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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Finnish YLE, paraphrasing Reuters, is reporting that Russian milblogger Vladlen Tatarsky (Maxim Fomin) was killed by an explosion in a cafe in St. Petersburg where he was giving a speech. I'm not familiar with the milbloggers, is this guy notable enough in any way to warrant being blown up, or could this just be a conincidental accident?
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It's hard to say exactly how notable he was, but he was EXTREMELY unrepentant about Russian war crimes, glorying in how it was awesome that they could "rob and kill everyone they wanted" because they were in charge now. https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1575850093995257856
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Apr 2, 2023 20:20
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Stubb Dogg posted:According to Tass, he was given a statue with bomb hidden inside which then exploded in his hands. I guess his apartment was on the ground floor?
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Apr 2, 2023 23:49
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Cimber posted:I guess his apartment was on the ground floor? https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1642563446657933315?s=20
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Apr 2, 2023 23:55
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Ugh. I was more going that he could not fall down stairs or out his window.
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Apr 3, 2023 01:44
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No violence but moments before disaster https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1642566731141971973 Borscht fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 02:43
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do be aware there's a video going around of....the aftermath too
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Apr 3, 2023 02:44
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Yeah, not sure I want to watch that clip, even if nothing happens in it.
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Apr 3, 2023 02:49
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Crab Dad posted:The crew survived amazing. Holy poo poo, you weren't kidding
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Apr 3, 2023 05:27
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"Holy poo poo, You weren't kidding" is everything about that clip.
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Apr 3, 2023 05:46
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Cimber posted:Yeah, not sure I want to watch that clip, even if nothing happens in it. I'm not sure how much of a mess 200g of tnt (is that likely? Is tnt even used any more?) Makes but I take it everyone else in that cafe had a very bad day? That's...grim.
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Apr 3, 2023 08:37
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Roblo posted:I'm not sure how much of a mess 200g of tnt (is that likely? Is tnt even used any more?) Makes but I take it everyone else in that cafe had a very bad day? That's...grim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1xqzBnpas
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Apr 3, 2023 08:48
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Roblo posted:I'm not sure how much of a mess 200g of tnt (is that likely? Is tnt even used any more?) Makes but I take it everyone else in that cafe had a very bad day? That's...grim. TNT is still the primary explosive in most munitions, although it may be mixed with others like RDX. It's stable and high explosive, so it's pretty ideal for military applications.
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Apr 3, 2023 08:58
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Doesn't a grenade have about 180g/6 ounces of explosive in it? So it'd be about as powerful as a grenade and dude was probably holding it or sitting next to it.
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Apr 3, 2023 09:11
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Crab Dad posted:The crew survived amazing. guess it hit the fuel in the back so no carousel cookoff?
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Nessus posted:Doesn't a grenade have about 180g/6 ounces of explosive in it? So it'd be about as powerful as a grenade and dude was probably holding it or sitting next to it. There was a video of the outside of the cafe that i saw, and the entire front of the cafe seemed to fall apart with part of the roof collapsing. Not having dealt with explosives before I can't say if a slightly more powerful hand grenade would do that or not, but I'd guess not.
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Apr 3, 2023 13:26
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Yeah that didn't look grenade-sized at all from the video. It was a massive orangey explosion that blew out half a block of windows.
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Apr 3, 2023 13:46
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This (safe for work) video of a lighter fluid bottle exploding in a laundromat dryer wreaked much more havoc than I expected. I don't know its explosive equivalent but I would be surprised if it was more than a grenade https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/129fcns/laundering_day/
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I suspect its because grenades tend to use a specific construction where instead of a kaboom they're designed to convert that energy efficiently into many high speed pieces of metal. Less boom leftover for pyrotechnics in a grenade.
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Apr 3, 2023 13:53
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M_Gargantua posted:I suspect its because grenades tend to use a specific construction where instead of a kaboom they're designed to convert that energy efficiently into many high speed pieces of metal. Less boom leftover for pyrotechnics in a grenade. Also factor in that the explosion occurred in a confined space and the blast wave reflected off walls?
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Apr 3, 2023 14:04
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Cimber posted:Also factor in that the explosion occurred in a confined space and the blast wave reflected off walls? There's a massive difference between an explosion in a confined space and an explosion in an open field. If you atomized a bunch of grain and set it ablaze outside it'd be an interesting but brief gout of flame. Replicate the exact same conditions inside of a grain silo and you potentially have a mass casualty event. It's the same for high explosives, only more so.
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Apr 3, 2023 14:13
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A.o.D. posted:There's a massive difference between an explosion in a confined space and an explosion in an open field. If you atomized a bunch of grain and set it ablaze outside it'd be an interesting but brief gout of flame. Replicate the exact same conditions inside of a grain silo and you potentially have a mass casualty event. It's the same for high explosives, only more so. So would you say that 20g of TNT would produce an explosion as depicted in the videos of the shopfront?
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Apr 3, 2023 14:14
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Cimber posted:So would you say that 20g of TNT would produce an explosion as depicted in the videos of the shopfront? The number being thrown around is 200 grams, not 20.
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It's been a minute since I did demo, but I seem to recall a pound of TNT producing a pretty big explosion. 200g is about a half pound, and more than enough to kill someone standing next to it, especially if there's fragmentation from some kind of enclosure.
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Here's a better question, who pulled 200g out of their hat? Is that a deduction backwards from blast effect or volumetrics from whatever the gently caress it was stuffed in?
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I could probably make that scientific wild-rear end guess from blast effects and size of the thingy yeah.
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Second part of the T-section battle came out. The tank crushes the trench, soldiers down there are concussed or dead and don't move when the tank closes in. They don't have any AT grenades or anything to deal with the tank. It doesn't turn on top of them like the tanks in WW2, but goes back and forth. The bmp dismounts infantry. One guy in the dugout seems to have survived. UA soldiers are seen taking care of somebody. Judging from where the smoke that comes down on the far side back, it looks like there's russian positions that have a line of sight on that spot. The trench is gone in the end. I don't think it's safe to show it here.
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Having used gelignite back in the day when you didn't need a license to blow trees out of the ground, I can tell you for an absolute fact that anyone near that is fuckin' dead. 200 grams is pretty much a full stick, maybe a bit more.
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not caring here posted:Having used gelignite back in the day when you didn't need a license to blow trees out of the ground, I can tell you for an absolute fact that anyone near that is fuckin' dead. That dashcam video showing all the windows jumping out of their frames from the air overpressure says to me that anyone not already hosed up by the explosion is also having a bad, bad day.
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Overpressure is a motherfucker. One of the more interesting things that can happen is that the person looks most whole, but are a bag of melted jello. Their bones and skin might be intact, but the soft bits tenderized. Besides the fact it can kill, it does all sorts of bad poo poo to the body if you survive. Brain damage, organ damage (There are some studies to support the theory that exposure to overpressure cause long lasting breathing and GI tract problems- but there are always other issues so it becomes like PTSD/TBI: where does one end, and the other begin? ), ripping up your sinus cavity, causing eyeballs to rupture. If you're lucky, you end up mostly functional. If you are less so, you end up locked in your own brain, unable to communicate. Tried to avoid being blown up. It's kinda ungood for you. Because this seems like a reasonable place to share this- according to the Soviet accounts from the Afghan War, after deploying thermobarics into caves/dugouts/bunkers, they would find dudes with their lungs pulled out through their mouths. It was in one of Grau's books, I believe the Soviet General Staff College's "Soviet Afghan War"
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I mean, the explosion's in some kind of cafe or bar, right? Highly likely they've got gas for cooking, at least, so the initial blast of the statue might have just ignited other stuff that resulted in the effect we see in the video.
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Hypnobeard posted:I mean, the explosion's in some kind of cafe or bar, right? Highly likely they've got gas for cooking, at least, so the initial blast of the statue might have just ignited other stuff that resulted in the effect we see in the video. That doesn't appear to be what happens in the video though. Secondaries are usually pretty visible as secondaries. And with a gas line there'd need to be time for the gas to leak into the room and mix properly to explode. A gas line is full of gas and has no oxygen in it.
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CainFortea posted:That doesn't appear to be what happens in the video though. Secondaries are usually pretty visible as secondaries. And with a gas line there'd need to be time for the gas to leak into the room and mix properly to explode. A gas line is full of gas and has no oxygen in it. Fair 'nough.
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not caring here posted:Having used gelignite back in the day when you didn't need a license to blow trees out of the ground, I can tell you for an absolute fact that anyone near that is fuckin' dead. what about geligma
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Alan Smithee posted:what about geligma Commonly used by the Sugondese army
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Tunicate posted:Commonly used by the Sugondese army Mostly by soldiers in the GARGLON unit, whose call/response when saluting is “GARGLON BOFA” and “DEEZ NUTZ!”, respectively.
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There was a booth selling geligma at SAW CON last year
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Fragrag posted:This (safe for work) video of a lighter fluid bottle exploding in a laundromat dryer wreaked much more havoc than I expected. I don't know its explosive equivalent but I would be surprised if it was more than a grenade Bear in mind that fuel explosions produce fireballs like that while high explosive, like in a grenade, typically does not. There's one short, sharp BANG without fire and flame. The big, impressive fireballs you see from military weapons in movies are done using gasoline, to make them look big and impressive.
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I've said many times before (possibly in this thread) grenades look unimpressive when they go off. The results they produce are ghastly.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I've said many times before (possibly in this thread) grenades look unimpressive when they go off. shrapnel bad
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