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think of how much cooler it would be if the split was top/bottom
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Nitrox posted:Somebody bought the cheapest inswing exterior door at home Depot and installed it backwards. Then tried to engineer a screen solution for it. You can break into this house by pulling pins from the hinges, by the way. Look through that screen, it’s a garage. I am guessing there are about a dozen ways into most garages that are easier than loving around with hinge pins.
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Exterior doors can be installed with security hinges that done come apart when the door is closed. We can't see if those are installed here or not.
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wheatpuppy posted:I think the reference to,pins was for the hinges on the outer door? Cause yeah, if you want to bust through the inner screen door you could just tear the screen. Yes, I was talking about the outer door. Outswing doors exist so they make hinges for them that don't have removable pins.
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Apr 7, 2023 11:24
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The bifold screen door is fine, yall are being too precious. It keeps the bugs out and lets the breeze in without smacking the furniture. Security is not a consideration (are non-folding screen doors better? lol)
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Apr 7, 2023 11:49
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Orvin posted:Look through that screen, it’s a garage. I am guessing there are about a dozen ways into most garages that are easier than loving around with hinge pins. The photo is taken from outside. Why does it matter if it's a garage? This garage could have a pathway into the house, it's all the same. And while yes, there are security hinges and all sorts of cool stuff, but they don't come standard with the cheapest door that's in this photo. And the difference between in and out swing doors are in the threshold pitch. They removed the threshold completely in this photo, because they knew it would channel water into the opening.
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Yeah the bifold screen door was on the side entrance to a garage. For further context, it was on a ~40 year old duplex in a 55+ condo association. I spend a lot of time in the communities there for work and see crazy amounts of crappy construction that has been done over the years by lovely contractors for clueless old folks on a fixed income. The screen door isn't necessarily crappy and makes some sense to be less intrusive when open, I've just never seen one before and I see a lot of weird poo poo there.
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Nitrox posted:The photo is taken from outside. Why does it matter if it's a garage? This garage could have a pathway into the house, it's all the same. I've never seen a prehung door casing that looked like that so it probably didn't come with any hinges. The door looks like it has a thin metal threshold half covered in paint.
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Apr 7, 2023 19:56
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Nitrox posted:The photo is taken from outside. Why does it matter if it's a garage? This garage could have a pathway into the house, it's all the same. I can’t state for this particular house, but most houses in my area that have attached garages have better than regular interior doors separating the garage from the house. I think it is for the insulating properties, but they also usually have some level of keyed locks on them. I can’t make any judgement on the overall quality of those doors and locks, but the generally seem to be about as well built as the regular home exterior door.
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Apr 7, 2023 22:12
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Orvin posted:I can’t state for this particular house, but most houses in my area that have attached garages have better than regular interior doors separating the garage from the house. I think it is for the insulating properties, but they also usually have some level of keyed locks on them. Among other things, it's because of fire codes. The wall and door need to provide 2 hour separation between the storage enclosure (garage) and living space. Also, most people don't heat/cool their garage so as you said you want an insulated door as well. Garage doors are easy as hell to get into, especially if you have openers on them so you really should treat that as basically outside space and the door inside your garage going to the house as an exterior door.
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Motronic posted:Among other things, it's because of fire codes. The wall and door need to provide 2 hour separation between the storage enclosure (garage) and living space. My 1963 house called and says that it pre-dates safety. Which is why I have a poo poo interior door separating the garage from the kitchen. It’s on my list to fix. Cause drat.
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ptier posted:My 1963 house called and says that it pre-dates safety. Which is why I have a poo poo interior door separating the garage from the kitchen. Well yeah, that wasn't really a thing in most places until the 80s. You do what you can when you can to update those things in older houses.
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canyoneer posted:It's THAT HOUSE? I had heard that story before. what was his forums account
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peanut posted:The bifold screen door is fine, yall are being too precious. Thermatru makes a retractable screen door meant for garage entry way now
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Apr 8, 2023 03:29
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What would really be neat (yes yes and unwise) is a full-length door that opens in the middle, saloon-style. Handy for going in and out with hands full of stuff
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Motronic posted:Among other things, it's because of fire codes. The wall and door need to provide 2 hour separation between the storage enclosure (garage) and living space. Maybe you know the answer from your AHJ days. Garage to dwelling wall assemblies are to be 2 hour rated, but the door can be just 20 minutes. I've never seen a door rated higher than 90. What's the thought process?
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brugroffil posted:Maybe you know the answer from your AHJ days. Garage to dwelling wall assemblies are to be 2 hour rated, but the door can be just 20 minutes. I've never seen a door rated higher than 90. What's the thought process? Maybe it's considered less likely that a door would have flammable material up against it?
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Y'all are making me think about my last rental. The garage and house were separate buildings, but there was a patio between the two and extended back against the side of the garage. The part of the patio between the house and the garage was enclosed so that from the outside, it looked like a single building (roof and siding just continuing unbroken, but I saw they weren't actually attached when I got up there to clean the gutters). The door from the garage into this area didn't exist, just an open walkway. There was a "proper" exterior door out to the driveway with door lock and deadbolt. There was a double door out to the back yard, glass windows top to bottom, held shut by a cheap slide latch (and temperature changes causing it to jam shut half the year). The door into the house was another exterior door with proper locks, but also had glass windows top to bottom. Looked nice, but I figured if anyone got up to it, they were completely hidden inside of this patio with full access to my garage, so it would be a couple of seconds to smash the glass and get it. Frankly, I never locked that door unless I was gone for a few days. It was nice getting to my car in the winter, like a sauna in the summer, and the patio floor just allowed it to fill with spiders and bugs, especially in the spring. Was like a nice cave protected from the elements for them!
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brugroffil posted:Maybe you know the answer from your AHJ days. Garage to dwelling wall assemblies are to be 2 hour rated, but the door can be just 20 minutes. I've never seen a door rated higher than 90. What's the thought process? That came up in one of my code classes back in the day. It all used to be 20 minutes and there's no good resi doors rated higher so out of practicality it stayed at 20. The 2 hour separation for walls and ceilings only happened when 2 sheets of double 5/8"drywall was considered to be 2 hours which.......is kinda bullshit. Sheetrock doesn't do well when things fall on it or into it, especially if it's been exposed to heat and fire so it's really not as good as a block wall, especially for a storage enclosure, but it sure is cheap. So the answer is basically "in reality the 20 minute door has as much or more of a chance of surviving as long as the rest of the wall and ceiling assemblies". (which are 2 hours in lab conditions, not reality) At least according to the people teaching that class.
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DaveSauce posted:guys when I turn on the light in my garage everything else in my neighborhood dims, is this a problem?? From the Electrical thread. I'm digging the 2 prong suicide cords.
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Apr 8, 2023 16:55
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I'd never thought of using lightbulb Y's as load bearing members.
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Apr 8, 2023 17:20
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Excuse me, it's the new Modular Lighting System, available for 4 easy payments of 39.95 plus shipping and handling and gratuity
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Apr 8, 2023 17:31
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those things are super blinding so lol at aiming them at the garage door but maybe not after 23 adapters
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E: found a better thread for it.
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Meth. Not even once.
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Orvin posted:Look through that screen, it’s a garage. I am guessing there are about a dozen ways into most garages that are easier than loving around with hinge pins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxeKdIOx14Y
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Nobody thought of just cutting the screen? Lol, lmao
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crappy construction or sad rental ? yes
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Is that the triple threat of carpet in the bathroom, bad joint between shower surround and tub, and they just walked over a window poorly?
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Orvin posted:Is that the triple threat of carpet in the bathroom, bad joint between shower surround and tub, and they just walked over a window poorly? oh yeah 
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Apr 11, 2023 13:59
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It's a singularity of crap! RUN!!
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Apr 11, 2023 16:24
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At least they got the right color carpet.
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Tristesse posted:At least they got the right color carpet. Permanent poo poo towels, nailed to the floor.
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Tristesse posted:At least they got the right color carpet. It was white when they put it in.
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Apr 11, 2023 18:56
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That's a nice-looking fence. What's the prob... oh.
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Apr 11, 2023 18:58
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`Nemesis posted:oh yeah I can literally smell this photo right now.
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That looks like a 3000-4000 gallon pool... So that "structure" has at least 25,000lbs (11,300kg) on it 
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Clearly it was built in self defense to stop hordes of invaders from advancing up their back lawn. One quick knock at the bottom of the structure and you've got a huge amount of water/burning oil to wash away the advancing army.
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