" or "antisemitism is when politician I don't like" or far more worrying "antisemitism is made up by Jews to feel special and aggrieved."

The absolute failure of the press to explain to people what antisemitism actually is has paved the way for worse, and now they're going to reheat that chicken.

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:11

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

Probably "a sting operation run by the whips", but the current law is so poorly worded that two sex workers sharing a flat and hiring a cleaning service would be classed as a brothel (with the maid/cleaner as the 'pimp', profiting from the sex work without engaging in it) so who knows.

It's actually worse than that - they don't need the cleaner. Any address that is used as a place of business by more than one sex worker is deemed to be a brothel even if they don't use it at the same time and never meet. If a touring escort stays in your Airbnb flat and recommends it to a friend for the same purpose, then congratulations! you're now a brothel-keeper.

However, I assume that both you and the article in question are talking about what sane people would describe as a brothel; that is, an establishment with a manager offering the sexual services of several women.

E: and if you want the real fun, the sex doesn't even have to be sold. If two women decide they want to be gangbanged and advertise free sex, they're still creating a brothel. It's absurd.

Jedit fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Apr 2, 2023

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:15

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

This is how it's always going to be. If there's any chance of a genuine opposition, the media will just gaslight the public into thinking they are Hitler.

This is how our country works

e: bonus lol

https://twitter.com/churnwell/status/1642636338003361793

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:16

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jedit posted:

It's actually worse than that - they don't need the cleaner. Any address that is used as a place of business by more than one sex worker is deemed to be a brothel even if they don't use it at the same time and never meet. If a touring escort stays in your Airbnb flat and recommends it to a friend for the same purpose, then congratulations! you're now a brothel-keeper.

However, I assume that both you and the article in question are talking about what sane people would describe as a brothel; that is, an establishment with a manager offering the sexual services of several women.

So you agree with him but are still trying to drag him over the coals? Seems a bit unnecessary

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:18

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

NotJustANumber99 posted:

So you agree with him but are still trying to drag him over the coals? Seems a bit unnecessary

No, because the legal definition of a brothel is not the same as the "where Tory MPs go to gently caress" definition.

Further notes on this story: it apparently happened during the second half of Boris's term, so probably in 2021. Have a think about which senior Tory might have been useful enough to them then that they'd cover it up, but is worth persuading to quietly step down in 2025. But almost certainly not Johnson himself, because he wouldn't be described as an MP while he was PM and if they wanted him thrown under the bus they'd need to name him.

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:30

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

It's actually worse than that - they don't need the cleaner. Any address that is used as a place of business by more than one sex worker is deemed to be a brothel even if they don't use it at the same time and never meet. If a touring escort stays in your Airbnb flat and recommends it to a friend for the same purpose, then congratulations! you're now a brothel-keeper.

However, I assume that both you and the article in question are talking about what sane people would describe as a brothel; that is, an establishment with a manager offering the sexual services of several women.

E: and if you want the real fun, the sex doesn't even have to be sold. If two women decide they want to be gangbanged and advertise free sex, they're still creating a brothel. It's absurd.

You're right, but the bit with the cleaner comes in when you start looking at 'control', which was introduced (I'm going to be charitable and assume with fair intent) to deal with the pimping and trafficking parts of it, but ended up so badly worded that a review of the law said

Current Sex Work Laws in England and Wales and Proposals for Reform posted:

The sheer breadth of what could constitute �control� leaves sex workers at a potentially even higher risk of harm. For example, landlords or people employed as maid or security for sex workers may deemed to be �in control� (and therefore liable) because they stand to gain from the prostitution as it provides their employment. This hugely restricts the degree of control a sex worker has in how and where they conduct their business and leaves them extremely vulnerable.

I'm sure I could imagine a scummy landlord being an actual pimp, but in many of those brothels it's more like a receptionist and a bouncer, and the same review states that those kind of brothels check ages and travel and at least attempt not to be a trafficking hellhole, but they're still treated the same by the legal system in a way that makes life worse for the workers.

Current Sex Work Laws in England and Wales and Proposals for Reform posted:

Generally, the street market has a lower age of entry*, because unlike in brothels, escort services and so on, there are no controls or limits imposed by managers or websites. Many brothels also will not employ sex workers with drug problems, and so these sex workers turn to the street market to finance their addiction.

*gently caress me that's some unfortunate phrasing :gonk:

My take is that the honourable gentleman who found himself trouserless at 4am probably managed to get clocked as an easy mark and relieved of not much but his wallet and pants, but it's impossible to tell with how bad the law is around that.

I'd only wonder why he didn't ring his solicitor instead of a fellow MP who could turn around and shop him to the national papers. Like why even be a fuckup wasteman MP if you're not going to have someone with professional privilege you can ask when you come around naked in or near an establishment?

# ? Apr 2, 2023 22:42

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jedit posted:

No, because the legal definition of a brothel is not the same as the "where Tory MPs go to gently caress" definition.

Further notes on this story: it apparently happened during the second half of Boris's term, so probably in 2021. Have a think about which senior Tory might have been useful enough to them then that they'd cover it up, but is worth persuading to quietly step down in 2025. But almost certainly not Johnson himself, because he wouldn't be described as an MP while he was PM and if they wanted him thrown under the bus they'd need to name him.

I meant you dragging guavanaut over the coals, not the tory... who I guess you mean is Hancock?

# ? Apr 2, 2023 23:02

The Question IRL: Jun 8, 2013; Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Given the timing of this story, it was probably a part of Matt Hancock's WhatsApp messages. And it's probably not him.

But could you imagine if it was? Like he sent a WhatsApp message that said

"Lord Havey BigTory, you have to help me.
A women said she wanted to rub up against my willy and I went back to her place. But it was full of big burly men. Probably Eastern Europeans. They took my clothes and my wallet.
You have got to come help me!"

And it gets published in a newspaper?

Glorious.

# ? Apr 2, 2023 23:26

WhatEvil: Jun 6, 2004; Can't get no luck.

OwlFancier posted:

To be honest I feel like a life skills class should probably focus on "figuring out how to do things" as a skill in and of itself, because if I want to know how to do something I just type it into youtube and there's someone who has made a helpful video on how to do it, which is how I pulled the light module out of my car to change a bulb and put it back in again, and then got asked to do the same thing for a friend who didn't feel up to typing it into youtube, on the basis that I already knew how.

I feel like a lot of people just assume they can't do things, and it's not limited to younger people either, I see it a tremendous amount in older people who just "can't do [x]" when in reality they're just looking at it and not really trying to learn how to do it, because the option is available to fob it off and/or get someone else to do it for them.

I've been able to do a lot of things just by being willing to have a go. Turns out a lot of stuff is pretty easy if you try.

I have told people many times that I don't actually have any expertise I just have a computer and the ability to watch youtube videos. Doesn't seem to deter them from assuming I can just somehow do things they can't. It's fair enough if it's a physical limitation for them but a lot of people seem to default to a state of self enforced helplessness when faced with relatively simple tasks.

I blame society, I'm sure it's intentional to stop people thinking about what else they could achieve by taking things into their own hands.

Yeah this is true. The bolded part applied to me big time - even though I'm a very practical person and have been for years - including being a professional woodworker, I'd never done any kind of DIY. I owned a house in the UK from 2012-2019 until I moved to Canada, and as that house was relatively new, I didn't do a single thing to it in the whole time I had it. Well, I suppose I changed out 2x toilet fill valves that had knackered - but I knew that was a relatively risk-free job since it was "Unscrew a thing, screw in a new thing" - though it did involve taking the cistern off the toilet which was a pain in the arse. Anyway, I digress.

I did buy, in about 2016, a set of railing thingies for the kitchen, from Ikea, which you're supposed to screw to the walls above your worktops, and then you can hang stuff off them, for more storage. I never got around to fitting them because I didn't know how stud walls were made up, what kind of fixings I would need, whether I would need to add some kind of reinforcement to hold the weight, what I would do with the plasterboard if I knackered it, etc.

I moved to Canada and ultimately in 2020 we bought a house that was built in 1985. Needed more stuff doing to it, which I was prepared to look into doing but was still kind of nervous of screwing something up... until we had a roof leak. I found water pissing through my ceiling, and knew I had to cut away the damaged plasterboard and work out where the leak was coming in from ASAP, so I just went at it. Found the leak, hired a roofer to fix that (since I didn't feel like falling off my roof)... but once you've done something as drastic as that, loads of other stuff seems easy. I even got the courage to repair the hole and plaster over it myself, despite never having done any plastering before. Plastering a ceiling is not easy, but I did a pretty decent job of it in the end. Just watched a load of youtube vids from a guy called "Vancouver Carpenter" who does lots of plastering (/drywalling as they call it over here).

So yeah, don't be scared, just look stuff up on youtube and give it a go.

# ? Apr 2, 2023 23:53

NotJustANumber99: Feb 15, 2012; somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

yeah its all doable.

I think the only thing maybe I should delegate to a professional is posting

# ? Apr 2, 2023 23:58

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

Children of Men is trending on twitter....

https://twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1642652353072361472

.... and so it begins

# ? Apr 3, 2023 00:01

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I meant you dragging guavanaut over the coals, not the tory... who I guess you mean is Hancock?

I didn't actually have a name in mind, but Hancock is not the worst guess. That said, the Tory MP in question apparently called a colleague who wasn't the best pick. At the time Hancock had notoriously broken the COVID regs to cop off with his new girlfriend, so you'd think he wouldn't be paying for it. As such Hancock was more likely to receive the call as The Question IRL suggested. Having broken the rules for sex would make him seem like a reasonable ear to a man finding himself in a similar predicament, and of course Hancock is a useless oval office under any circumstance.

The weird thing is: how did this person manage to lose their clothes but not the phone they used to make the call?

# ? Apr 3, 2023 00:48

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Starmer is so warm to people.

https://twitter.com/DoodleFlapper/status/1642658831502045185?s=20

Wonder if the press will be all over him for this (to a Labour Party member) like they were when Corbyn tried to ignore persistant journalists.
Reading some other comments, apparently she is also a member of USDAW who as a union support Starmer.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 01:30

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

OwlFancier posted:

To be honest I feel like a life skills class should probably focus on "figuring out how to do things" as a skill in and of itself, because if I want to know how to do something I just type it into youtube and there's someone who has made a helpful video on how to do it, which is how I pulled the light module out of my car to change a bulb and put it back in again, and then got asked to do the same thing for a friend who didn't feel up to typing it into youtube, on the basis that I already knew how.

I feel like a lot of people just assume they can't do things, and it's not limited to younger people either, I see it a tremendous amount in older people who just "can't do [x]" when in reality they're just looking at it and not really trying to learn how to do it, because the option is available to fob it off and/or get someone else to do it for them.

I've been able to do a lot of things just by being willing to have a go. Turns out a lot of stuff is pretty easy if you try.

I have told people many times that I don't actually have any expertise I just have a computer and the ability to watch youtube videos. Doesn't seem to deter them from assuming I can just somehow do things they can't. It's fair enough if it's a physical limitation for them but a lot of people seem to default to a state of self enforced helplessness when faced with relatively simple tasks.

I blame society, I'm sure it's intentional to stop people thinking about what else they could achieve by taking things into their own hands.

I am pretty sure the economy relies on this to function.

I never constructed a building before either but I gave it a try and it looks pretty good IMO, I loving hand hewed the logs that make up the roof beams, with an axe, that I rehung myself! If I went back in time and told 20 year old myself what I've done he would not believe me.

I lived most of my life until my late 20s feeling like "I am a generally incompetent person I know how to do X, but for anything else I need help from a professional". I feel like apartment / urban life excarbated this, there's something about that whole lifestyle I felt that boxed me into my role. I was an apartment dweller, I did X for a living and if I need Y I call a guy educated in that and that is how society is supposed to work. And where would I keep such tooling anyway in my not that small apartment of 75m2, on the top floor without an elevator.

I didn't break that mold until we found out we where having kids and we decided to move out to the countryside and build a house. I also then met a friend who is like the most incredible ultimate DIY'er, makes people like Adam Savage look like incompetent clowns who can't do anything without expensive equipment and they still act like unsafe clowns with it.

He really helped me get started and taught me the value of "correct thinking" about things, I was gonna buy some lovely table saw but he helped me find some old german saw that was a thousand times better I still have that saw. The value of 2nd hand quality over modern crap is now central to my thinking.

Since then I've learned woodworking, how to weld, machining, blacksmithing, basic electronics. When our dishwasher broke, I fixed it, I didn't create a catastrophic mess like a 90s sitcom dad.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 06:50

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

There�s a pretty big clue that it�s Hancock in the headline for it in the Mail

# ? Apr 3, 2023 07:04

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

fuctifino posted:

Children of Men is trending on twitter....

https://twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1642652353072361472

.... and so it begins

Pretty sure V for Vendetta also had the refugee / medical experimentation camp in Bexhill, could still be either timeline.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 07:47

Bobstar: Feb 8, 2006; KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

WhatEvil posted:

So yeah, don't be scared, just look stuff up on youtube and give it a go.

The other week I bought a new TV, using as an excuse the fact that the old one's backlight had gone purple and blotchy - and yes I wanted a bigger one, but also my brain also automatically goes "eeuh scary magic box, doesn't work = throw it away!"

Then I remembered that half of my day job is repairing electronics by swapping components, so I found a youtube video, somehow managed to order the correct LEDs, and successfully replaced them... until I damaged the LCD panel putting the frame back on. I was so upset, but it was worth a go. The annoying this is there probably won't be a "next time" I have to do that specific thing, but I guess I learned the lesson that LCD panels are even more fragile than you think.

In general, electronics have converged into being quite similar (some kind of power supply, some kind of control board, etc), rather than things like old CRT TVs which can give you a nasty shock if you touch the wrong bit. The big thing now is whether they can be usefully opened, or if it's all glued together in a big sticky mess.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 08:02

Chubby Henparty: Aug 13, 2007

Same, I was set to become The One To Turn To for replacing cracked phone screens until I royally hosed up my own one and don't dare touch them now.

e: love living in a world where you can say 'hold on I'll get my spudger'

Chubby Henparty fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Apr 3, 2023

# ? Apr 3, 2023 08:11

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Everybody knows, spudger loves starched rabatoes.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 08:22

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Starmer is so warm to people.

https://twitter.com/DoodleFlapper/status/1642658831502045185?s=20

Wonder if the press will be all over him for this (to a Labour Party member) like they were when Corbyn tried to ignore persistant journalists.
Reading some other comments, apparently she is also a member of USDAW who as a union support Starmer.

Every time I see Starmer in a photo he's staring away from everyone with that stupid smirk on his face. He's just a doll pretending to be human.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 08:48

domhal: Dec 30, 2008; 0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.

starmer_near_the_sea.webp

# ? Apr 3, 2023 09:05

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Hope the Mail reports on this vital take (or maybe they've put a post-it up after last time)
https://twitter.com/MichaelTakeMP/status/1642789754977517577

# ? Apr 3, 2023 09:51

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/churnwell/status/1642792919588388864

# ? Apr 3, 2023 09:58

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

*confused Unionist noises*

https://twitter.com/churnwell/status/1642795958894206976

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:00

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

Meanwhile in Bexhill

Apologies for the BF link, but....

https://twitter.com/BFirstParty/status/1642504399904702465

.... concentration camps for refugees are actually fine, but just not in my back yard

e: Sorry for posting one of my tweets, but there's a massive push on right wing media at the moment, and this point is important

https://twitter.com/stuwyatt/status/1642822080956702720

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Apr 3, 2023

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:24

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1642805612877602817

:allears:

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:40

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1642805003893997568?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Welp, there it is. Concentration camps are officially bipartisan.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:44

Sir Sidney Poitier: Aug 14, 2006; My favourite actor

He's a tory plant isn't he.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

No more than Tony Blair was. The grown ups are in charge and they actually want this.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 10:59

fuctifino: Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1642779595542765571

# ? Apr 3, 2023 11:12

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I thought it was a piece of piss to cross the channel anyway, you can just buy a blow up boat from the seaside shop and the French just wave everyone through without papers. Why would anyone queue at a port?

Or are the Express telling lies? :thunk:

# ? Apr 3, 2023 11:26

keep punching joe: Jan 22, 2006; Die Satan!

Sir Sidney Poitier posted:

He's a tory plant isn't he.

Nah he's a standard Labour Party MP.

The absolute boy was just a blip in the regular service.

# ? Apr 3, 2023 11:31

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

You should all check the rest of that thread, it's a train wreck from start to finish.

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1642810189102428161?t=2eyj0RkrqvT_kSOD2InMUQ&s=19

# ? Apr 3, 2023 11:40

1965917: Oct 4, 2005

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1642805003893997568?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Welp, there it is. Concentration camps are officially bipartisan.

Concentration camp Kieth goes onto emphasis that it would only be temporary.

But theres nothing more permanent than a temporary solution

# ? Apr 3, 2023 11:52