|
airgapped for maximum security, material usage, and also heat loss in winter I realize it’s probly a function of maximizing use of the footprint but lmao
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:26 |
|
|
# ? May 25, 2024 01:32 |
|
Gunshow Poophole posted:airgapped for maximum security, material usage, and also heat loss in winter It's so it technically counts as a single family home instead of a rowhouse. And it is extremely stupid.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:35 |
|
I thought the gaps between buildings was for fire safety. That's Chicago lore
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:42 |
|
Not the most efficient design but it's still better than nearly any other kind of SFH. And if the gaps can convince more people to live that close together, that's a good bridge to better design.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:44 |
|
Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:It's so it technically counts as a single family home instead of a rowhouse. And it is extremely stupid. That was built in the 1890s, I don't think there was any such distinction or any reason to create such a distinction back then. Zoning laws were still about thirty years away.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 15:56 |
|
Gunshow Poophole posted:Whatthe fucj just have them share a wall holy poo poo this is the dumbest style of building That's so you can drag your garbage cans to the curb without taking them through the house. It's also so you can have ventilation windows on the side of the building.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:14 |
|
It seems like there's this huge demand for additional units in urban areas but in many places it's difficult to build denser housing where there's existing residential single family homes. This article suggests that with denser housing off the table this demand for more units is being expressed in inefficient "backyard homes":quote:Interest in backyard homes grows amid soaring real estate costs and a shortage of housing The backyard home pictured in the article has an IKEA aesthetic: Densification is good, multi-generational households make sense and will only become more popular as old-age care is incredibly unaffordable. OTOH this appears to be a very inefficient way to go about building more units, and ripping out a private backyard to build some squat rental unit to me removes one of the main benefits of houses vs multi-unit buildings. There are so many tax incentives and credits too, home and property owners are incredibly coddled as a group. Also I don't really understand the appeal of becoming a landlord, but it seems like lots of home owners really like the idea of converting their limited private green space into shack to collect rent. Sounds miserable for everyone.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:19 |
|
Nocturtle posted:Also I don't really understand the appeal of becoming a landlord, but it seems like lots of home owners really like the idea of converting their limited private green space into shack to collect rent. Sounds miserable for everyone. The place I posted earlier, the "house-hacking" place with the basement converted into a AirBnB unit, went contingent within 24 hours of listing. The American dream is not a good life for everyone, it is getting your chance to gently caress everyone else.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:20 |
|
Nocturtle posted:Also I don't really understand the appeal of becoming a landlord, but it seems like lots of home owners really like the idea of converting their limited private green space into shack to collect rent. Sounds miserable for everyone. Landlording is being used as a way to adapt to higher housing costs. You can afford a bigger mortgage if you have a tenant helping cover the monthly payment, especially if you can gouge most/all of the mortgage payment out of them.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:23 |
|
landlording became easy once management companies started popping up everywhere
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:25 |
|
Nocturtle posted:It seems like there's this huge demand for additional units in urban areas but in many places it's difficult to build denser housing where there's existing residential single family homes. This article suggests that with denser housing off the table this demand for more units is being expressed in inefficient "backyard homes": ADUs are a compromise, but we don't have a lot of options for transitioning areas that are totally SFH. I don't really see any problems with them that don't also apply to rentals generally.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:28 |
|
*tim and Eric show voice* its passive income
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:30 |
|
One thing I like about ADUs is that they're not mass produced, so they result in the unique little nooks and crannies that make cities interesting. It's always cool to see what little hideaways are right off the street.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:31 |
|
Fitzy Fitz posted:ADUs are a compromise, but we don't have a lot of options for transitioning areas that are totally SFH. I don't really see any problems with them that don't also apply to rentals generally. the solution is upzone the area, which increases the land value, which developers will pay to build multifamily units and the sfh people will gladly sell because they get to make millions it’s a really loving easy solution
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:31 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:the solution is upzone the area, which increases the land value, which developers will pay to build multifamily units and the sfh people will gladly sell because they get to make millions Oregon did this statewide a few years ago but I’ve heard that the suburbs and smaller towns have just turned to the design and permitting process to keep multi family stuff from being built
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:34 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:the solution is upzone the area, which increases the land value, which developers will pay to build multifamily units and the sfh people will gladly sell because they get to make millions There are a lot of easy solutions that don't enjoy enough popular support to implement everywhere. e.g., we have historic neighborhoods here that will probably never be truly upzoned, but at least some of them have added extra housing in their backyards. ADUs should at least be legalized as an option for SFH zoning. It shouldn't interfere with the option of upzoning if there's enough political will for it.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:38 |
|
yea you are correct the issue is political will. but if you want to frame the discussion around “what is politically feasible in the existing socioeconomic environment” then yeah there is no solution. the way to get people housing is to massively expand the supply and provide housing as a direct support (funding non profits, land covenants for private developments, public housing, etc.) the solution is simple it’s just capitalism and dumb politics that stop the solution
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:42 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:yea you are correct the issue is political will.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:49 |
|
Ornery and Hornery posted:the solution is upzone the area, which increases the land value, which developers will pay to build multifamily units and the sfh people will gladly sell because they get to make millions Most of this city was originally platted for 24'x100' or 30'x100' lots. Zoning limits were imposed afterwards, with the result that in much of the city you cannot build on an empty existing lot without getting ahold of an adjacent lot to hit the zoning minimum lot size. It's a great way for a city to shoot itself in the foot and they won't change it for some reason
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 16:51 |
|
My city shot down an ADU proposal recently because they could be used for short-term rentals like AirBNBs. And yeah I loving hate those things, but I'd rather they go in someone's backyard than take up an entire house. (who am I kidding, we'd just have both)
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 17:03 |
|
Fitzy Fitz posted:My city shot down an ADU proposal recently because they could be used for short-term rentals like AirBNBs. And yeah I loving hate those things, but I'd rather they go in someone's backyard than take up an entire house. (who am I kidding, we'd just have both) ugh if only the city could do something about short term rentals and AirBNBs back to the drawing board
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 17:09 |
|
We have a fairly toothless STR regulation in the works. It mostly limits them in SFH neighborhoods and does nothing about the hundreds that already exist. It doesn't cap the total number. My commissioner rents out an AirBNB.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 17:14 |
|
I'm a city that hates short term rentals, so instead of banning short term rentals I'll ban this other thing with plenty of legitimate uses while still allowing petty landlords to turn whole blocks into airbnbs.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 17:41 |
|
It would be so tight if short term rentals were policed as aggressively, as say, any of the bajillion lovely racist things cops do. smiling to myself thinking about some rear end hole with five AirBnBs getting tazed and maced
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 17:47 |
|
I'm sure ADUs have legitimate uses, but the outcome is a bunch of single family houses and tiny ADUs surrounded by pavement. Everyone would likely be better off in a multi-family building with some common green space but apparently that's not possible. It's subjective but they don't look interesting or unique to me, more like the house metastasized.Nothus posted:Landlording is being used as a way to adapt to higher housing costs. You can afford a bigger mortgage if you have a tenant helping cover the monthly payment, especially if you can gouge most/all of the mortgage payment out of them. It likely makes sense economically. For example the fledgling slumlord in the article was getting ~9.5% rental revenue on building the backyard home, not including the govt subsidies and increase in total property value. My thought was more that being a landlord looks like a miserable parasitical role where you're often actively disliked by your tenants (correctly). Getting pushed into it in order to afford anything seems like an unfortunate outcome of the current housing market.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:06 |
|
Blanket up-zoning seems to be the best tool that we have. Developers are salivating at the profits from the ability to plop down 4 houses where they would put one, let's let them loving do it.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:08 |
|
Nocturtle posted:I'm sure ADUs have legitimate uses, but the outcome is a bunch of single family houses and tiny ADUs surrounded by pavement. Everyone would likely be better off in a multi-family building with some common green space but apparently that's not possible. It's subjective but they don't look interesting or unique to me, more like the house metastasized. The people who post in CSPAM (and D&D for that matter) are humongous weirdos who think about the society they live in. Most people are trying to keep their families from being put into the poverty blender or they think that landlording is a great way to create passive income.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:11 |
|
Gunshow Poophole posted:airgapped for maximum security, material usage, and also heat loss in winter c-spam hates sharing walls though edit: I would love to live in an ADU, find some fancy house in a nice neighborhood by a lake or w/e and just live in their backyard. i could easily pass as a disabled adult if that's a requirement actionjackson has issued a correction as of 18:44 on Apr 10, 2023 |
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:38 |
|
I think it’s more owners hate sharing continuous roofs.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:40 |
|
The real bad thing having someone above you. I've had so many loud stomping upstairs neighbors in apartments/duplexes I've lived in over the years, a side by side situation isn't nearly as bad.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:44 |
|
actionjackson posted:c-spam hates sharing walls though my friends did it in east lakeview, rented a 2bd/1.5 ba for like $1200/mo from 2008-2014. landlord was mansion house, shared the lawn space in between and got to use the fancy grill. hosted nonstop parties since no shared walls with anyone. it was phenomenal. too bad that chicago banned these places from being built like 80 years ago! landlord eventually sold the whole property and the coachhouse is now an airbnb after a remodel to make it 3bd/2.5ba (and we had another party there, it was weird) dxt posted:The real bad thing having someone above you. I've had so many loud stomping upstairs neighbors in apartments/duplexes I've lived in over the years, a side by side situation isn't nearly as bad. it took me forever to realize 'what are they doing, rolling bowling balls around??' noise was rolling suitcases/briefcases
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:48 |
|
Nocturtle posted:
I've seen more than one house-hunting show on hgtv (lol, I know) wherein a 20-something in California is forced to take "passive income opportunities" into account to afford anything bigger than a sub-700 square foot condo. And that's after a sizeable down-payment from their parents.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:53 |
|
i imagine having two walls and an alley between houses does wonders for not annoying each other with loud music or house parties or barking dogs, seems like a fine tradeoff imo
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 18:59 |
|
Fitzy Fitz posted:We have a fairly toothless STR regulation in the works. It mostly limits them in SFH neighborhoods and does nothing about the hundreds that already exist. It doesn't cap the total number. My commissioner rents out an AirBNB. lol
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 19:06 |
|
Fitzy Fitz posted:We have a fairly toothless STR regulation in the works. It mostly limits them in SFH neighborhoods and does nothing about the hundreds that already exist. It doesn't cap the total number. My commissioner rents out an AirBNB. Reminds me of the UK's tory-backed rent to buy schemes for public housing, which meant all that public housing turned into rentals owned by tory MPs
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 19:22 |
|
reminder that pirates that worked for the government were called privateers. privatization is just that.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 19:23 |
|
mastershakeman posted:it took me forever to realize 'what are they doing, rolling bowling balls around??' noise was rolling suitcases/briefcases I had upstairs neighbor kids that rode bikes/bounced basketballs at all hours of the night, it sucked rear end.
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 19:36 |
|
anime was right posted:reminder that pirates that worked for the government were called privateers. privatization is just that. I just learned this from shadow and bone season 3
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 19:45 |
|
I only hear noise upstairs when my neighbor vacuums. also she's gone all the time, and previously the unit was unoccupied for many years, so it's great. i've never ever heard someone next to me in 11+ years, i'm in newer construction so I'm sure there's some thick concrete between the walls
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 20:29 |
|
|
# ? May 25, 2024 01:32 |
|
New construction, notable for adequate soundproofing
|
# ? Apr 10, 2023 20:30 |