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JesustheDarkLord posted:I've thought about it a lot and have ideas, but I really can't come up with a platform that would make the Democrats competitive in Tennessee. Split the state into 3 states so that eastern Tennesse, Nashville, and Memphis no longer have to pretend they have anything to do with each other anymore.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm skeptical that published manifestos actually do much inspiration. You don't have a lot of copy cats of people like Michael Dorner or Kazinski, incredibly famous manifestos read by a lot of people. And shooters like Hale are just emotional babbling that the shooters seem to come into naturally, no real inspiration needed except themselves. I thought that was Worf for a moment and was frantically googling to see what I'd missed
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Tiny Timbs posted:I didn't mean now. These water rights negotiations are short-term solutions to a problem that will inevitably get much worse over the next couple of decades. How does the federal government come up with an egalitarian solution when we're not arguing about lawns vs. agriculture but about the existence of any water that isn't trucked in?
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Reminds me of the same drat problem in Australia, farmers would literally drain the Murray dry if they could to grow water-intensive crops in literal desert. The only solution is to tell them to gently caress off and change to a viable business model. Lawns, showers and golf courses are an incrementalist red herring.
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PostNouveau posted:Split the state into 3 states so that eastern Tennesse, Nashville, and Memphis no longer have to pretend they have anything to do with each other anymore. West Tennessee and East Tennessee are great and I will die on this hill. There is also a Middle Tennessee
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g0del posted:Grow food somewhere else with more water. This isn't the Atacama desert, there's some water here - we even get rain sometimes. There's plenty of water (even in current drought conditions) for the people if you're not using most of it for alfafa and almonds and whatever the Saudis are growing and shipping across the ocean. You're absolutely right, there's no problem with growing food, just not on the industrial scale where the cost is externalized to produce cheap crops like you say Indigenous people grew food out of the desert for a hell of a long time before colonizers steamrolled the west, and it's a tradition that is seeing a revival in the face of massive public health crises in the Navajo nation specifically. https://www.eater.com/2018/10/17/17990098/navajo-nation-food-sovereignty-native-american-cuisine-arizona
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Leon Sumbitches posted:You're absolutely right, there's no problem with growing food, just not on the industrial scale where the cost is externalized to produce cheap crops like you say Partly through massive irrigation projects (for pre-industrial technologies at least) which is another reason why just cutting off agricultural water entirely isn't necessarily a winner too. The Gila River Reservation just got its water rights back after being cut off for a century, and it's a big change financially and culturally for the Pima living there. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/native-american-tribe-pima-indians-taking-back-water-180981542/ Though that doesn't change the general principles of it. Even in a forever drought ( which from what I last heard climate change models suggest that won't really be the case in the Southwest US), agricultural water is the only thing that's truly unsustainable, so stopping dumb poo poo like industrial rice and cotton farms in the desert is absolutely the key to focing it.
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Leon Sumbitches posted:You're absolutely right, there's no problem with growing food, just not on the industrial scale where the cost is externalized to produce cheap crops like you say That does remind me there's genocide levels of crisis going on with First Nations reservations for the last few years (even before covid) that no one's talking about apparently.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That does remind me there's genocide levels of crisis going on with First Nations reservations for the last few years (even before covid) that no one's talking about apparently. It's meant to remind us all. The original attempted genocides continue through each generation via ripple effects.
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TheGreyGhost posted:I mean, CA residential water usage per capita is flat or dropping pretty much everywhere in state, and the water restrictions were extremely painful to the people they should be. There are infrastructure steps that should be taken in state (wastewater recycling is nonexistent in LA county for example), but we basically all have to take the hit for Ag whenever things dry out. AZ hasn’t done that at all and insists on building awful suburbs and wrote their insane building codes so that a huge chunk of residences being built can get around proving durable water supplies. Keep in mind, Arizona had a shitload of aquifers that are essentially privatized Saudi water welfare, and California’s shipping of almonds and alfalfa are a massive problem that essentially dwarf all residential usage in the state. Like, Arizona is correct in stating people need water, but the fundamental problems can be summarized as “we probably shouldn’t grow things in Arizona”, “we need to stop exporting water-intensive crops from California”, and “tell the boomers to stop with the loving lawns”. Is growing FOOD wasting water? Build DAMS NOT TRAINS (Central valley heads know)
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I moved to Knoxville after being born and raised in Houston a few years ago, and while Texas conservatives are as cruel and corrupt as the day is long, conservatives in Tennessee are just plain backwards
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I've thought about it a lot and have ideas, but I really can't come up with a platform that would make the Democrats competitive in Tennessee. I'd really appreciate your going into more detail here. Who are the powerbrokers and the major extant demographics in Tennessee?
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Discendo Vox posted:I'd really appreciate your going into more detail here. Who are the powerbrokers and the major extant demographics in Tennessee? While I can’t speak of the ins and outs of the state political scene like a native. I will point out that less than three years ago there was still bitter fighting about the removal of a bust of KKK founder and Confederate war criminal Nathan Bedford Forrest from the capital rotunda. The controversy was only put to rest when the state agreed to also remove a bust of genuine American hero and son of Tennessee Admiral David Farragut who was strict unionist and supreme commander of the Union Navy.
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g0del posted:Grow food somewhere else with more water. This isn't the Atacama desert, there's some water here - we even get rain sometimes. There's plenty of water (even in current drought conditions) for the people if you're not using most of it for alfafa and almonds and whatever the Saudis are growing and shipping across the ocean. CA's Central Valley is one of the most fertile and productive places in the world to grow food. We will never stop growing food there.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:lawns are a red herring In California a good number of farms have unlimited water rights dating back to the 1800’s. I talked to the drip irrigation people and these farmers have no incentive to conserve water. Also there is little to no rain catchment on buildings.
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brugroffil posted:Is growing FOOD wasting water? Worst train route ever. Incremental improvements on the Coast Starlight route would have been cheaper and actually useful. I know Victorville is THE cool new vacation spot but the existing route does pass some useful destinations.
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Gatts posted:Ah. Cost. Right. Just to make sure you understand what you've been told by others, environmental damage is a cost, tearing up infrastructure to (per your original question) triple-plumb a lot of the areas near the ocean has fairly huge energy and resource costs, redirecting engineers, construction, regulators to focus on desal vs IPR/SWA/DPR or just plain old conservation is a cost, etc. The Saudi approach seems reasonable because they use slave labor, likely give negative shits about environmental impact, are not a democracy (regular people like going to the beach), etc. Zachack fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Lol. Make him squirm! https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1645947361770758148?t=i0dpwVeIZoKWl8_icFjrvQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/O_Danny_Boyy/status/1645975555685187584
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This is the first time Tucker's constipated-and-confused look actually makes perfect sense.
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Nuclear warming as in like.... Nuclear winter? From a global nuclear war? I am so confused
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cr0y posted:Nuclear warming as in like.... Nuclear winter? From a global nuclear war? Make your choice of "saying mean things to Russia causes needless nuclear escalation" or "Iran is looking to build the bomb and hold the world hostage" or whatever else it might be. He hasn't really thought it through, and it certainly lives compatibly in his head with how America needs a bigger, more beautiful nuclear arsenal unshackled by international arms control treaties. Those are for not-America. It's the same "liberals and RINOS are the real warhawks" he rode when he was promising to bomb more civilians than Obama or trying to ramp up to open war with Iran.
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https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1645954122628079616 Tim Scott is an interesting potential candidate. I spent some time studying his political base in SC awhile back, and he's very well established in the party apparatus there- I don't understand why he would seriously pursue the presidency. He is relatively competent and sophisticated in conventional backroom politics, and has staked out a really efficacious powerbase in business and church in SC. He's not, to my knowledge, a populist firebrand- he's got major backing through Seacoast, the networked megachurch near Charleston, which is, well, a conservative megachurch, but not one of the further out there right wing ones. He's known for offering up an insufficient, but way-further-than-other-Republicans police reform bill, which is pretty much the only place he's broken the party line. He's someone who recognizes and operates culture war issues only as a means to supporting his business backers. The announcement of a presidential exploratory committee likely indicates he has at least some networked support from "moderate" business paleocons and the more sophisticated religious right. but, well... He's black, he's not a visible psychopath, and as his recent SotU response indicates, a well-coached but not particularly striking or skilled speaker. I think he'd struggle to generate R turnout. That's even leaving Trump out of the equation. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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The Society of Family Planning performed the first major study of abortion in America post-Roe. A lot of expected outcomes, but a few surprising ones. The actual impact on total abortions was much lower than expected. It didn't actually reduce the total amount of abortions significantly, but it did make it much more expensive and inconvenient to get an abortion for tens of thousands of people. - In December 2022, there were about 5,000 fewer abortions than in the months pre-Dobbs decision. That is a decline of about 6%. - Telehealth appointments for abortion pills by mail skyrocketed during the same period (over a 76% increase from pre-Dobbs). - A majority of people who were seeking an abortion that lived in a state that banned or severely restricted abortion were able to travel to a different state to get it done. - A large chunk of the remaining people likely got an abortion via telemedicine or some other way, but there were several thousand that they have no data for and it is unclear if they were able to get an abortion or ended up carrying the pregnancy to term. - Ironically, Florida experienced a surge of thousands of additional abortions as people from other states in the South with stricter laws flocked to Florida to get abortions. This may change if Florida implements its new 6-week abortion ban and shortens the time down from the current 16-week limit. - Texas and Georgia saw enormous drops in abortions. - Other states with looser abortion laws that are near states with stricter bans saw large increases. Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, Illinois, and Michigan saw large increases. quote:Over 66,000 People Couldn’t Get An Abortion In Their Home State After Dobbs https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/post-dobbs-abortion-access-66000/ Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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cr0y posted:I am so confused
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/MegKinnardAP/status/1645954122628079616 Scott has said he isn't running again in 2028. He's not under re-election in 24, so why not just go for it if it can't actually help you and you can
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GoutPatrol posted:Scott has said he isn't running again in 2028. He's not under re-election in 24, so why not just go for it if it can't actually help you and you can Scott's not particularly hard up for money or influence and his brand would if anything be hurt by a national campaign. I think he might be a considered alternate if Trump actually loses his base/a path to nomination.
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The exploratory committee: "We've come to the conclusion that...you're black. So no."
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Being an also-ran in a primary campaign is a pretty good way to get your name in the news and get some speeches. And I don't think any Black Republican, even the genuinely insane ones we've had in recent years, is particularly confident they have a chance at any more than that.
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There are all sorts of strategic reasons to run for president besides "I am mostly sure I can win this time." Positioning yourself for a future run, getting your ideas out there in hopes of getting them adopted in the platform or picked up by the other candidates or eventual nominee, becoming prominent enough to get a cabinet post, and, as mentioned, raising your profile for punditry.
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The most important reason to run for President while having no hope of winning is to make a lot of money. This can be done via the regular campaign grift as well as increasing your rates for lobbying and speaking gigs.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Being an also-ran in a primary campaign is a pretty good way to get your name in the news and get some speeches. And I don't think any Black Republican, even the genuinely insane ones we've had in recent years, is particularly confident they have a chance at any more than that. Ben Carson too.
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FCKGW posted:CA's Central Valley is one of the most fertile and productive places in the world to grow food. We will never stop growing food there. Yeah, this. The coastal Californian complaining about farmers never made a lot of sense to me. It just seems like a cultural warfare thing. Amusingly/paradoxically, coastal Californians implicitly LOVE agriculture in the Central Valley--it gives them the access to the inexpensive, fresh produce that they brag about and get to act snooty about when visiting other areas of the US where the produce might not be as great.
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As a coastal Californian myself my problem has never been w/ the farmers in general, but rather the allocation of water to disproportionately thirsty crops like almonds. In fact I'd say the culture war resentment is much stronger in the opposite direction, if the signs planted by the 5 in the central valley are any indication Tarezax fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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Water rights arguments have always been insane. The Hoover Dam is named after Hoover not because he built it, but because he managed to get the relevant states to make even the slightest progress on water distribution agreements; thus was a prerequisite for the dam to even get started.
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Tarezax posted:As a coastal Californian myself my problem has never been w/ the farmers in general, but rather the allocation of water to disproportionately thirsty crops like almonds. Coastal Californians love almonds/almond milk, and all that stuff. They are partially the ones driving the production of the crop but at the same time, they complain about it. I suspect that the fraction of agriculture in the Central Valley which is almonds vs. other crops is not that huge, and if you quantify the water use to grow 1 kcal of almonds vs. 1 kcal of other crops, it is not that much more. I get the feeling that this is just a manufactured issue which gives coastal Californians an excuse to moralize about how the low class farmers are ruining their state.
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Almonds are much easier to transport and store than fruit, being nuts and all. And all nuts require far more water per pound to produce than fruits and vegetables. No reason you couldn't just grow the dang almonds somewhere where water isn't an issue. And I think the biggest driver of almond consumption is the Chinese market.
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I'll admit to being an almond-enjoyer, but this whole focus on changing consumer habits rather than focusing on industries who actually have the power to make major changes to production strikes me as exactly what's been happening with climate change and oil companies? "Oh no, the poor little agribusinesses, forced to helplessly follow the whims of the public and definitely not spending billions of dollars lobbying."
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TBH I wonder if the reason these crops are grown in California specifically has more to do with the water rights situation and the availability of migrant farm labor over actual growing conditions of the crop
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Clarste posted:I'll admit to being an almond-enjoyer, but this whole focus on changing consumer habits rather than focusing on industries who actually have the power to make major changes to production strikes me as exactly what's been happening with climate change and oil companies? "Oh no, the poor little agribusinesses, forced to helplessly follow the whims of the public and definitely not spending billions of dollars lobbying." That's the entire problem with what we've been taught is an ironclad rule of The Market and the way capitalism- the only society that has ever worked- inherently functions. That multibillion dollar corporations are helpless slaves to the whims of individual consumers, something can only exist if there is demand for it- and if it doesn't exist, obviously it's because there is no demand for it, and to force people to start or stop making a product for any reason is unfathomable harm and waste and restriction of freedom. By now even everyone here probably at least understands the problems with that, but it's still what's been hammered into almost everyone in the world outside a handful of pariah states for as long as living memory.
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Tarezax posted:TBH I wonder if the reason these crops are grown in California specifically has more to do with the water rights situation and the availability of migrant farm labor over actual growing conditions of the crop Water rights and farming decisions made in the past. It takes 5-12 years for an Almond tree to start producing almonds, then that tree is productive for about 25 more years. So an entire cycle for a grove, assuming you planted everything at the same time, is 30 to 37 years. Almonds were first brought by monks from the Mediterranean in like 1850 or so and commercial farming started late in the 1800s, but didn't actually take off until the 1900s due to issues with the climate and planted varieties. Basically people started growing Almonds during one of California's wet period, and largely possess water rights dating back over a century or more. Since only need about 4-5 commercial life cycles of an almond tree to get back to the first farms, they were largely an already established crop by the time the real water wars due to climate change began to pick up. I have no idea how many new Almond groves are suddenly sprouting up, but I have a feeling that the water requirements and the long gestation time mean that the newest farms are probably 60 or so years old. In the future, Almond farming is almost certainly going to migrate to a more reasonable location. However there's a long rear end turn around from when it starts to when it's fully established. At the same time even if nobody planted a new tree in California from now on, we'd be getting shitloads of California Almonds through 2055. Gyges fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Apr 12, 2023 |
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