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bird. posted:Wait is there a goon community now for this game I can play w/? I got thief up to about as far as you could go singleplayer but struggled to find other players Yes! We have our own linkshell that stays decently active with a few people on at most hours! We always wants more. Contacting Revanchism (me), Gweenz, or Dathom is generally your best bet for a quick pearl. Currently ingame right now.
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Just had another dude tell me "no /nin for a DRK is understandable". I was talking about it in the linkshell earlier but it just makes very little sense compared to leaning into my strengths. The bonus to survival can be compensated for with third eye and some awareness of aggro (which means I have to pull my punches but whatever). It just seems silly that this minority of people is saying this is the way when every guide and advice I've ever read says differently. I'll stay the course and if it costs me a group here and there so be it. There will be others.
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Fangthane posted:Just had another dude tell me "no /nin for a DRK is understandable". I was talking about it in the linkshell earlier but it just makes very little sense compared to leaning into my strengths. The bonus to survival can be compensated for with third eye and some awareness of aggro (which means I have to pull my punches but whatever). It just seems silly that this minority of people is saying this is the way when every guide and advice I've ever read says differently. I'll stay the course and if it costs me a group here and there so be it. There will be others. I'm guessing your healer said that. Some people just expect DRKs to take one for the team and die, some see DRK death as a sign of player not doing what they're supposed to. It happens (especially in endgame), but in reality deaths in a pickup party are not good for the flow of xp and and player stress levels. Healers stress out when they see melees go in the red. Some people are drawing their information from NA launch and their experiences playing to 75 cap (me), some people are drawing from their experiences playing retail when the cap was 99 (not me), some are pulling information from guides or from other private servers like Eden and Wings. On this version of the game I'm finding TP gain is most important because with the bonuses to magic bursts parties are looking to skillchain. This means prioritizing accuracy over straight damage and keeping the mob pasted in place so the WS's don't get thrown off or get the black mage killed. Thfs are really good here and having a good thf and a good tank is going to make far more of a difference than any sub you choose. You can help out your thf and tank as much as possible but for the most part they control the fights. /SAM /THF /WAR /NIN all have their uses, but /nin sub here is definitely the weakest I've seen in any version of this game. If a mob uses an aoe tp move and wipes your shadows then spins on you /nin sub is virtually useless and you're dead. But against single targeting slow hitting mobs like crabs it can work pretty well and the thf can SATA on you (but probably shouldn't). /NIN was not widely used in 75 cap retail and that is where it would have been strongest, hell even aoe moves and spells didn't wipe shadows on NA launch that was added later as a nerf to ninja. If you're paying attention to and managing your own hate level you are way way beyond the effort most damage dealers put into the game. Just ignore the gripers and subjob consultants and if it gets to be too much just ask for a replacement. I'd much rather play with players who are friendly and putting some effort in over a Type A who is looking to maximize xp at the cost of people's stress level. Gorson fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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I mean if they were talking about like.. Dynamis or a meripo without a tank there might be an expectation of all the DD going /NIN.. but in a normal rear end leveling party?  That said, I do remember doing Lesser/regular Colibri parties with DRKs vaguely recently on Eden, and having them pop Last Resort, Souleater, do a multi hit WS then immediately die to Pecking Flurry and an auto going through Third Eye and like... it was not even remotely a one time occurrence, don't do that. Gorson posted:If you're paying attention to and managing your own hate level you are way way beyond the effort most damage dealers put into the game. Just ignore the gripers and subjob consultants and if it gets to be too much just ask for a replacement. I'd much rather play with players who are friendly and putting some effort in over a Type A who is looking to maximize xp at the cost of people's stress level. I left a random LS I got an invite to early on at the start of the server, was a group of people from Nas with some very weird and strongly held opinions about things and it was nowhere near worth the exhaustive effort to even attempt to talk to them. From the guy who said he refuses to heal any "blood tanks" at any level of content, to just the vast amount of THINGS WORK LIKE THIS and just, not on retail, and not on this server, only on Nas, and their weird refusal to accept that Horizon has custom rules for certain things. "They wouldn't DARE nerf RDM" "Bro they already did, Convert's CD is-" "They wouldn't DARE nerf RDM" Dealing with loud "veterans" makes the game way less fun, receptive newbies are much more enjoyable at all levels of play.
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I've had people tell me that Viper Bite doesn't stack with SATA, so I fire off a 700 Viper Bite and ask them how it could possibly do so much damage if it doesn't stack. No answer but they did double down on their claim. Not backing down in the face of overwhelming evidence, not sure what more I can do there.
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bird. posted:Wait is there a goon community now for this game I can play w/? I got thief up to about as far as you could go singleplayer but struggled to find other players Welcome to the LS! Consider soloing all the way to 20 or so and avoiding the early party experience which might give you a very bad impression of the game in general. My advice for a new brand new thf (and this is against the meta for sure but was commonly used back in retail) is to sub MNK: 1. You're poor! Weapons are expensive on this game but hand-to-hand weapons are always very cheap. 2. You're not level 30 yet. /NIN is arguably the "best" for tp generation and utility, especially if you're pulling, but until you get 30 it's locked. Subbing /MNK gives you Boost, Martial Arts (increases speed of hand to hand attacks), Subtle Blow (fewer enemy TP moves) and Counter at MNK 10. That is a crazy good set of abilities at low level for both solo and party xp. 3. Combo stacks with Sneak Attack and Boost. Go back a page or two to see one of my combos even in crap gear. 4. It's just fun. You get to beat on things with your fists and play with a bunch of abilities at a low level. It makes the job feel more "advanced". As you get closer to 25/30 it does begin to lose effectiveness because of THF's E rating in hand-to-hand, but this isn't an issue when soloing or in parties at lower levels. This said, it's always best to have both dagger and sword leveled because some parties will want to skillchain off them. You'll want to switch entirely to dagger by 30 if not a little earlier.
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Casual reminder that the Riverne Sites are some of the comfiest zones in the game. bird. posted:Wait is there a goon community now for this game I can play w/? I got thief up to about as far as you could go singleplayer but struggled to find other players Depending on your level, I have a very low level SAM and slightly less low SMN who I'm slowly raising up.
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Gorson posted:On this version of the game I'm finding TP gain is most important because with the bonuses to magic bursts parties are looking to skillchain. This means prioritizing accuracy over straight damage I mean ideally you should have a TP set that prioritizes haste/accuracy and a WS set that prioritizes damage stats. That's kind of how the game works. Gearswap (or whatever the ashita equivalent is called) is packaged in the launcher even. I'm not saying you need a full set of each but at least swap between accuracy rings and strength rings or something.
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Kongming posted:I mean ideally you should have a TP set that prioritizes haste/accuracy and a WS set that prioritizes damage stats. That's kind of how the game works. Gearswap (or whatever the ashita equivalent is called) is packaged in the launcher even. I'm not saying you need a full set of each but at least swap between accuracy rings and strength rings or something. Very much this. Something to note as well is that the first hit of a weapon skill gets a pretty nice bump in accuracy and damage, so single hit WS generally need little to no accuracy in the gear set, while something that's multi hit greatly benefits from additional accuracy and such as trying to get every hit of the WS to land is where you'll get the most bang for your buck. Sneak Attack also guarantees the first hit of a WS to land (and critical for main job THF), so depending on what you're doing, more reason to have a fully stacked attack WS gear set.
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I guess it's not unexpected to run into grognards on a retro private server, but my experience with them has been minimal so far. I run a war/thf and nobody has given me poo poo for my gear choice. I literally went 32 levels without any earrings, belt or cape. I did keep my weapon and armor reasonably up to date. For the most part I just hit thing hard from behind and skillchain. Nobody cared that I didn't eat food or didn't swap gear mid fight, in fact I have yet to see ANY of the latter. Somebody started caring not long after I began eating food (mid 30's, cheap +str meat) and they told me to eat a different food (expensive +acc sushi). They gave me half a stack of theirs. There was one time I was asked to pre-tank, basically just start with provoke on a pull until the thief positions themselves behind the real tank to do their trick attack thing, it's supposed to displace the aggro the thief would've done onto the main tank. It sort of worked I guess, but the actual tank could've just plain old tanked and I don't think anything would've been different.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I guess it's not unexpected to run into grognards on a retro private server, but my experience with them has been minimal so far. I run a war/thf and nobody has given me poo poo for my gear choice. I literally went 32 levels without any earrings, belt or cape. I did keep my weapon and armor reasonably up to date. The human RSE gear would be good for you. They are 4 pieces that are easily quest-able at your level, and if you don't want them or outgrow them they sell for a good amount on the AH. https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Custom_Armor_Set_(Hume_Male) Those hands are extremely good for you and the body is too. The other two not as much but could be kept for a caster or just sold on the AH. According to the timer male Hume starts in about 14 hours and is in Ordelles which I've always found easiest: https://www.pyogenes.com/ffxi/timer/v2.html I can help you with those if you want, I like doing RSE. The key mobs you need to kill in Ordelles will check EP at the highest to you. On the pre-tanking thing, this is to help your THF do maximum damage and keep hate pasted on the tank, but it's highly dependent on the tank not being the first one to provoke or spam hate abilities until you can setup for the SATA (Sneak Attack + Trick Attack). It has to be done as quickly as possible, so if you are provoking first do it quickly then position the mob in front of you and don't move. The tank should move quickly to the opposite side of you. The rest is on the thf, if he pre-SATA'd he will move behind the tank, engage auto attack, and his first hit will apply all the hate on the tank who then provokes and the fight starts. The thf might be skillchaining with someone and waiting on his tp or his SC partner's tp, so some fights you might be getting beat on at the start. This would be a good time to engage Defender and drop Berserk if it is up. Again as long as you provoked quickly and positioned yourself quickly you've done all you can and it's up to the thf and tank. There are other times where the thf will want to SATA onto you mid-fight. This isn't exactly ideal but sometimes how the thf's timing works out, so be ready for it. Incidentally this is the reason many warriors sub /nin, it's less damage overall but very good at mitigating damage at the start of the fight. When you have a thf in your party, always stand opposite the tank unless you are not the SATA partner, in that case you want to stack on the tank so your high damage doesn't spin the mob towards you. The thf has to be behind the mob for his SATA to apply. E: THF gets assassin at 50 on this server, after that it gets less complicated. Gorson fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Yeah even later levels people still don't care if you're efficiently gear swapping or have TheBestEquipment. As long as you get your AF and keep your weapons up to date then most people won't give a single poo poo - just use food, do SC's and be smart about enmity and no one will say a thing. Acc food is by far the most important thing for a melee DD over most equipment. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Freakazoid_ posted:I guess it's not unexpected to run into grognards on a retro private server, but my experience with them has been minimal so far. I run a war/thf and nobody has given me poo poo for my gear choice. I literally went 32 levels without any earrings, belt or cape. I did keep my weapon and armor reasonably up to date. These things don't matter that much at lower levels but they start mattering a lot more when your gear options expand at later levels and endgame. Food though you can eat meat jerky which you can buy for 600 gil a stack from a vendor and see a noticeable increase in damage so there's really no excuse to not eat food. It's a button you push once every 30 minutes.
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yeah always eat food. especially at low levels if you can budget in something like meat mithkabobs it makes a really big difference. the first tank provoke thing is pretty common. in a smooth party the whole SATA strategy helps a lot with keeping hate on the tank in the face of tons of damage being dealt, but it can be a fracture point in a borderline-bad party if either the thief or the tank is incompetent, an rear end in a top hat, or both. most of the parties that i've had where people were constantly complaining or where it dissolved outright due to social conflict were related to SATA poo poo
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I didn't start buying sushi until just recently, and even then I don't buy "the good stuff" and just use squid. It's an easy 10-13k a stack depending on AH fluctuation so not having it at your level is understandable. I used meat mithkabobs for a long time until my fishing skill got high enough to make regular sushi obtainable. Kong is right though about the jerky. it's really cheap, vendor purchased, and will cause an uptick in your damage. In terms of gear, I think it was my first sync party where I had no gear. I sold it all after getting to 16 or 20 or something and only had an axe after the sync. The party laughed at me, but we carried on like normal and it was fine. Find a gil grind you like, save your gil, upgrade your stuff as you can. Use your conquest points to fill in holes or to sell on the AH if you're not planning to use them for other things.
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As a healer, 8/10 parties I'm in are way too slow on SATA on pull strats and make it just a net loss, especially bad when there's a PLD waiting to spam the poo poo out of Flash. It works great when it works, and at least in retail SATA was pretty key for anyone trying to hold hate on a large boss, but man I don't look forward to parties trying to do it on every pull. Just open for the THF to close with a SATA WS, people rarely gently caress that up these days. A cheap attack food is going to serve you so a ton even in like Dunes/Bubu parties, just a few hundred gil for hours of very noticeably better performance. PrinnySquad fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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It's really funny that they give you some beef jerky- which lasts like zero time- and then immediately ask you to assess the market value of a bunch of food that lasts like 4x as long without telling you that. I was really hesitant to buy any until I tried one and was like "oh this is fine"
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If you're ever not sure about food, this historical wiki page should have everything in CoP era: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Food_Effects?oldid=173464
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So apparently version "1.1" is coming very soon. Is anything known about what's in it?
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Carmant posted:So apparently version "1.1" is coming very soon. Is anything known about what's in it? Next week on the 14th and nothing concrete. Dropped hints about class balancing (bst likely, polearms maybe) but otherwise it's mostly silent. The important conquest change went through before last reset which I believe was initially part of the update .
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I'm 40 on bst now and last night was my window for RSE so I did some spelunking in Gusgen mines and got all 4 pieces. Was pretty awesome getting 4 great pieces of gear for about 2 hours of work. Are there any other cool quests like that which are pretty rewarding? I know there are class artifact armor quests that I can get started on soon.
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r0rb posted:I'm 40 on bst now and last night was my window for RSE so I did some spelunking in Gusgen mines and got all 4 pieces. Was pretty awesome getting 4 great pieces of gear for about 2 hours of work. Are there any other cool quests like that which are pretty rewarding? I know there are class artifact armor quests that I can get started on soon. Here's one (e: Tenshodo Rep 4 needed): https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Faded_Promises Also if you have not done it yet every job gets an AF weapon at level 40, they used to be bad but some have been buffed on this server. Doing this quest unlocks the other AF quests at 50: https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Wings_of_Gold Gorson fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Carmant posted:So apparently version "1.1" is coming very soon. Is anything known about what's in it? >Fixed a bug where sometimes a mob would live after being hit with a Sneak Attack Wasp Sting
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Easter event is going on. Did my work to get the range slot eggs and could not be arsed to do the rest of it. Had a crisis moment where I felt bad working on SMN/WHM when my DRK still needed to be leveled. But hell it's a video game. Just have fun.
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Organized a Castle O coffer key run that slowly kept adding more people until we had an alliance mauling things. 5 RDM, 2 BRD and a MNK trying get his testimony, got a key and/or testimony for everyone.
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I'm getting some CoP content done, currently on 4-2. This content seems to have been tuned down a bit but it's hard to remember. 2-5 was very easy, the Minotaur here isn't much stronger than the other IT taurs around the area. 3-3 is mostly just running around with the climb up the mountain being exactly as ridiculous as I remember, but you do get 30 minutes to do it. Diabolos was also quite easy, setup was pld mnk mnk thf bst (me) and whm. Not exactly ideal without a stun but we made it through. Both the mnk's 2 hours were mostly negated by Nightmare. He also spams a sleepga so bring poison potions. The tiles only fell once, I remember this happening more.Fangthane posted:But hell it's a video game. Just have fun.
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Anyone else interested in coordinating some Amphibian Assault runs?
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PrinnySquad posted:Anyone else interested in coordinating some Amphibian Assault runs? It's a very easy bcnm - Tank + BLM + Support + 3 DD trivializes it and there's usually a good chunk of people willing to run it because it's such great money. Just have to make sure at least one person has a paintbrush and lantern.
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PrinnySquad posted:All very good reasons to coordinate with goons if possible if anyone is looking to burn seals for profit. I would looove to but going 1/8 on PP, 0/4 on flies (had to pay a caster in the party for their pin drop since I didn't want to keep running it and blowing seals) and 0/4 on UO has destroyed a once proud seal empire.
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PrinnySquad posted:All very good reasons to coordinate with goons if possible if anyone is looking to burn seals for profit. What's the minimum level? Never did a BCNM but willing to if I can help
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:What's the minimum level? Never did a BCNM but willing to if I can help Amphibian Assault is a BCNM60 so lv60 cap and 60 seals per orb. It's run specifically because it has a guaranteed drop of one elemental ore which is used to make the elemental staves. The cheapest ore drop is ~90k with the highest being ~450k with the average gain per run being ~250k Rynoto fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Gorson posted:I would looove to but going 1/8 on PP, 0/4 on flies (had to pay a caster in the party for their pin drop since I didn't want to keep running it and blowing seals) and 0/4 on UO has destroyed a once proud seal empire. 1/8 on PP isn't too bad based on what I've heard from others!
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I'll run AA anytime. Drop me a line on dathom. I'm sitting on about 350 seals that I need to do something with. I also was looking at running a KSNM sometime to try and get a gravedigger scythe if anyone else is looking to get a weapon skill points weapon.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Those drop rates sound abysmal. I thought about doing UO for the peacock charm but not anymore! Might as well save them for AA. PCC is absolutely worth doing for all melee and is an endgame item along with OHat. Increasing accuracy is one the best dps increases as it also allows for more WS usage. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Between the big 3 items people go for (leaping boots, emperor hairpin and pcc) on most melee characters, PCC is by far the one that actually gets used the most / longest. 10 acc on your neck enables you to more easily do things like leave your Raja's on for multi hit WS and is very nice. Honestly something I'd probably use on a melee most of the time regardless until we get Chivvy Chains in TOAU (also in TOAU, BLU LOVES having a PCC.)
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Emp pin by far has the best drop rate I would guess upwards of 25%. I believe my runs went 2/6, 2/4, 4/6 and 3/4. Yeah it can safely be low manned with good players. PCC is around 8-10%, boots about the same I'd say. These should be the rare items and the world items should be rare/ex, and I say this as someone who has made millions in the past camping those NMs. If anyone wants to run any of these just let me know I'll go along just to help out which saves a bunch of time. They're really easy. However as others have said if you're 40+ spend them all trying to get a PCC before the other two. Freakazoid_ posted:Those drop rates sound abysmal. I thought about doing UO for the peacock charm but not anymore! Might as well save them for AA. As a warrior the boots and pin aren't that great for you, just ok. The PCC is very good and the cost of the rare item is 3M+, I think it's worth at least a few shots at it.
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