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Combat Pretzel posted:Seeing that NVidia is pushing/demoing that RTXDI and RTXGI path-tracing stuff via Cyberpunk 2077, I wholly expect the 50x0 series of cards to have path-tracing specific hardware accelerators. I just hope they're implemented in such a way that something like UE5's Lumen and similar implementations can profit from it. Has anyone said Nvidia GeForce PTX 5090 yet?
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https://twitter.com/MM_JacobF/status/1646325712125607939 Dang, sorta figured he would stick around post-GPU exit just because he was so well known. Guess we will see how much longer EVGA lasts...
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We may see one or two more tech demo style path tracing modes in modern AAA games, but I doubt we'll see much widespread use of path tracing until at least the next generation of GPUs. Right now, realistically, only people with the 3090 or better can take advantage of path tracing in CP2077, and even the 3090 struggles at 1440p. I doubt that's a wide enough audience to be worth catering to. Still, if you asked me a year ago, I'd say the number of cards capable of doing path tracing in cyberpunk 2077 would be 0 for years to come, so this is becoming feasible much more quickly than I expected. I bet there are quite a few developers right now looking at CP2077 and running the numbers on whether this makes sense for them to do too. How much wider will the potential audience be a couple years from now when the 50-series is out? Will it be worth starting work on a path tracing mode now for a game releasing then? I suspect some of the developers who enjoy pushing technical boundaries may jump on this train.
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Apr 13, 2023 03:08
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Can path tracing handle caustics and subsurface scattering?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:We may see one or two more tech demo style path tracing modes in modern AAA games, but I doubt we'll see much widespread use of path tracing until at least the next generation of GPUs. Right now, realistically, only people with the 3090 or better can take advantage of path tracing in CP2077, and even the 3090 struggles at 1440p. I doubt that's a wide enough audience to be worth catering to. Still, if you asked me a year ago, I'd say the number of cards capable of doing path tracing in cyberpunk 2077 would be 0 for years to come, so this is becoming feasible much more quickly than I expected. I bet there are quite a few developers right now looking at CP2077 and running the numbers on whether this makes sense for them to do too. How much wider will the potential audience be a couple years from now when the 50-series is out? Will it be worth starting work on a path tracing mode now for a game releasing then? I suspect some of the developers who enjoy pushing technical boundaries may jump on this train. the most likely candidates will be UE5 games since nvidia is providing turnkey RTXDI integration for that for any other engine it'll be hard to justify unless nvidia is footing the bill I think VostokProgram posted:Can path tracing handle caustics and subsurface scattering? pathtracing in general? absolutely. pathtracing in realtime? don't hold your breath, those effects are expensive even by offline rendering standards repiv fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Apr 13, 2023 03:16
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Not to derail into a CP2077 thing, but I was holding off playing it until this newest update launched and within 5 minutes I got everyone doing the T pose and sliding off as if on ice. Looks nice, but... yeah.
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AARP LARPer posted:Not to derail into a CP2077 thing, but I was holding off playing it until this newest update launched and within 5 minutes I got everyone doing the T pose and sliding off as if on ice. Looks nice, but... yeah. Huh, I haven’t seen those kinds of bugs since a couple months after release. Have you done a verify cache and whatnot? idk maybe there were some major regressions but I’ve mainly seen complaints about crashes with pathtracing.
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Apr 13, 2023 03:50
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Apr 13, 2023 17:42
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The price jump on the 780 though, oof.
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Apr 13, 2023 17:59
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While the chart is true, the 3080 was generally better in the stack then most of the xx80s which generally weren't very good value. So that is going to look bad because the 3080 was a very good GPU. Also, the 3070 should probably be compared to the 2080Super which is more like a 15% increase. Nfcknblvbl posted:The price jump on the 780 though, oof. The 970 was an amazing deal even with the weird memory thing
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Apr 13, 2023 18:01
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It’s loving unbelievable the 4080 came out at 1200 list price.
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JackBandit posted:It’s loving unbelievable the 4080 came out at 1200 list price. the names don't mean anything, they are just a tool to upsell people generation over generation.
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Apr 13, 2023 18:09
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JackBandit posted:It’s loving unbelievable the 4080 came out at 1200 list price. No poo poo. It's such a nice card at such a lovely price
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Apr 13, 2023 18:21
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it's a 200w card, it's fine I wasn't talking about the cooler, I was talking about the intentional performance gimping. Edit: Designing a lovely cooler and/or allowing it to be manufactured with a flaw (AMD) is an engineering failure. Intentionally gimping a GPU while charging a significant premium still (NVIDIA) is greedy, lovely capitalism 101 in this Fail Nation.
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i compiled nvidia's UE5 branch to tinker with RTXDI and the sample neatly demonstrates the breaking point of raster methods, you can spawn a variable number of shadow casting lights and up to 10 or so the default unreal lighting is faster but beyond that it starts to crumble with 100 shadow casting lights it runs at 70fps with RTXDI on and 14fps with it off 
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Apr 13, 2023 18:32
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Truga posted:
And somehow that's still the best deal in the Ampere lineup
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Apr 13, 2023 19:07
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People thought the 2070's price/perf sucked too
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Apr 13, 2023 20:00
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Ye I remember thinking turing was a wet fart at the time. You can't follow up the 1080ti with... that
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Apr 13, 2023 20:25
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It's gonna be tough to follow up with the 4090.
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FuturePastNow posted:People thought the 2070's price/perf sucked too should probably just have bought the used 1080ti kliras fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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FuturePastNow posted:People thought the 2070's price/perf sucked too It did, and prices collapsed into the summer of 2019. I still have the old newegg emails for $400 MSI and Zotac 2070's in like june '19.
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Cygni posted:the names don't mean anything, they are just a tool to upsell people generation over generation. I have a feeling no one at all is buying the 4080 right now though.
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Inept posted:I have a feeling no one at all is buying the 4080 right now though. Yeah regardless of name, the price/performance is in a weird no mans land.
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Apr 13, 2023 21:45
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I'd like to see that same gen-on-gen with the XX80s vs the earlier XX90s. Replace the 90 with 80ti if necessary.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I'd like to see that same gen-on-gen with the XX80s vs the earlier XX90s. Replace the 90 with 80ti if necessary. Really XX90 only exists for the 3000s and 4000s, so mostly it's the 80tis, but using TPU's GPU stats: 780ti ($699) -> 980 ($549): +11% 980ti ($649) -> 1080 ($599) : +31% 1080ti ($699) -> 2080 ($699) : +9% 2080ti ($999) -> 3080 ($699) : +39% 3080ti ($1199) -> 4080 ($1199) : +33% 3090 ($1499) -> 4080 ($1199): +30%
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power crystals posted:Really XX90 only exists for the 3000s and 4000s, so mostly it's the 80tis, but using TPU's GPU stats: This shows just how amazing of an upgrade the 3080 was!
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Inept posted:I have a feeling no one at all is buying the 4080 right now though. I bought one because I needed a card desperately and 4090s were unavailable.
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Presumably if the 4070 Ti, 4080, and 7900XT aren’t selling well, Nvidia and AMD will learn that people don’t have an appetite for video cards above $600. Instead, their takeaway will be that the 5070 should be $700 and the 5080 should be $1000.
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AARP LARPer posted:I bought one because I needed a card desperately and 4090s were unavailable. Ouch, 4090s are pretty easily available now
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Watching the FFXIV content today and all I can think is that I wish it were path-traced. I have succumbed.
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Subjunctive posted:Watching the FFXIV content today and all I can think is that I wish it were path-traced. I have succumbed. Nvidia giving digital foundry sweetheart deals because they get everyone amped up to see all the differences and now you can't avoid seeing them
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speaking of pathtracing, someone's already figured out how to dial back the RTXDI settings in cyberpunk to make it more amenable to weaker cards https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/8059
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reducing bounces to 1 ... not sure I would be willing to sacrifice that. Though I would not mind if he made a version that just used far raytraced reduction it also does.
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Lockback posted:While the chart is true, the 3080 was generally better in the stack then most of the xx80s which generally weren't very good value. So that is going to look bad because the 3080 was a very good GPU. The 3080 was insane value _if_ you could get one. It launched basically right at the beginning of the pandemic induced GPU shortage. You basically had to set up bots or sit in discords waiting for stock drops at 4 in the morning and hope you could get through checkout before the website crashed or get shanked in the parking lot of a best buy. It almost feels wrong to include it because I don't think it ever hit widespread availability - they stopped making it and launched the 12gb and ti versions which iirc were way worse value.
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companies also immediately stopped manufacturing the standard non-oc versions etc of the 3080 to increase margins
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kliras posted:companies also immediately stopped manufacturing the standard non-oc versions etc of the 3080 to increase margins The (almost) "MSRP" version of partner cards are always made last and released after launch and only if the channel is full of the fancier ones. I suspect some SKUs that were announced were never actually built.
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hobbesmaster posted:The (almost) "MSRP" version of partner cards are always made last and released after launch and only if the channel is full of the fancier ones. I suspect some SKUs that were announced were never actually built.
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*pours one out for the evga step-up program*
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kliras posted:companies also immediately stopped manufacturing the standard non-oc versions etc of the 3080 to increase margins Even the factory oc ones would be snatched up immediately and relisted on ebay at like a 2x markup. The 700-900 dollar 3080 basically didn't exist unless you hit the lottery (albeit kind of a lame one.)
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It's me, the person who landed a $750 XC3 3080 thanks to somebody ordering one at Microcenter and never picking it up.
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