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LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

Loss (of lift)

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charliemonster42
Sep 14, 2005


FrozenVent posted:

Is this Loss?

Not an empty quote

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

LostCosmonaut posted:

Loss (of lift)

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Nature's Spoiler

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
How about no?

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/travel-news-cabin-concepts-busiest-airports/index.html

If there's a fire on one side of the aircraft, you don't want an impassible bulkhead in the loving way.

Also, flight attendants aren't going to want to have to drill on three different evac procedures for each cabin.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

BIG HEADLINE posted:

How about no?

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/travel-news-cabin-concepts-busiest-airports/index.html

If there's a fire on one side of the aircraft, you don't want an impassible bulkhead in the loving way.

Also, flight attendants aren't going to want to have to drill on three different evac procedures for each cabin.

“Would you like the window seat with the window, or the window seat with the advertisements?”

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
lol, you're jammed into a CRJ seat but the flight is 10 hours long and also your airplane was designed by Satan himself.

I bet they could make each of those a 3-2 or a 3-3 configuration by combining it with the "seats face each other and your knees interleave" seating plan.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Best Friends posted:

“Would you like the window seat with the window, or the window seat with the advertisements?”

"This view was brought to you by Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr...gently caress YOU, you're flying!"

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
pulled this quote up from a linked article

quote:

Every year the Crystal Cabin Awards showcase innovative ideas that reconceptualize the airplane cabin experience. There are eight categories, with awards spotlighting everything from eco-friendly innovations – such as an AI-based food waste app idea from German airline Lufthansa – to next generation concepts straight from the university classroom.

my guess is someone doesn't know about air cargo, and that more than just your checked bag goes in the bottom half of the plane

also it came from an architecture and urban design firm so I imagine they're not even the slightest bit interested in feasibility

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Psion posted:

pulled this quote up from a linked article

my guess is someone doesn't know about air cargo, and that more than just your checked bag goes in the bottom half of the plane

also it came from an architecture and urban design firm so I imagine they're not even the slightest bit interested in feasibility

Ticket class: Economy Minus
Seat assignment: cargo pod 7B

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Ticket class: Economy Minus
Seat assignment: cargo pod 7B

if i can stretch out and i can bring my sleeping bag, sign me right up.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Sagebrush posted:

if i can stretch out and i can bring my sleeping bag, sign me right up.

I don't need a window, I just need working and usable WiFi. :colbert:

In-flight internet makes 5-7h flights quite literally fly by. Shitpostin' at FL370.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That thing looks more comfortable than a United 757.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/people_aviation/status/1641029110523736065

Ehh I don't think so

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Watch the PAPI lights turn white as the pilot scooches just over the glide slope.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
That’s why you gotta read all the NOTAMs

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

Best Friends posted:

“Would you like the window seat with the window, or the window seat with the advertisements?”

i'm frankly shocked that a carrier like Spirit or Ryan hasn't already replaced the windows with screens

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

`Nemesis posted:

i'm frankly shocked that a carrier like Spirit or Ryan hasn't already replaced the windows with screens

Be useful for flights that cross over the polar ice (what's left of it).

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

`Nemesis posted:

i'm frankly shocked that a carrier like Spirit or Ryan hasn't already replaced the windows with screens

how would that save money?

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

Sagebrush posted:

how would that save money?

idk if it could save any money on the order/build, but it would allow them to display adverts, and it seems dystopian enough to happen these days

edit: plz pay $5 to activate the "window"

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
It happened for awhile last year on commuter rail in Ontario - the windows on trains were partly covered on the inside to promote online sports gambling.

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2022/06/people-ontario-are-completely-fed-sports-betting-ads-taking-over/

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

Not sure if this is thread appropriate, but Montemayor puts out solid animated battle map videos. His latest is on the carrier battle of the Eastern Solomons. Always fascinating to see how the fog of war complicated the already complex logistics of putting fighting planes on boats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=571OpfoyZXg

There's also a bonus at the end.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


`Nemesis posted:

idk if it could save any money on the order/build, but it would allow them to display adverts, and it seems dystopian enough to happen these days

edit: plz pay $5 to activate the "window"

Delete your post before some exec sees it and puts locks on the blinds.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Sagebrush posted:

how would that save money?

Doesn't adding windows require adding weight and machining complexity? A plane window is far heavier than an equivalent sized LCD.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



SlowBloke posted:

Doesn't adding windows require adding weight and machining complexity? A plane window is far heavier than an equivalent sized LCD.

Possibly, but structurally changing a standard airbus or Boeing type from spec is expensive on a different level

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Start with a freighter maybe?

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Possibly, but structurally changing a standard airbus or Boeing type from spec is expensive on a different level

I've always wondered what the guy spent to get the wings on his 737 BBJ shortened so he could land it at Aspen.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

SlowBloke posted:

Doesn't adding windows require adding weight and machining complexity? A plane window is far heavier than an equivalent sized LCD.

The ongoing MX is a much bigger factor. There’s a rea$on converted freighter$ omit the pa$$enger window$ and purpo$e built freighter$ don’t have them at all.

Windows on a pressure vessel are a lot more expensive to maintain than you’d think at first glance.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.
Here's a hypothetical for the thread. If you were designing from scratch a passenger airliner specifically for Spirit or Frontier or Ryanair, with the overriding goal of squeezing down per-seat operating costs as much as possible, what would it look like? Assume the development costs are written off.

No windows? Unpressurized? Standing room only?

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
You know how a garbage truck has a giant hydraulic ram that compacts all the trash so that it can fit more trash?

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!

Sagebrush posted:

Here's a hypothetical for the thread. If you were designing from scratch a passenger airliner specifically for Spirit or Frontier or Ryanair, with the overriding goal of squeezing down per-seat operating costs as much as possible, what would it look like? Assume the development costs are written off.

No windows? Unpressurized? Standing room only?

700 passenger all-economy A380 design.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Salami Surgeon posted:

You know how a garbage truck has a giant hydraulic ram that compacts all the trash so that it can fit more trash?

Yes. A big issue is the downtime during boarding so I think the solution is palletize the passenger and load through the cargo ramp. Than compact.



hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Sagebrush posted:

Here's a hypothetical for the thread. If you were designing from scratch a passenger airliner specifically for Spirit or Frontier or Ryanair, with the overriding goal of squeezing down per-seat operating costs as much as possible, what would it look like? Assume the development costs are written off.

No windows? Unpressurized? Standing room only?

The question becomes how many regulations can we ignore. I think no windows and “standing room” would be prohibited.

There are weird “half standing” concepts every once in a while that are kind of like a standing roller coaster. I think you’d hit the practical exit limit on an aircraft first and if you needed to throw in more doors you may as well use normal seats.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Standing is hard, so lay everyone down instead. Japanese pod hotel basically. And/or beehive.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


Sagebrush posted:

Here's a hypothetical for the thread. If you were designing from scratch a passenger airliner specifically for Spirit or Frontier or Ryanair, with the overriding goal of squeezing down per-seat operating costs as much as possible, what would it look like? Assume the development costs are written off.

No windows? Unpressurized? Standing room only?

mobby_6kl posted:

Yes. A big issue is the downtime during boarding so I think the solution is palletize the passenger and load through the cargo ramp. Than compact.

HookedOnChthonics posted:

Leaked photo from a Ryanair R&D facility—

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Standing is hard, so lay everyone down instead. Japanese pod hotel basically. And/or beehive.

Around 200 years ago there was a group very interested in solving the problem of fitting as many people laying down as possible into a confined space

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


any seating arrangement is tolerable with enough benzos

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005

0-#01

mobby_6kl posted:

Yes. A big issue is the downtime during boarding so I think the solution is palletize the passenger and load through the cargo ramp. Than compact.





Are those just one long "seat belt" strapping 4 people to the floor of a plane?

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

mobby_6kl posted:

Yes. A big issue is the downtime during boarding so I think the solution is palletize the passenger and load through the cargo ramp. Than compact.





Hm, lots of wasted space above their heads still

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`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
just have multiple decks

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