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Paracaidas posted:Why in the hell are we posting Krassenstein? Is Weekly World News feed down? I think that's more than a bit unfair to the Weekly World News ; Bat Boy is a national treasure.
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Ynglaur posted:Emphasis mine. The thing is, it shouldn't be. He's a common civilian, being indicted for a civilian crime in a civilian court system. If we're serious about being a nation of laws, then the law must apply equally to all of us, regardless of social station or prior or even current office. I realize full-well that our justice system is too often unjust, but we propagate that injustice when we give any credence to the idea that "this is all new territory." There's no new case law being written here. There is… historical precedent for it to be bad to prosecute heads of state(ex and potential). There will be a conflation of the criminal prosecution with political prosecution. That carries a stability risk to the system, I mean that’s why Caesar crossed the Rubicon. The other side of that is the risk carried by your point. If this is a nation of laws, no one is above those laws. We make them meaningless if in such egregious cases these actions are ignored by society. There is real risk to the political system in prosecuting him. But personally I think it’s the smaller risk. Its much riskier to abandon entirely: “the law must apply equally to all of us”
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"leaders can execute crimes" is the worst precedent you can possibly set in any government. Instant spiral to total dysfunction. Break the political system entirely and start over from the ashes if we need to, but never let leaders do crime.
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Yeah it should be noticed there are countries (France and South Korea immediately spring to mind, Italy and Israel possibly as well) where it isn't unknown for ex leaders to be prosecuted for crimes. Those nations don't automatically collapse into tyranny and revolution.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:"leaders can execute crimes" is the worst precedent you can possibly set in any government. Instant spiral to total dysfunction. I would be cautious about being absolute and not just to your point but my own point. And this: “Break the political system entirely and start over from the ashes “ this is a very bad thing. Perhaps humans are messy train wrecks. Our institutions of governments reflect that we are messy train wrecks. We have to be in the messy train wreck, that is the normal state.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:"leaders can execute crimes" is the worst precedent you can possibly set in any government. Instant spiral to total dysfunction. lol yeah lets sacrifice society to make sure rule breaking doesn't happen. The reality is that Presidents regularly commit crimes, both domestically and internationally, and there has been a reluctance to actively prosecute those violations specifically because of how much doing so risks the current political order. Here we have a great example of taking a shot at the king - if they gently caress up it will be used as a weapon against many of our already weakened institutions by fascists and their supporters. It's an incredibly risky precedent to set and as such I really hope the Manhattan DA knows how deep the water is. This isn't to say that I don't think Trump should be charged, only that it's not some process that anyone involved should enter into casually or because of some idealized principals. There will be very real costs to this process and as of yet we have no idea who will bear the brunt of those costs.
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I don’t know anything about the legal team in question but I’m gonna assume they’re treating this case with above average vigilance when it comes to risk/cost analysis.
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When they book him, are they going to record and release his actual height and weight?
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Apr 4, 2023 17:40
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Sort of related. These loving guys   "Everything I don't like is unconstitutional" I really wish these judges would call these idiots on their bullshit and say " ok nevermind, straight to jail"
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Judge Schnoopy posted:"leaders can execute crimes" is the worst precedent you can possibly set in any government. Instant spiral to total dysfunction. Trump isn't the first President to commit crimes. He's just the dumbest President, which makes his crimes more obvious.
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Ringo Star Get posted:When they book him, are they going to record and release his actual height and weight? I hope so
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Grip it and rip it posted:I really hope the Manhattan DA knows how deep the water is. I wish the Stormy Daniels one hadn’t been the first one. It’s fortunate it’s not really being played as a prosecution for a sex scandal .
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It doesn't seem like there's any groundswell of support for trump on the street level At all
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Uglycat posted:It doesn't seem like there's any groundswell of support for trump on the street level It's Manhattan. There was a rally of about 100 people that MTG went to earlier. There are almost 3x as many counter protesters and almost 100 media there alone.
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Uglycat posted:It doesn't seem like there's any groundswell of support for trump on the street level Pretty sure they all convinced themselves that this was a honeypot trap for loyal Trump supporters and decided not to show up.
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Oracle posted:Pretty sure they all convinced themselves that this was a honeypot trap for loyal Trump supporters and decided not to show up. Yeah. They'd rather not actually get off the couch to help him but instead just set up automatic payments to his campaign accounts every time a new email comes in.
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Apr 4, 2023 18:50
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Discendo Vox posted:I'd want to know the source of the image, but I think that's just someone standing behind him facing the other way. The physical site is accurate to life and the image has a number of features that AI doesn't (and probably can't) replicate without effectively being handheld to produce them. there's also something wrong with his right arm and while it's true the world's worst misshapen dwarf could lean back into this guy, I fear I'll have to go with Occam's Razor here and assume this is a fake
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Libluini posted:there's also something wrong with his right arm What do you mean something wrong with his arm?
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Apr 4, 2023 19:25
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Libluini posted:there's also something wrong with his right arm Occam's Razor doesn't suggest it's a fake. I haven't seen an AI image generator that can generate text that actually says things. I feel like it's also not going to generate a poster making a reference to the Salem witch trials and then partially obscure it. I also don't think it's going to generate a camera setup with a wireless flash transmitter and then a Profoto flash.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:26
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Libluini posted:there's also something wrong with his right arm Or, we could ask cr0y where they got it.
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Apr 4, 2023 19:33
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Discendo Vox posted:Or, we could ask cr0y where they got it. It was from... Someone reputable on Twitter that is on the ground reporting. I'm not being coy, I can't remember who tweeted it. E: found it, yea the dudes feet are fine, I just grabbed a quick crop of it https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1643258630215442432?t=B4YtSkaurSVyqQ72PfohqA&s=19
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also that's the same lady who tried to destroy the "trump lied" flag. so it's probably just a guy behind him
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Fart Amplifier posted:Occam's Razor doesn't suggest it's a fake. This is the key. As far as I know, no one's paired an image-creating AI with anything that can do a Natural Language Processing task. And even if they did, the gold-standard for NLP is absolute poo poo in regards to approximating writing.
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cr0y posted:It was from... Someone reputable on Twitter that is on the ground reporting. I'm not being coy, I can't remember who tweeted it. The guy on the right is Michael Picard aka Professional Douche on youtube and his channel is hilarious. He trolls right wing political and police rallies. https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessionalDouche
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Is there a favorite livestream on youtube to watch for news
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Libluini posted:there's also something wrong with his right arm It looks like he's holding his water bottle with a couple fingers so it makes his hand look weird.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's Manhattan. There's probably no single place in the entire US that despises Trump more personally or universally than Manhattan, yeah.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:There is… historical precedent for it to be bad to prosecute heads of state(ex and potential). There will be a conflation of the criminal prosecution with political prosecution. That carries a stability risk to the system, I mean that’s why Caesar crossed the Rubicon. I agree. Brett Devereaux (a very-online historian) made a thoughtful point that you can argue that one of the reasons Caesar crossed the Rubicon was that the Roman state failed for so long to hold him to account for his many crimes. By the time they decided to do so, it was too late.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is there a favorite livestream on youtube to watch for news This CBS stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMT4KWdc4E has a guy inside the courtroom who said it was 34 counts of falsifying business records. Nothing too exciting.
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Still waiting on indictment readout but it'll be here within ten minutes, just be patient everyone. Go eat a sandwich. You're hungry!
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Uglycat posted:It doesn't seem like there's any groundswell of support for trump on the street level That’s great news.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There's probably no single place in the entire US that despises Trump more personally or universally than Manhattan, yeah.
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God it would've been so funny if he plead guilty. Just the purest anti-climax as he taps the mic, looks around and says, "Whelp... Looks like you done caught old T-Dawg after all. Good job, guys. Seemed touch and go there for a bit, but you brought it in at the end of the day."
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Also seeing twitterings about conspiracy but can't find anything specific.
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Apr 4, 2023 20:05
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There's one conspiracy charge and all the rest are falsifying business records. Conspiracy is not really surprising at all if they are including the McDougal and AMI stuff.
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Apr 4, 2023 20:06
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Jr is truthing about the judges daughter on truth social. To be specific calling out an article Breitbart wrote. 
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cr0y posted:Jr is truthing about the judges daughter on truth social. To be specific calling out an article Breitbart wrote. Their goals are going to doxx any and all people involved to get their MAGA followers to issue threats and put pressure on them. Of course this means we’ll see more people getting arrested for being a Trump fanboy so I’m all for it.
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Ynglaur posted:I agree. Brett Devereaux (a very-online historian) made a thoughtful point that you can argue that one of the reasons Caesar crossed the Rubicon was that the Roman state failed for so long to hold him to account for his many crimes. By the time they decided to do so, it was too late. eh, the lessons of marius and especially sulla were absorbed by caesar's from a young age. it's not like the rules and norms of the republic were weakened specifically for him, he didn't do anything more than take one more step than those who proceeded him.
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