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GNU Order posted:Am I crazy for wanting Bijan at 9? I've made this same argument with friends. An elite running back with Justin Fields doing RPO stuff will be a nightmare for defenses. I don't want him at 9, but if you were able to trade down a few spots and get him, I wouldn't be disappointed at all.
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Apr 10, 2023 16:44
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The trade down at 9 seems kind of silly to me st this point, that's like an extra 4th rounder unless they go all the way to the bottom of the first. We're not getting thst second rounder back.
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Apr 10, 2023 16:48
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R.D. Mangles posted:The trade down at 9 seems kind of silly to me st this point, that's like an extra 4th rounder unless they go all the way to the bottom of the first. We're not getting thst second rounder back. It depends on another teams desperation. When the bears traded up for fields, the giants made out pretty well. Bears got pick 11. Giants got pick 20, a fifth rounder, and the following years 1st and 4th round picks. E: lol at the thought of the bears possibly having 3 1st rounders next year. The difference between pace and poles is stark. ZombieCrew fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Apr 10, 2023 |
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Apr 10, 2023 19:00
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Sataere posted:Dude, at least wait until the draft before freaking out about the line. Adding a couple rookies to a bad line is not going to help Justin Fields stay alive. I contend the Bears should have used some of the $100 million in cap space they had available to improve the offensive line.
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Apr 10, 2023 22:23
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GNU Order posted:Am I crazy for wanting Bijan at 9? Yes. Herbert and Foreman will be fine. Maybe find a steal later in the draft. The team desperately needs offensive and defensive line help. A corner wouldn't be bad either. If they go the skill position route, I think Smith-Njigba wouldn't be a bad pick. Or Quentin Johnson if they trade down. An elite wide receiver is far more valuable than an elite running back.
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Apr 10, 2023 22:27
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Niwrad posted:Adding a couple rookies to a bad line is not going to help Justin Fields stay alive. I contend the Bears should have used some of the $100 million in cap space they had available to improve the offensive line. None of the offensive lineman available were worth the price.
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Apr 11, 2023 00:11
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Sataere posted:None of the offensive lineman available were worth the price. They have a boatload of cap space. Perfectly fine overpaying an offensive lineman instead of having to watch Larry Borom or Alex Leatherwood start at tackle.
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Apr 11, 2023 00:44
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I would rather draft Paris Johnson Jr. at 9 than have Poles try to find a fourth round tackle to compete for a starting role, but if the Bears don't go OT in round one, I assume they'll eventually bring in a vet at some point to fill the Riley Reiff "not good, but better than Larry Borom" stopgap starter role if nobody younger can win the job in camp
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Apr 11, 2023 00:59
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They're paying Riley Reiff $4.5 million this year to not play on the team. If they like a tackle in the draft, I'm good with that. Still thought Jawaan Taylor would have been a nice fit at tackle. There were also some considerable upgrade options at Center and Guard they passed on.
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Niwrad posted:They're paying Riley Reiff $4.5 million this year to not play on the team. Are they? edit: I guess him hitting his playing time incentive came out of the cap figure for this year, but I can't figure out if that's just minimizing once-projected rollover or if it counts on the books for 2023 for some reason. Either way it's not like the Bears couldn't afford to spare $4.5 million from this year's cartoonish cap space for 10 games of semi-competent tackle play xbilkis fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 11, 2023 |
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Apr 11, 2023 01:07
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people really really care too much about trivial amounts of money when it comes to the NFL cap lol.
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Apr 11, 2023 01:23
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Dexo posted:people really really care too much about trivial amounts of money when it comes to the NFL cap lol. I don't care about it. It's just the excuse as to why the Bears can't sign or keep good players is they'd have to overpay for them. I would like to see the Bears overpay for a lineman instead of looking at the scrap heap for bargains.
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xbilkis posted:Are they? If they're not I will. I'm sure I could raise more than that from the city of Chicago to get him not to play
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Apr 11, 2023 01:38
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Just let me dream though. But, honestly, what if Poles has some random RT in the 2nd that ends up being serviceable, and he also really wants to score as many points as humanly possible. There's no such thing as having too many elite skill players
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Apr 11, 2023 03:00
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I feel like people are sleeping on Smith-Njigba because he didn't play last year. A year earlier he was the best receiver on a team that featured Garrett Wilson, Olave, and Harrison Jr.
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Niwrad posted:I feel like people are sleeping on Smith-Njigba because he didn't play last year. A year earlier he was the best receiver on a team that featured Garrett Wilson, Olave, and Harrison Jr. If we hadn't traded for DJM, I'd be banging the JSN drum hard. He's the best receiver in this draft by far, but I'm content to play out the year with our guys and go after MHJ next year.
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Apr 11, 2023 05:34
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Huh https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1645820194638422017?t=OP_CsyUz5UbNoYYnaDnIVQ&s=19
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Apr 11, 2023 17:07
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5th rounder? rare Brad Holmes L
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Apr 11, 2023 17:13
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I mean at least they got something. I'm not sure Okudah would have qualified for much better in the comp pick formula.
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https://twitter.com/bigsgjamo/status/1645822861662093314?s=20 lmao
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Apr 11, 2023 17:17
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I was wondering where he fit, and seeing as how there was no chance they were picking up his 5th year... Maybe a fresh start will do him good, but he was hot garbage his entire career in Detroit.
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I think he could have done better than a 5th based on upside alone, but probably wanted the matter settled so they could move forward. I don't know if a 5th was worth more than just keeping him on the team this year though.
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Apr 11, 2023 17:20
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Yeah i figured he would've fetched more than a 5th, but maybe i just overestimated the market? Also, I guess a CB at 6 is looking a lot more likely now.
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Hahahaah
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Apples McGrind posted:Also, I guess a CB at 6 is looking a lot more likely now. Fortunately for the Lions they're pretty much guaranteed their pick of Gonzalez or Witherspoon.
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Apr 11, 2023 17:28
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Not surprising. There was no way they were picking up his 5th year and with his benching at the end of the year it was a sign he wasn't AGs guy anymore. I still think he'd be better as a safety.
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Feel like that locks in Witherspoon at 6. Oh good, my 9 just became a collector's item. :|
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Man, what a bad situation all around. Quinn reached for Okudah because Patricia ran off our entire secondary, then Okudah played like poo poo because Patricia can't loving coach, then when he might get a fresh start with Campbell and AG, he blows out his knee. Just sucks. Hope he does well with the Falcons.
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MJeff posted:Man, what a bad situation all around. Quinn reached for Okudah because Patricia ran off our entire secondary, then Okudah played like poo poo because Patricia can't loving coach, then when he might get a fresh start with Campbell and AG, he blows out his knee. Worse than knee it was Achilles. He's a good tackler and solid in run support, make him a safety and I think he'd be pretty good.
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Apr 11, 2023 17:46
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I don't think it necessarily means they take a corner at 6. And I figured they'd take a corner for sure in the draft regardless of this trade.
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I'd still bet everything the Lions either trade down or draft a DL/EDGE with the sixth pick. And CB/Bijan or trade down with 18th.
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Apr 11, 2023 18:12
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If the QBs are off the board and the Lions don't want Carter (I don't think he's on their board). Then it might be tough to trade down. Unless Philly wants to jump to 6th and you get a 3rd round pick or something. Not the worst thing as you likely still draft the guy you wanted at 10. But I think they take Tyree Wilson if he's there at 6. But I also think Holmes is going to do some crazy trade, so I have no idea whats going to happen. Its going to be a lot of fun watching the draft.
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Apr 11, 2023 18:23
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The end of Jeff Okudah's run in Detroit is disappointing, but not surprising. Put into any other situation and Okudah may have flourished, but the challenges of COVID, being forced into the #1 right off the bat, Patricia's dogshit coaching, and losing a year to an Achilles tear just demolished any chance he had of developing to his potential. What a goddamn waste.
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Danny LaFever posted:But I also think Holmes is going to do some crazy trade, so I have no idea whats going to happen. Its going to be a lot of fun watching the draft. Holmes is definitely gonna do something wacky on draft day and I'm excited to find out what it is.
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I know Kwesi got some guff for trading down last year but it's really the right strategy this draft unless a good QB falls into his lap.
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Sataere posted:If we hadn't traded for DJM, I'd be banging the JSN drum hard. He's the best receiver in this draft by far, but I'm content to play out the year with our guys and go after MHJ next year. Yeah, I think it depends on how much they like the O and D lineman at the #9 spot. If they're tepid on those guys becoming impact players, I'd be fine with going the Bengals route of loading up on good receivers so that no secondary can keep up. I do wonder if the Falcons trade for Okudah might open the door for Christian Gonzalez at #9. Atlanta media seemed to think Gonzalez was going to be their pick at #8.
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Detroit possibly being in the market for a CB again opens up the possibility that two CBs go in the top 8, which means the odds of a top-tier d-lineman falling to 9 might have gotten a little better. I think Carter or Wilson are the pick for the Bears if they’re there If we do go d-line at 9, I really want us to trade up in the second. I know it might trigger bad Pace memories, but I think the OT class will have fallen off a cliff by the time the 53rd pick comes around, and you could grab a legit starting option if you land a pick in the front half of round two.
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For as much of a risk as Carter is, I don't know how you pass him up at #9. He's the kind of guy you build a defense around if he pans out. If Levis is available at #9, I wonder if you look to trade down again. Tennessee, Tampa, Washington, and maybe even Detroit could be interested in a QB. I feel like the guys in that 8-20 range are not too off from each other and at positions the Bears could use (EDGE, CB, OL, DT). Maybe that's where you grab another 2nd round pick and like a 3rd or 4th next year.
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